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Clockwork Angel/Infernal Devices

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I thought we should have a thread for discussion of Clockwork Angel/Infernal Devices; theories, thoughts, etc.

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**Spoiler Alert for Clockwork Angel**
Okay, well, not so much a ‘theory’ as just a general thought.
We all know when Will thinks Tessa is dead, he lets down all his walls. But, when she says his name and he realizes she’s alive, he thinks, “I’ve lost everything.”
Now, this is one part Cassandra Clare has said helps explain why Will does what he does in the roof scene.
I think he was thinking, “I’ve lost everything (and I can’t lose her, too)”. There is also a part on page 225 when Will and Tessa are discussing A Tale of Two Cities, and Will says, “He loved her enough to know she was better off without him.”
I think Will does love Tessa, but his secret is keeping him from getting truly close to her. When he thought she was dead, and he could no longer ‘lose’ her, he could be himself. When he realized she was still alive, he had to quickly pull back his façade and keep her at a distance. He loves her enough to know she shouldn’t be with him, so he pushes her away.

message 3: by Emmaworsham (new)

Emmaworsham | 3 comments I had a theory. I was thinking about his going to Magnus Bane at the end of the book. Everyone seems to think that he's going to him to get a cure for Jem but I was thinking about Clary and how she had her memory wiped. What if Will had the same thing happen to him to some extent and know he needs to know what his memories mean. It has flaws but I thought I might as well put it out there.

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Emma (zeeberg) Well duh, to the Will/Tessa thing. I think it's pretty obvious that he loves her, even if he's a complete arse. Why he pushes her away, now that's another matter intirely.
Maybe it's simple. Maybe he dosen't want to get hurt by loosing someone he loves. But, knowing Cassandras books, it's probably not simple at all!
As for the thing about Will going to Magnus, I thought that, maybe, he went there to get, I dunno, a cure against love, if that's possible? 'Cause he dosen't want to feel the way he does about Tessa. Or maybe it's for Jem, who knows?

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Will said he only went to Magnus because he was literally the only person who could help him. If he was looking for a cure for love, I would think other warlocks might be able to help him. *shrugs*

message 6: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) Yeah, I know. I'm just tossing around theories. Btw, about the Simon-being-evil thing; If you read the description for CoLS you'll see that it says that the shadowhunters have been betrayed by one of their own. So it can't be Simon, right?

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I wouldn't think Simon would necessarily count as "one of their own", as long as "one of their own" means "Shadow Hunter". It could just mean a member of their group-in which case Simon would be one of them.

message 8: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) Yeah, but not really though? It's pretty clear, I think, that the Bad Guy is a shadowhunter. Possibly an ol Circle member. Hey, who knows? Maybe it's Maryse or whats-his-face lightwood. But I don't think so.

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While I've found it's never safe to assume much in Cassandra Clare's books, I agree with you. I just don't see Simon as the villain.

message 10: by Amber Bambi (new)

Amber Bambi  Jenipe (theindiebambi) | 5 comments I think at the end he's going to Magnus to see if he can make Tessa fertile somehow.

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That seems to be a popular theory, and if Will assumes she's a warlock (which he seems to), it would make sense that he would believe Magnus (also a warlock) would be the person to talk to about it.

message 12: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) @ Candace: Exactly. He's just not the villian sort of guy. I don't think it's Jace, Clary, jocelyn or Luke either. I think it's someone we've met, but not someone we know well.

@ Amber: Yeah, I've heard people say that a lot. It's a little weak though, I think. 'Cause why would he need her to be able to have kids? She dosen't even have a boy really. And wouldn't Magnus have used it on himself, if he was able to do that kind of magic? And, also, it wouldn't really be an "internal struggle" for Will. But tha's just my oppinion.

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I stick by my original theory about the villain for the second cycle. I think it's someone we've met who has the same power Tess has, and is taking on the form of Jace. Seriously, read the sneak peek chapter in the U.S. paperback edition of City of Glass. There's something off about Jace in that chapter.

message 14: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) Hmm. Yeah, I''m in Europe, so I cant get that new paperback so easily..

message 15: by Amber Bambi (new)

Amber Bambi  Jenipe (theindiebambi) | 5 comments Yeah I guess, Emma.
But I can't see any other theories working. 'Cause they'd tried to Jem thing already.

