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Jennefer (jenneferpracticex3) | 444 comments Mod
And the winner is... (my a long shot!)

A Gentle Feuding by Johanna Lindsey 1983 (ta-da!)
A Gentle Feuding by Johanna Lindsey (it's one of the famous naked Lindsey men!)
Average GoodRead rating: 3.83
GoodReads description: Duty demands that Sheena, the beautiful jewel of the Fergusson clan, wed to end the violent feud that has devastated her family. But never could she give herself completely to the handsome and dangerous laird Jamie MacKinnion – the most feared man in the Scottish highlands.
The captive prize of Jamie's sword, Sheena struggles in vain to escape the desire awakened by his touch. And though pride insists she hate her dashing enemy, Sheena's heart begs her to yield...and to surrender to Jamie's passionate love.
Availability: This is available currently in print with a very boring reissue copy, should be easy to come by. Check out Amazon and AbeBooks.

Discussions: (I am not feeling to good today, I think I am getting sick... I need to go to bed, so I am being lazy and just using the exact same questions from last month... maybe I will update in a couple days to throw in a couple different ones) What did you think of the authors style/voice? Do you find the author too long winded or did you enjoy her leisurely story telling style? What did you think of the setting/atmosphere of the story? How do characters change or evolve throughout the course of the story? What events trigger such changes? What was your favorite scene? At what point in the book did you decide if you liked it or not? What helped make this decision? If you could change something about the book would you? If so what/how?

Please be considerate of others and use 'spoiler spaces' when revealing key plot elements.

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Amanda | 107 comments Yay! I'll be starting this in about a week!

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Tara | 21 comments Awesome! One of my faves :)

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
Yay, a short one! LOL

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Adrienne I'm looking for a copy....library will be my first port of call

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Janice | 17 comments Got a copy at my local Border's store. It doesn't have the awesome cover like the original, but I guess it's the story that's important. Looking at a naked Lindsey man I'm sure would help me get more into the book. I'm going to begin reading it next week.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
The naked Lindsey men are always helpful.

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Gigi | 31 comments Jennefer, feel better! I hope my library has this one.

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) I have it in keepers... may have to do a reread :)

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Gigi | 31 comments Gigi wrote: "Jennefer, feel better! I hope my library has this one."

Ugh! No luck with the library.

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Adrienne I've placed my library reservation:) I'm really looking forward to reading this now:)

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Jennefer (jenneferpracticex3) | 444 comments Mod
Gigi wrote: "Jennefer, feel better! I hope my library has this one."

Thanks Gigi :) Last night after I finished posting this I took the dog for a short walk, did a little yoga, and crawled into bed. I feel much better today, the early bedtime did me good! :)

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Adrienne My copy's arrived:) when do we start or does everyone read at their own pace and in ther own time? Do we post here when wer're through? Sorry for so many questions but this is my first group read.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
Read at your own pace and post whenever and whatever you like (with proper SPOILER warnings).

I'm hoping to get to this one this month! It might be a while, though.

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Jennefer (jenneferpracticex3) | 444 comments Mod
Thanks Karla :)

Yay! I am so exited for you to join in your first group read Adrienne! Like Karla said, you are welcome to read the book anytime during the month at your own pace and just jump pop in here and post whenever you want to share your thoughts (with spoiler spaces if necessary). You can post once when you are done, or a few times as you read, its up to you! You will be a great addition to the discussion! :) xoxo

message 16: by Amanda (last edited Sep 11, 2010 10:35PM) (new)

Amanda | 107 comments Oooh, this one's goood :) I'm almost done. Anyone else started it yet? I'll keep my opinions to myself 'till a little later this month but I just thought I'd check to see where everyone else was at :)

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Adrienne I've just started reading:)

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
I just started it this morning. Once I get my butt off the computer, I'm sure I'll be reading more.

But I LOLd that we already have the obligatory Hero Peeping at Naked Heroine Frolicking In A Pool by page 11! Lindsey doesn't dawdle.

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Amanda | 107 comments Karla wrote: "I just started it this morning. Once I get my butt off the computer, I'm sure I'll be reading more.

But I LOLd that we already have the obligatory Hero Peeping at Naked Heroine Frolicking In A Poo..."

haha. Yeah, there was no time wasted on that!

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Adrienne OO I didn't realize there was a reissue edition and I'm now thinking that's the one I may have, Severn House publishers 1999. Please don't let it be.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
Jeanine ♥ Cheshire Catt ♠ wrote: "Finished my phantom of the opera porn book yesterday so now I'll start this one - LOL. Okay Karla you are ahead of me for now, but I'll catch up."

