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Sara W (sarawesq) | 2153 comments Feel free to discuss anything about the book in this thread. If you (and others) are here, you (and they) have finished the book, so don't worry about posting spoilers. If you haven't finished the book, you may not want to read anything here yet!

Also, please let us know how you rated the book (3/5, 4 of 5, however you choose)!

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I'm a long-time fan of Jean Plaidy/Victoria Holt and she never disappoints - she's able to make the historical Queen Victoria, and her period, come alive. I thoroughly enjoyed this book. It was a pleasant surprise that Victoria comes across as a very spirited and gay individual. I did find myself disliking Albert; thought him to be quite the prig.

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Robin (ukamerican) | 188 comments I've finished the book - does anyone else reads the "questions for discussions" in the back?

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Mandy Moody | 544 comments Robin - Usually I do, but this time I did not. I just never had time and had to get the book back to the library. Were there any good ones?

Overall this was one of my favorite Plaidy's. I gave it 4 stars :)

message 5: by Robin (new)

Robin (ukamerican) | 188 comments I gave it 4 stars too! Some of the questions in the back kind of already covered what we've discussed. But I can easily copy and paste them from my Kindle, so I might as well:

1. Victoria acknowledges that she is a “woman who must be dominated by men.” Indeed, the most influential characters in her story are men, and her descriptions of them often tend toward an exaggeration of their qualities, which Victoria begins to question near the end of her life. Why do you think she depended so heavily on men? What does this dependence say about her opinion of herself and of women in general? What in her past or in her situation would lead her to this dependency?

2.Why did Victoria consider Sir John Conroy so abhorrent? Do you think she reacted too strongly against him?

3.Which of Victoria's advisers do you trust the most, and why? Is this the same one you would find most appealing as a friend?

4. Bertie, the Prince of Wales, becomes popular with the people thanks to his easy manner and very human lifestyle. Considering the way the Press has responded to Victoria and Albert, do you think the people would continue to value these qualities in a king?

5. Victoria found herself a sovereign as a very young woman, as did her grandson, Wilhelm. Bertie, on the other hand, will be a middle-aged man by the time he assumes the throne. King William, whom Victoria succeeded, was older still when he became king. Do you think their respective ages are significant? What evidence from the book would support or refute the idea that an older person makes a better ruler?

6.Victoria often remarks on the ever-changing mood and allegiances of “the mob.” Do you think she truly understands what motivates them? Does she make the most of her opportunities to bolster her own popularity? How much does this popularity matter to her—is it more often a matter of personal gratification or political security?

7. Why do you think Uncle Leopold chose Albert for Victoria? Were his aims primarily political, or were his designs the result of real affection for Victoria and Albert? Do you think he accurately anticipated what their marriage—and Victoria's reign—would be like?

8. Do you agree with Albert that Lezhen was too lenient with Victoria as a child? Given what we learn about her personality during the course of the book, do you think Victoria would have been a different kind of ruler if she had more discipline as a child?

9. Victoria reacts to people strongly and shows her feelings clearly— but is she a good judge of character? Why or why not? Is Albert a good judge of character?

10. What do you think of Lord Melbourne? Does his wait-and-see attitude speak to his steady character or lack of courage? What do you consider his best and worst qualities as an adviser?

11. Queen Elizabeth has a rather lowly place in the doll collection Victoria keeps as a girl. What do the feelings Victoria expresses about the doll say about her understanding of Elizabeth as a woman and as a queen? What in Victoria's situation do you think colors her perception of Elizabeth?

12. Is Victoria's disassociation with her mother understandable? What do you make of their eventual reunion? Is Victoria sincerely happy to have her mother back in her life as her own family grows, or is she merely trying to make Albert happy by reaching out to her?

13. Is it hypocritical of Victoria to adopt such high moral standards for her court when her own family has something of a checkered past? How do she and Albert justify shunning others with disreputable relations when they themselves have families who have been touched by scandal? Is this excusable?

14. Compare Victoria to her daughters Vicky and Alice. What, if anything, do they have in common? Why does Victoria prefer Alice? How does Victoria's opinion of Vicky change when Vicky marries and moves away? How do you think Albert's preferences come into play in these relationships?

15. As newlyweds, Victoria and Albert seem worlds apart in many ways, but during the course of their marriage Victoria grows to revere Albert, and convinces herself that his choices must be right. How much do you think she really buys into his way of thinking? Why do you think, in many cases, she seems to trust his judgment more than her own?

16. What qualities make Victoria “victorious”? In Plaidy's account of her, is she a strong ruler? How would you characterize her as a sovereign? Is she politically astute? How interested or disinterested is she in politics and the welfare of the English people?

message 6: by Sera (new)

Sera I haven't posted my review yet, but I will give the book 4 stars. I also hope to be able to circle back to discuss this book more with the group.

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