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JonBenet Ramsey's parents cleared of murder
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I'm glad this has happened and that her parents have been cleared of her murder.In away it reminds me of Gerry and Kate McCann, until Maddie is found or new evidence is found, they will always be treated with suspicion and all because they left the children on their own the night Maddie disappeared.
Oh so true, Hayley! I too am reminded of the McCanns. Lots of similarities. There was definitely fishy stuff there too - what with leaving such young children alone? Drugging them? From where they were, they couldn't even see their apartment. But immediately the media cried they were guilty based just on that. The Portuguese police were no help, so many clues gone cold while they were blaming the parents.
I know but its like you said, there was too much evidence against the parents in terms of leaving them alone and drugging them, I mean my parents would never have dreamed of doing such a thing, I mean I'm 24 and if I don't come home after a night out, even if I'm just staying at a friends, she'd on the phone first thing to find out where I am.The same thing happened to the Ramesey's to much evidence pointed at them, which meant that no one else was being looked for. That poor girl will never have justice for what happened to her adn all because circumstansial evidence pointed the finger of suspicion at her parents. its so sad.
I truly feel sorry for the Ramsey family. They couldn’t even properly mourn because they were too busy defending themselves and fearing imprisonment. Not to mention the treatment they probably got in their community. I feel bad for the McCanns, too. Speaking as a parent, I think we all make little stupid choices occasionally that could put our children at risk in an extreme situation. I don’t think many of us take the drastic measures the McCanns did, of course. I think, and hope, that is rare. But I must admit, I have been guilty in the past of leaving my toddler in the car with the motor on, and running the fifteen feet to drop off the dvd in the slot at Blockbuster. And if things had gone differently, who knows what could have happened. Okay, now I feel kind of queasy inside – I don’t think I’m going to do that again.
Its amazing when you think about, the little things we do that seem normal but when in the context of something like the McCann's or what happened to the Ramseys, it makes you think twice. I don't have children but I know I'll think twice before I think about leaving them alone, even for just one minute.When we we're young, the house was burgled while we where out in the back garden, my mum dreads to think what would have happened if one us kids had been in the living room at the time of the robbery.
hmmmm, good point Buuny, I think you may be right there. I think that high profile cases do get more attention and therefore more questions to how the investigation is being run and whether the evidence is correct or not. I think it depends on the murder, some are pretty obvious and don't need as much sophistication to solve them, but you have obvious murders that turn out not to be so obvious at all. I think it is a very fine balance between the two.
I have a pretty strong view regarding the "way things are today". I don't think that the world is really any worse, we just hear all of these stories in the media to the point that it almost either desensitizes you, or makes you paranoid. I walked to Kindergarten on my own! You might say that 30 years ago, you could let your kids do that. Really? There was a perv in our neighborhood who got nicked for standing in his front window naked and knocking on the window when little kids walked by on their way to school. When I was 4 or 5 I remember some dude riding by on his bike stopping to talk to my sister, her friend and I while we were playing out in front of our own house. He sat down on the lawn with us and "touched" me. I told my sister, she told my dad and he took off on his motorcycle to try to find the guy and kill him, or at the very least beat him senseless. Now, when I say "touched" I mean only that, outside of clothes and all. But, when I look back on it, I was kinda lucky, you know?
I don't know a single mother that would let their Kindergartner walk to school on their own, especially 4 - 5 blocks and crossing a relatively busy road with no cross walks. And, the truth is, we are so much more aware now than we were then, we teach our children not to talk to strangers, secret passwords, to run and scream. I was just damn lucky! Many of us were!
I say, err on the side of caution. Remember that you cannot take it back later, no matter how much you wish you had. I'd rather be paranoid than sorry. But, I still don't think things are really so much worse than they used to be. I just think that the media relishes telling us all about every sordid detail of every disgusting pervert they can.
