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message 1: by stormhawk (new)

stormhawk I hate these things. Unfortunately I seem to keep forgetting I hate these things, or to be kinder to myself, fail to recognize that there will be a romance aspect to what may have seemed a perfectly good horror plot.

STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID

Heck, I didn't even realize it was a genre until I noticed there were so darn many of them. Ethical Vampires and Cuddly Werewolves? Cunning, but vaguely wacky witches?

I need to just draw a personal line in the sand and not allow myself to cross over it, even accidentally.


message 2: by Emily (new)

Emily  O (readingwhilefemale) | 76 comments I swear, if I come across one more book review blog that only reviews paranormal romance and urban fantasy YA books, I'm going to barf, especially if the blogger is older than me!


message 3: by Laura (last edited Jan 01, 2011 11:31AM) (new)

Laura (Avid7Reader) | 60 comments My mom teaches middle school and has literally over a thousand books, and when we sorted them by genre, we had enough to make an actual "Vampire Fiction" section. I couldn't believe that; it's ridiculous.


message 4: by Randi (new)

Randi (The Artist Formerly known as Guitar Chick) (guitarchick) | 79 comments As a young adult, I can't understand this sudden paranormal romance obssession. It really doesn't make sense to me. What's the differance between making out with a vampire and making out with a werewolf/faery/wizard/merman ect. ect. ect.
What happened to good 'ole highschool sweethearts that didn't suck blood?
I'm younger tham most twi-hards, and I don't get it. I really don't.


message 5: by Laura (last edited Nov 10, 2010 05:06PM) (new)

Laura (Avid7Reader) | 60 comments Guitar Chick-Dolly Dagger wrote: "As a young adult, I can't understand this sudden paranormal romance obssession. It really doesn't make sense to me. What's the differance between making out with a vampire and making out with a wer..."

Twilight did it. I think the thing that sucks most people in is the fact that if you make a male lead "supernatural" in any way, you can make him "perfect." Reading is an escape, so for many, as it is the only place you can find perfection, perfection is what they want in a book. If that made any sense.
Quite frankly, I like paranormal. But the new paranormal romances that were cranked out in hours rather than months or years and have no substance, those are just crap.
And Guitar Chick-Dolly Dagger, it's good to know I'm not the only young adult not completely brainwashed into loving this stuff. :)


message 6: by Cobalt_Cin (last edited Sep 29, 2010 01:17AM) (new)

Cobalt_Cin | 23 comments I must admit this is an interesting topic. The market is currently saturated with paranormal romance and urban fantasy. Some urban fantasy like Jim Butcher's Harry Dresden series are actually acceptable reads to me. I like his character, his books are easy reads and I know what I'll get from his him.

Paranormal romances started I believe with Laurel Hamilton's Anita Blake series. I remember when Guilty Pleasures her first book first came out. She claims, with all a high amout of angsty drama, that she started off this PR and UF genres with her books. As much as I dislike her and her books, she did manage to push PR and UF into the mainstream eye.

We also have Anne Rice and possibly Buffy that started the ball rolling for PR and Twilight as well, althought they are slightly different, they still include similair themes. Twilight has merely added fuel to the slow burning fire that spawned the masses of PR coming out.


message 7: by Vanessa (new)

Vanessa | 84 comments I loved Buffy back in its time (and I still will watch the reruns sometimes on Logo) and at first I liked the urban fantasy trend. Early Laurell K. Hamilton, Charlaine Harris, Kim Harrison, Jim Butcher. It was a quirky little subsection of the market that I dipped into feeling only slightly guilty. Then suddenly my fluffy guilty pleasure reads were EVERYWHERE. There were freaking Harlequin novels about women in love with vampires and werewolves with titles like "Blood's Eternal Oath." Overnight there was a whole industry of YA novels about young supernaturals in love. Really annoying love. Suddenly I was sick of all things vamp and witch and were-whatever and I just wanted to go back to the good old days when they just wanted to eat people. Times were good then.


message 8: by Randi (new)

Randi (The Artist Formerly known as Guitar Chick) (guitarchick) | 79 comments I know right? In all the vampire novels I've recently read, none of them have eaten anyone.