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I wish it wasn't an embargoed book, so they could post the chapter online.

message 17: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) I agree. It's so not fair that her oldest fans, are the ones who have to actually wait for the frikken book to get the 1. chapter. Or buy it again. UNFAIRNESS!
*Goes into a rage*

message 18: by Athena (new)

Athena (athena01) Candace wrote: "I stick by my original theory about the villain for the second cycle. I think it's someone we've met who has the same power Tess has, and is taking on the form of Jace. Seriously, read the sneak ..."

There was definitely something off...

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At least I'm not alone in that. Oh, and **SPOILER** how Clary described his hair and eyes being slightly different than she remembered. And...I honestly think Jace would have told her about the body, regardless of its effect on the 'romantic' parts of the evening.
But that's just me...

message 20: by Athena (new)

Athena (athena01) Yep, Jace is being fishy.

message 21: by Abbie (new)

Abbie Lamborne | 2 comments ***spoiler***

Do you think when Will and Tessa kissed, and she tasted blood is important? Will was trying to get rid of the vampire blood at the time. Just thought it was interesting.

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Oh, Will, you make me want to marry you.

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@ Abbie I hadn't thought about that, but that's interesting. I think I was more focused on why he would have pushed her away after making the first move :P. He's a very different character than any I've ever read (though I can see a few similarities to Jace--not many, but few). I get the feeling once we know what his secret is, everything will be like, "Oh. My. God." And it will just all fall into place. That's what I love about Clare's books. She plots the entire series so heavily before she writes that there is usually a reason behind everything that happens.

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@ Alice
Well, right now, Will makes me want to smack him :P, but I'm sure I will come around once I learn more about him. I’m intrigued by how hurt he seemed to be in the roof scene, but it still shocked me that he could be so incredibly cruel.
Since CP is so far away, my plan is to *slowly* reread CA and try to catch things I missed the first time I furiously read through it (in one sitting). I know I must have missed some really important things . . . but I couldn't slow down :P.

message 25: by Athena (new)

Athena (athena01) To Abbie: i never thought about it that way but i think it was more to describing the scene then the actual blood.

To Alice: I have to agree with Candace. I want to smack will.

message 26: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) I love Will ;D He's so... lost <3

message 27: by [deleted user] (new)

I think I will grow to love Will, when I finally learn what makes him tick. Though, I have to say, I can't see him (at this point) being any sweeter than Jem has been. But I guess only time will tell. :)

message 28: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) Yeah, but then again. How much fun is Sweet? I mean, of course a guy should be sweet! But... Jem is too sweet. Will is not sweet enough though. My love still lies with Jace ;)

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I agree. Jace was a great balance between smartass jerk and romantic hearthrob.

message 30: by [deleted user] (new)

If he had something terrible he wanted to forget, maybe he would. I hadn't thought about the memory erasing thing.

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I think we're in for a terrible love triangle. By 'terrible', I mean one where it's nearly impossible to choose a side :). I mean, if Will is only mean as hell because of his secret, I wonder how passionate and kind he could be without it. For that matter, Jem had my heart from the line where he says, "I promise you, the right man won't care." I just loved that line :). Actually, he had my heart long before then, but that line stuck out to me. But, I like sweet guys. Bad boys are hot, but sweet boys get my heart :).

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I'm going to refrain from choosing a team at this point. I do like Jem better than Will right now, but I'm reluctant to jump on Team Jem until I learn a little more about Will.
In one of the discussion boards (or I might have read it on Twitter) Clare said Tessa will know, by the end of Clockwork Prince, how both boys feel about her. Also, I think she said we'd know what Will's secret is by the end of Clockwork Prince.

message 33: by Athena (new)

Athena (athena01) Why must we wait?!?!?! *pouts*


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I know, right? The waiting is the worst, but it does make it that much better when the book finally comes out and you've had a chance to really discuss your theories.

That's not to say I wouldn't tear into a copy of Clockwork Prince if I found one on my doorstep :P.

message 35: by Athena (new)

Athena (athena01) It would be easier if i actually had my copy of CA. But nooooo my friend is taking forever to read it!

One of my friend's theory is that Will can't fall in love. Just putting it out there.

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I actually have this long, convoluted theory involving a Pyxis and Cicely and Will's real parents. I think Will and Cicely opened a Pyxis (since you need two people to open it), and afterwards, something happened to Cicely (whether she died or was possessed by a demon or something). I think Cicely was Will's sister or female relative of sorts. And the reason I don't think it was Will's parents who came to the Institute is because of how he acted, hiding under his bed with his hands over his ears like he was freakin' terrified.
Oh, and just to put it out there, I wonder if Will had contact with demon energies if he did open the aforementioned imaginary Pyxis. That might explain some of the things that are plaguing him.