It won't take you long. If I hadn't fallen asleep early last night, I'd have probably read half of it in one sitting. JL's prose is about 6th grade reading level - I don't remember it being so simplistic, but I haven't read a Lindsey since 1993 so memory fails.

message 22: by Amanda (last edited Sep 13, 2010 09:30AM) (new)

Amanda | 107 comments Karla wrote: "It won't take you long. If I hadn't fallen asleep early last night, I'd have probably read half of it in one sitting. JL's prose is about 6th grade reading level - I don't remember it being so simplistic, but I haven't read a Lindsey since 1993 so memory fails..."

I read some of her other stuff recently. I kind of like that about her when you're in the mood for a light and quick read. But this one is even more like that than some of her other stuff, IMO. It's a simple story too. Honestly, there's not a lot of action. It's a lot of dialogue with few actual events taking place in there. I was a little bored with it towards the middle for that reason (but on the upside, I moved through that boredom quickly because it's such an easy read!)

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
That was the thought I had as I started reading it - that one of her books would be a good choice between heavier books, or if a quick read is required.

I did notice that there's LOTS of dialogue!

message 24: by Amanda (last edited Sep 13, 2010 09:50AM) (new)

Amanda | 107 comments It sort of gets better with the dialogue towards the end. The thing that really made me notice it in the beginning is that there are parts where almost the exact same conversation you saw earlier is taking place again, but between different people. You get so little from that (other than "oh, ok. now that guy know too") but the second version of the conversation is just as detailed as the first.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
I think somebody had a deadline and she relied on filler. LOL

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
I noticed the difference between this book and about every other Scottish-set novel I've read. JL does "no'" where just about everybody else does "nae." I kinda like "nae" better.

Jeanine, that's why I tend not to read Scottish settings, because the dialect tends to drive me batty unless I'm in the mood. Same thing with plantation books with slave dialect written out phonetically. Yikes, is that hard on the eyes. Though I can get through both of them far better than I used to.

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Adrienne Same here! Why do authors/publishers think we want all that Och Aye etc, I dinna ken *rolls eyes*

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Adrienne I'm enjoying this read for it's easiness, sometimes it makes a nice change to have something light on your bookshelf.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
This is the kind of historical that really irritates me when I'm in a certain mood and want, oh, history with my romance. So far this one is shaping up to be a wallpaper historical - we know we're in Scotland and there's talk of Highlanders and Lowlanders and raiding and such, but it's mainly the couple bickering and circling each other endlessly. :-\

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Adrienne I'm nearly half way through and for one fleeting moment was going to give up...but I haven't. I'm hoping it'll pick up a pace soon.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
I love all those pulpy mystery covers, and have an urge to watch the Mike Shayne TV series, whatever the hell it was. :P

Thank doG I'm out of that stupid office retreat and can have some sweet reading time at lunch. Idiotic meeting in the afternoon, but I'll get fortified for that by reading some more of this - even if it is pretty meh!

message 32: by Karla (last edited Sep 14, 2010 10:24AM) (new)

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There's a bit of it about 20 pages on, but he doesn't go through with it because he doesn't want to have her unless she wants it too, or some such noble thing. This one does have a goody-goody tone - I noticed that early on. I'd have to read more of her books to decide for myself if the majority of her early stuff are bodice rippers. My gut tells me no.

SPOILER - And also in the "nice" department, Jamie lost all interest in Jessie once Sheena was under his roof. He even took her as a mistress reluctantly because he had needs and he's been all blueballs for Sheena ever since he saw her swimming on page 11. The monkish hero - pet peeve!

message 33: by Tonya (last edited Sep 14, 2010 11:04AM) (new)

Tonya (_tonya_) | 0 comments A Pirate's Love has lots o' rape, matey! Argg!

At least if you count:
hero: "if you don't fight me, I won't kill someone"
heroine: "oh, okay, I won't fight you, but I really hate you and I wish you would die!!!"
hero: does the deed
heroine: finds out he lied
heroine: "oh, no, you tricked me!"
...other stuff happens...
same dialogue as before...
herione: "oh, no, you tricked me AGAIN!!"

I still gave it 3 stars. I liked it.

message 34: by Tonya (last edited Sep 14, 2010 11:13AM) (new)

Tonya (_tonya_) | 0 comments That's why I said "at least if you count". I think it is more forced seduction the way it is written but the heroine actually calls it rape several times in the book. There is nothing violent about the sex in this book. She is fighting and truely doesn't want to do the deed at the beginning of each scene until he tells her he will spare someones life or not beat her with the whip he is holding if she complies.

message 35: by Karla (last edited Sep 14, 2010 11:18AM) (new)

Karla | 1668 comments Mod
Tonya wrote: "She is fighting and truely doesn't want to do the deed at the beginning of each scene until he tells her he will spare someones life or not beat her with the whip he is holding if she complies."