message 9: by Leigh (new)

Leigh (leighb) Agreed. Vampires are supposed to be evil and bloodthirsty. Werewolves are vicious shapeshifters. Bring back the old fashioned horror, please..leave the romance outta it.


message 10: by Randi (new)

Randi (The Artist Formerly known as Guitar Chick) (guitarchick) | 79 comments That'd be extrememly nice and a miracle.


message 11: by stormhawk (new)

stormhawk I am very much looking forward to reading Harvard Lampoon's take on Twilight, Nightlight: A Parody.


message 12: by Laura (new)

Laura (Avid7Reader) | 60 comments stormhawk wrote: "I am very much looking forward to reading Harvard Lampoon's take on Twilight, Nightlight: A Parody."

That book was so incredibly stupid it made me laugh out loud. Several times. I thought it definitely worth my time, though my friend was not as impressed.


message 13: by stormhawk (new)

stormhawk I liked Bored of the Rings, which I read in the 70s. I'm hoping that the quality remains although the writing team has changed.


message 14: by Randi (new)

Randi (The Artist Formerly known as Guitar Chick) (guitarchick) | 79 comments Guitar Chick-Dolly Dagger wrote: "That'd be extrememly nice and a miracle."

I LOVED Nightlight for all it's stupidity. There are a few other parodies, namely New Moan and Twilite.


message 15: by Julie (new)

Julie | 5 comments I don't like Fallen!!!


message 16: by Francina (new)

Francina Simone (francinasimone) Laura wrote: "My mom teaches middle school and has literally over a thousand books, and when we sorted them by genre, we had enough to make an actual "Vampire Fiction" section. I couldn't believe that, it's ridi..."
At least their reading... even if it is about sucking face vampires *rolls eyes* I'm trying not to be judge mental... but some books give fantasy a bad name...


message 17: by Francina (new)

Francina Simone (francinasimone) Emily wrote: "I swear, if I come across one more book review blog that only reviews paranormal romance and urban fantasy YA books, I'm going to barf, especially if the blogger is older than me!"

I understand you completely! What happened to the good old fantasy? Sci/Fi? I don't mind all the new paranormal elements... but honestly, you have to dig around in the YA section for a fantasy book with adventure and mystery, I like romance, but I hate reading about it in every single book, on every single page!


message 18: by Laura (new)

Laura (Avid7Reader) | 60 comments Brittany wrote: "Emily wrote: "I swear, if I come across one more book review blog that only reviews paranormal romance and urban fantasy YA books, I'm going to barf, especially if the blogger is older than me!"

..."


Totally agree!!


message 19: by Heather (new)

Heather (junebug2285) I used to follow a couple of series with vampires but as more and more came out I just gave up. The market is so saturated that I am pining for something new and fresh a new time period even.

Anyway, some of those books can be interesting its just getting through all of the crap to find the true gems.


message 20: by Helena (new)

Helena Heather wrote: "I used to follow a couple of series with vampires but as more and more came out I just gave up. The market is so saturated that I am pining for something new and fresh a new time period even.

Any..."


Try these:
Dracula, The Historian, and Let the Right One In
Vampire books with...gasp! Vampires acting like vampires. Fair warning: they're not YA.


message 21: by [deleted user] (new)

I have been burned out on vampires for quite a while... long before Twilight was aborted.


message 22: by Heather (new)

Heather (junebug2285) Helena wrote: Try these:
Dracula, The Historian, and Let the Right One In
Vampire books with...gasp! Vampires acting like vampires. Fair warning: they're not YA. "


I have been thinking about Dracula. A friend and I are reading classics this year just and I might suggest that one for October.


message 23: by Vanessa (new)

Vanessa | 84 comments I got sucked into that trend (no pun intended) for a while. It was my go to light read. But then it caught on and the market became saturated and a parody of itself. There are whole Harlequin series about vampires now. I like Charlaine Harris and, to a lesser extent, Kim Harrison. I did like Laurell K. Hamilton for a time but her series devolved into really creepy porn and her prose skills were never her strong point. I am just on severe supernatural overload and I can't imagine when I'd want to read any of it again. I always feel too that this is clearly reading time that could be better spent.