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Oh, and Will kept saying, "I've lost everything." He emphasizes 'everything', which sort of supports my 'it wasn't his parents who came to the Institute' theory. Because if your parents had been killed, wouldn't you be freakin' terrified if someone showed up pretending to be them?

message 38: by Lindsey (new)

Lindsey (ileftmyheartinforks) I just finished Clockwork Angel yesterday, and i loved it. I, of course, had read M.I. prior to this and was so excited to see she had written more!.

My theory-
Obviously will has some kind of secret as to why he left his parents, and something about a box? right. didnt he say there was a box and screaming. something like that. I just think like everyone else he has put up these walls as too not get hurt or hurt anyone else.
Now Tessa on the other hand, i was under the impression that tess wasnt all warlock. some kind of half warlock half something else. demon, human. who knows. Thats why i think maybe they threw the infertile thing in there. For some reason i just feel when its all said and done that wont be the case. They havent OFFICALLY found out if she is truly a warlock..Magnus said it but..we dont know for sure. shes something.
I think Will went to Magnus for help sorting through his thoughts, like Clary. to remeber..to forget. im not sure...OR i think he went to Magnus to get answers about Tessa and how he was sure she was a warlock.

But Candace, you make very good points! i never considered those things

message 39: by Emma (new)

Emma (zeeberg) @ Candace. Yes, I thought that too. That maybe his parents had either been possesed, or they'd simply died, and someone sle was pretending to be them, like demons for instance. I also think that Cecily is/was his sister.

Everybody is ranting on about how much Will is like Jace, but I really, really disagree! Sure, they're not completly unlike each other, but neither are, say, Tessa and Clary. Will and Jace are both hot and Herondales. And also sarcastic. But, as Cassandra says, their whole existence are builed up around different things! And where Jace is happy to persue his relationship with Clary, Will pushes Tessa away. While Jace can be saracstic, he is never cruel. He is simply honest, and the truth hurts. Will, on the other hand, is very, very cruel and almost never honest.

I love both Jem and Will. I think Tessa'll be split between them, but I do hope she chooses Will in the end. No offense to Jem, whom I love just as much, but I seriously think Will and Tessa need each other. They need the discussions. Jem is always so sweet, and while that is great, I, personally, would freak in the end - If someone always agreed with me, or generally was nice to me ALL THE TIME! A girl needs resistance, don't ya' think?

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Heather (peechmuffn) | 1 comments Not going to lie, I would love it if Tessa chose Jem... He's sweet and not pushy and really respectful of her and her reputation, which was key in the time in which the book is set. But remember the scene in the sanctuary where Camille hands the necklace to Clary (by way of Jem) and she sees the latin inscription and looks at Will as Will looks at her? I'm a dork and I found a translator and it means, "True love never dies" so I'm thinking she's going to choose Will.

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I think a little resistance can make things interesting, but there would have to be a happy balance. I’ve heard it said many times that if you don’t fight, you don’t have passion. While I agree that some of the more passionate scenes I’ve read have evolved from fighting/tension, sometimes the sweet moments are even better (in their own way).
But, then again, I’m the kind of person who gets nervous when people fight. I tend to avoid confrontation whenever possible.
I’m remaining on the fence as to the whole Team Jem/Team Will thing. At least for now. When we learn more about both boys, I’ll be able to make an educated decision. For now, I just appreciate that both characters have secrets and complex histories; each of which will bring about an amazing story, and heart-wrenching triangle.

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Yep, that quote made me smile. If I were Tessa, I'd probably have blushed bright red.

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"Never trust a duck."

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This is off topic, but I love your profile pic.

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I love that one. And it's so indicative of his personality. Will was a lot funnier than I was expecting.

message 46: by Madeline (new)

Madeline omg i love that duck quote. its the best one. i texted to all my friends and confused all of them. it was great =)

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Yeah, it's such a random quote. If I'd read somewhere that, "Never trust a duck", would be in Clockwork Angel, I would never have believed it.

message 48: by Madeline (new)

Madeline idk i might have. so many random things come from those books. like my favorite: "i always thought it was good things come to those who do the wave. no wonder i've been confused all my life"

message 49: by [deleted user] (new)

True, true. These books do have random conversations in them. The discussion about cannibalistic ducks made me laugh.

message 50: by Athena (new)

Athena (athena01) i love all the quotes! personally i think when Tessa is talking to Will about the books and then will just goes completely off topic is one of the best.

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