Didn't Mrs. Ramsay die a couple of years back? If that's right, this announcement came a little late.But she did kill that kid's normal childhood. A parent has to be a little sick to pile lipstick, adult type clothes and provocative poses onto a 5 year old.
MmHm, Bunny. There have been many times that I have thanked God (or fate or whatever) for PCOS!
I wonder tho, if it was indeed safer back in the 50s and 60s, you never heard about children being kidnapped while walking to school, which we all did. And I think it might have been due to the fact that more women were just hanging out, chatting with neighbors, walking about to neighborhood markets, etc. since this was before they became a big part of the work force.
That and you didn't have fifty news channels vying for your patronage, trying desperately to find the most sensational and/or horrifying story to draw you to them!
So it was all an illusion. Huh. Everyone left their kids playing on the streets, babies in carriages left outside while the moms shopped. The big post WWII mindset that the world was all rosy. It did seem safer - but what's that quote from Hamlet about seeming. Seems, madam! Nay, it is; I know not 'seems'.The first huge missing child public media blast was Ethan Patz, in Soho in 1983. Interestingly enough, he had lived in the same building as Richard, whose phone was tapped by the FBI, unknown to him at the time. And that's when he was still doing drugs! He freaked when he found out.
They never did find Ethan.
Amelia says "I don't think that the world is really any worse, we just hear all of these stories in the media to the point that it almost either desensitizes you, or makes you paranoid." Bunny adds that back before the 60s we didn't know what was going on (and now we do). I think you're both right and in some peculiar ways a bit wrong too. It's obvious that paedophiles used to be able to get clean away with crime after crime, because everyone back then people had the idea that they were creepy guys in raincoats hanging around outside schools. Now we know they're priests, scoutmasters, and, much more often, your brother or your father or your boyfriend or your son. Most of this kind of crime goes on within families. The greater knowledge of this stuff, the existence of child helplines, the schools educating kids about the nasty facts of life, this all must help to reduce the opportunities for paedophiles. But at the same time the internet has shown that kiddyporn is appallingly popular and at the same time has supplied the goods. Who would have thought so many men liked this kind of horrific stuff?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2445065...
The knowledge that there's good money to be made out of kiddyporn has I'm sure greatly increased its production in the large areas of the world where the law can be bought off, or where the law doesn't bother to look. So I think there we have contradictory tendencies.
As for JonBenet, you have to say this pageant thing was a form of child abuse - ugh - look at them all
http://www.universalroyalty.com/texas...
I do agree that because JonBenet was in pageants added an ugly touch to it all. Her picture with gobs of makeup was a strike against the parents, especially Patsy who as a former beauty pageant contestant seemed like she was using her child to live out her own dreams.I'm thinking Little Miss Sunshine now. Ugh, those girls!
One of the most disgusting elements of Western social history is the admiration accorded to "womanizers", those men with dozens - hundreds - of "conquests". Don Juan, Casanova, Frank harris, the anonymous "Walter", and in literature characters like Valmont in Les liaisons dangereuses. Because before the 1960s practically all of these encounters were either straightforwardly prostitution or just as likely rape committed by middle class men against servants. "My Secret Life" is a horrible catalogue of this kind of stuff.
Wow, Koe. It's all still very much alive in Boulder, isn't it. And I had forgotten how that joker was fed prawns and champagne on his flight to Boulder.Cases like this are fascinating because they are unsolved. It boggles the mind that a killer can get away with a murder. I still follow the Litovenko murder, stranger than fiction.
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That's kinda how I feel about it. I saw this big Dateline or 20/20 or something with a crime scene expert who said it's almost impossible for the person to have come forcibly from the outside. They had to have been invited in.
Thank goodness, is all I can say. That whole thing creeped me out so bad... I'm deeply relieved that it wasn't the family who did it. And it's good that they are publishing this news in the headlines the same way suspicions were published. It doesn't make up for the 12 years of hell that family has been through, but at least they have this now.