(I do still like Richelle Mead's Succubus series although I realize how ridiculous what I just typed sounds.)

Still love Buffy though and I like True Blood.

I saw the original Swedish version of Let the Right One In and I'd like to read the book. Ditto The Historian.


message 24: by Helena (new)

Helena Vanessa wrote: "I got sucked into that trend (no pun intended) for a while. It was my go to light read. But then it caught on and the market became saturated and a parody of itself. There are whole Harlequin serie..."

I found the Charlaine Harris Sookie Stackhouse books fun, and a nice light read... ‘popcorn for smart people’ is how I’ve heard them described ;-). They’re not great- but they are fun.

I had read the Sookie series and a librarian recommended the Anita Blake series... I read the first three and they were ok, ugh but then they were out of control vampire porn! Those books need a warning! I didn’t know what to say when the librarian asked how I liked them (I swear she winked).

Let the Right One In was great, I liked The Historian very much too, but it was more well, historical.

@ Heather- Dracula is one of my all time favourites. So creepy, The Original Vampire. My friends found it quite dry though... but if you like classics you might like it.


message 25: by Stuart (new)

Stuart (asfus) | 20 comments Helena wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "I got sucked into that trend (no pun intended) for a while. It was my go to light read. But then it caught on and the market became saturated and a parody of itself. There are whole..."

I second the idea of reading Dracula, as without it there might have been any Sookie.


message 26: by Vanessa (new)

Vanessa | 84 comments I've read Dracula actually. I admire the enduring artistic legacy Stoker created but the book had too much Victorian priggishness for me. I complain about porn in one post and prudery in another. I'm impossible to please!

Helena-EEK! I know, the Anita books took a really bizarre turn. Besides the badly written icky porn gobbling up the plot, the notion of every supernatural...thing in the world needing to shag Anita desperately just felt like the worst kind of egotistical intrusion on the author's part.


message 27: by Helena (new)

Helena Vanessa wrote: "I've read Dracula actually. I admire the enduring artistic legacy Stoker created but the book had too much Victorian priggishness for me. I complain about porn in one post and prudery in another. I..."

EEK! is right, Vanessa completely bizarre turn. The whole ‘ardeur’ thing was ridiculous- I recall laughing out loud, at first. Later I recall gagging a little just before I completely gave up on them. I hope they never make a movie. :D


message 28: by Vanessa (new)

Vanessa | 84 comments Actually, Helena I read a while back they were trying to develop the books into a series for IFC, which I thought could have been good with some obvious changes. Evidently the author objected to changing anything though and pulled the plug on the deal.

So, fear not :)


message 29: by Helena (new)

Helena Vanessa wrote: "Actually, Helena I read a while back they were trying to develop the books into a series for IFC, which I thought could have been good with some obvious changes. Evidently the author objected to ch..."

Whew! You are right, it might not be a terrible show (edited for viewing on tv, obviously)... but I can’t say I’m disappointed!


message 30: by Maria (new)

Maria Elmvang (kiwiria) | 72 comments Dracula is fantastic, and I definitely second that recommendation.

On the other hand, I loathed both "The Historian" and any vampire books by Anne Rice.


message 31: by Vanessa (new)

Vanessa | 84 comments Awww, I like the Charlaine Harris books (although they are getting old now.) I was raised in the South though so I think I just get how she's expressing herself. I also like her commentary on how others perceive the working class poor.

Some things I like better on HBO, some better in the books. I can't stand the Tara character. I loved the story arc last season though with the King of Mississippi.


message 32: by Helena (new)

Helena Vanessa wrote: "Awww, I like the Charlaine Harris books (although they are getting old now.) I was raised in the South though so I think I just get how she's expressing herself. I also like her commentary on how o..."

I like the books and the show... I certainly don't think that the books are great literature by any stretch of the imagination, come on now- it's paranormal romance- obviously meant as fun. I read them purely for entertainment. Part of Sookie's charm is her obvious lack of fashion sense. And what's wrong with slacks? I'm wearing slacks right now. (wink)


message 33: by Helena (new)

Helena Anna wrote: "Helena wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "Awww, I like the Charlaine Harris books (although they are getting old now.) I was raised in the South though so I think I just get how she's expressing herself. I al..."

We'll have to agree to disagree on the subject of Miss Stackhouse and the appeal of her terrible fashion sense. I agree that the series is not terribly well written, and I'll also agree that a diservice has been done to vampires everywhere. I was only kidding, about the slacks, cheers :D


message 34: by John (new)

John | 20 comments Vanessa wrote: "I've read Dracula actually. I admire the enduring artistic legacy Stoker created but the book had too much Victorian priggishness for me. I complain about porn in one post and prudery in another. I..."

Everyone should read Dracula at least once. I do suggest reading "The Annotated Dracula" or "The Essential Dracula" both versions edited by Leonard Wolf. The footnotes really helped me to enjoy what was essentially a dryly written work -- and made me realize how unintentionally funny Stoker's book really is: For example, if all the vampire hunters had only thought to listen to Mina, they wouldn't have spent so many pages trying to figure out where Dracula was.


message 35: by Vanessa (new)

Vanessa | 84 comments John, I did hear a story on PRI about the work done on the annotated version and it did make me interested in reading that, if only for the footnotes. I did love the trippy Ken Russell flick Lair of the White Worm which is loosely based on one of Stoker's later (or maybe final) work.

Helena, Anna-maybe Charlaine Harris isn't the best writer although I only occasionally notice it. It's kind of heartening that I like her in that case. It sands the edges off of my literary snobbery :)


message 36: by Helena (new)

Helena Vanessa wrote: "John, I did hear a story on PRI about the work done on the annotated version and it did make me interested in reading that, if only for the footnotes. I did love the trippy Ken Russell flick Lair o..."


I agree wholeheartedly, Vanessa, on the subject of Charlaine Harris. I’m certain that Ms. Harris could write a cracker of a book- if she chose- but I think that would detract from the stories. They wouldn’t feel as fun at all.


message 37: by [deleted user] (new)

I always loved stuff by anne rice...Charlaine Harris is ok...she keeps me reading...the gag inducing romance gets outweighed by the plot. I like her plots. And she DOES write well. Her Fearful Symmetry by Audrey Neifenegger (the Time Traveler's Wife lady) is well worth reading, too. Also,as long as this isn't "books only," Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust (and just Vampire Hunter D for that matter) does the whole vampire-human-relation subject pretty well, imo...


message 38: by Randi (new)

Randi (The Artist Formerly known as Guitar Chick) (guitarchick) | 79 comments Alright, prepare yourselves, we have a new wave of creatures in the YA Romance saga:
Merpeople
At least 6 books involving young girls and boys falling in love with their fishy soulmates will be released this year. I made this chart of the dark times for historians to collect later.
1. Vampires (2008-)
2. Werewolves(2009-)

3. Angels (2009-2010)
4. Zombies/zombie hunters (Present)
5. Demons/Demon Hunters (Present
6 Merpeople (future, upcoming)


message 39: by [deleted user] (new)

Guitar Chick-Dolly Dagger wrote: "Alright, prepare yourselves, we have a new wave of creatures in the YA Romance saga:
Merpeople
At least 6 books involving young girls and boys falling in love with their fishy soulmates will be r..."


LOL. The end of good written books in our ending western civilization indeed. Horror of horrors!


message 40: by Melissa (new)

Melissa I read a few of the authors, not Twilight, I enjoy them but I've been reading the ones that I read for a long time and I don't plan on stopping now because there are so many of them now. I also enjoy a good horror vampire as well, just depends on the story.


message 41: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (bonfiggi) I don't care at all to read the Twilight series, but my grandsons and I watched "Dead And Loving It" recently, and laughed a lot. Even my son, the dignified judge, was laughing.


message 42: by [deleted user] (new)

Guitar Chick wrote: "As a young adult, I can't understand this sudden paranormal romance obssession. It really doesn't make sense to me. What's the differance between making out with a vampire and making out with a wer..."

They are boring. I guess you like old Happy times reruns? My husband does too.


message 43: by Chris (new)

Chris Ward (chriswardfictionwriter) | 23 comments I hate Paranormal Romance. I was led to believe that vampires were outdated and overused, but suddenly its "cool" if they look like people from Pop Idol. I got forced to sit through Twilight with the wife once and it was just painful. I hope I never get forced to read any of the books, or any of the billions of spin-offs.

Actually, a good book featuring (gay) vampires is Drawing Blood by Poppy Z. Brite. A very, very fine writer. Her first three books (written in the 1990s) are excellent.

Chris Ward


message 44: by Esther (new)

Esther (eshchory) Paranormal romance has become my bug bear this year as I have realised that I have a lot of it on my shelves but I don't like it much.
This wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't just a little compulsive about books in that I have to at least try to read them before I give them away.
I actually love Buffy and Sookie Stackhouse and I even quite like Twilight but the popularity of these series has led to an awful lot of copy cats.
I am sick to death of well-muscled, sexy but honourable heroes and all those virgins playing hard to get. Most of the sex scenes are basically soft porn and the story line is one cliche after another.


aPriL does feral sometimes  (cheshirescratch) I've been reading a number of group club reads with young women on the cover, usually heads turned sideways looking back with blood trickling somewhere off a back or a knife or a flowers dripping blood. Many of them turn out to be Book one of some Huntress series. There are now MANY Huntress series's! Some of them are good, some of them are like three or so classic PR series mashed up and are so derivative they are dull. A few have all of the above problems plus they are written very badly - at least the first few novels in the series. Needless to say, I didn't feel like continuing to see if they improved.

I truly hated the Jill Kismet #1, Night Shift. I'm sure it must get better, but as I gagged on the first one, life is too short and my book stack too high.Night Shift

I don't hate Huntress series per se, I simply don't like poorly written or overly similar to another previous series. I liked First Drop of Crimson and First Grave on the Right. I hated the Morganville Vampires (I know, it's beloved). I didn't care for Charlaine Harris books, but the TV series is better. I also wonder what happened to the Anita series, loved the original Dracula...

For me the key issue is if I enjoy the writing - character is second because there doesn't seem to be original characters anymore. The last ten years PN heroines seem to be all Buffy clones, whether its a Teen, YA or adult read.

Does anyone know how many Huntress series there are now?


message 46: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 78 comments Go back in time, read the books that hit the shelf before there ever was a sub-genre known as PNR. Personally, I like my friendly vampires just fine, but I'm not a big fan of the current crop of books and I've taken to avoiding any cover with a picture of a woman or written by women in general, unless I trust those writers.

Trusted writers:
P.N. Elrod
Tanya Huff


aPriL does feral sometimes  (cheshirescratch) Ooh, two great authors. Almost sacrilege to have them mentioned in this company on this thread.


message 48: by Tash (new)

Tash Dahling (misstash) | 20 comments Love love Anne Rice for her vamps and Mayfair Witches.
Despise with a absolute passion that whole Anita Blake series. I tried to read one and I swear to god the first third was about who had slept with whom or who wanted to sleep with who. So highschool drama. ::yawn:: I rarely give up on books, but I could not stomach this drivel. And I read Twilight!! Blerk!


message 49: by Tess (new)

Tess I think I am fed up with paranormal because I love traditional high fantasy, witches and elves and quests. Now anything written with magic is paranormal, and the only Elves are actually Fey, who are super hot and evil and are trying to take over the world - thank you Karen Marie Moning. Not.
I do enjoy the Love at Stake vampire romance series byKerrelyn Sparks, but only because I think her vampire world is pretty interesting. I wish she'd stop throwing in romance which gets boring at book 12


message 50: by Miira (new)

Miira I love Urban Fantasy, but they're so hard to sort out from paranormal romance and both sub genres are littered with YA. I am so over the "teen, plus some friends, discovers self and bravely saves the day" plots (also highly popular in fantasy). My main gripe about PR is the romance tends to overshadow some really interesting plots and world building(if these exist in the story).


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