Hah, sounds like my type of alpha. I read this one way back long ago in school and I do remember the hero's name was Tristan. Which made me LOL when I first watched All Creatures Great and Small and there was the Tristan Farnon character. I'm sure that Tristan wished he had such a swashbuckling, ladykilling life. :P

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Tonya (_tonya_) | 0 comments And now back to your regularly scheduled discussion...

Sorry for the hi-jack!!

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Adrienne Ok I confess to fnding what I thought was an easy read has become tiresome, anyone given up with Sheena and Jamie?

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
I'm so close to the end that I'm not going to bail, but I've had the thought once or twice.

I think it's so easy that it's tiresome. ??? At least that's how I've been feeling about it. JL's style is very elementary. The story is nothing but misunderstandings and bickering, though without all the period flavor that was in Whitney My Love - which helped make that book a bit easier to stomach.

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Adrienne I've bailed and I feel terrible about it. In my review I did say that it wasn't badly written, nor was it a bad story...b/c I don't think that's the case, I'm sure there are many readers who'd love everything about it, overlooking or not even noticing the things that didn't do it for me.

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Amanda | 107 comments A lot of reviews I've read from people on amazon and here say they just loved it, but I think those have got to be the people who like a "safe" romance. (A lot of reviews say it wasn't that great too. Kind of the feeling here!) I thought it was ok in the beginning, very tiresome in the middle, and sort of worth liking again by the end.


Really, the main thing that kept me reading is that I wanted to know who restarted the feud dressed in Fergusson plaids. It was the only real action in the book, if you could even call it that. More like the only event in the book at all. It was such a big let down when I found out what that was all about though. That William guy was such an insignificant part of the story I had to go back and read the scene with him in it again to remind myself what it was Jamie did to his sister. I did like the explanation of how the feud started originally, when you finally learn that from Jamie's aunt. But that was such a tiny part of the story.

I'm wavering between two and three stars. I liked it, but honestly I'm not sure why. lol. "It was ok" is probably the best description I could give. I don't feel like I wasted my time reading it, but I can definitely let this one go and not think about it again.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
One thing that bugged me throughout the book was that so many scenes were built around what one person knew and what the other person didn't and since so many scenes were repetitious with one little new bit of knowledge a character might have, I had a hard time keeping track of the whole thing.

Plus I think I caught a massive flub. I doubt I'd have caught it if there had been more in the book besides "I'm not telling you who I am" and "I know what she is but I'm not going to tell her" blah blah.

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
Sheena has run off with William Jameson and Jamie's talking to Colen....
"Enough! You think I dinna want to bring her back? I would like nothing more - but my hands are tied. If she were friend or foe of the MacKinnions I could do something, but the MacEwens are neither. Jameson knows that. He could raise a complaint with the king if I took the lass from him without a reason. That's what's needed, lad, a valid reason. You find me one, and I'll bring her back." (p. 176)

But then Jamie learns from Alisdair Macdonough that his Sheena is actually a Fergusson who, as we've been repeatedly reminded, is a foe of the MacKinnions. DING DING DING! We have a reason! Hello? Go for it, you lummox!

But when Jamie is at Jameson's castle, what transpires?
"If you had a claim on the lass," [Jameson said], "you should've made it known." ...
Damn the man to hell, he was right. Jamie had no claim on Sheena. (p. 192)

So why doesn't Jamie use that "friend or foe" excuse to get hold of her while he's there? To, oh I dunno, lay a claim on her? Jamie gets all hung up on the talk of Jameson bedding Sheena and apparently forgets why he went there in the first place. (Jamie doesn't seem too bright anyway.) It makes no sense and logic gets a kick in the tuckus so that we can have more conflict and BIG Misunderstanding:
"At least tell me why you're no' explaining that you know she's a Fergusson," [Colen said].
"To make her aware that her deception is over would be placing a sword in her hand. She would attack me at every turn for past actions that have nothing to do with her and me, things between our families."
"Yet you know, and you mean her no harm. She should know her identity doesna matter. Then she would see her fears are groundless."
"...I'll no' have her using clan hatred as another excuse to refuse me."
"I'll wager that is her reason."
"Aye, but she canna tell me so. Can she?" Jamie grinned. (p. 201)

It was at this point where I almost bailed because I was getting so sick of 90% of the storyline being "If I say this, then he/she will do that, and so I'm going to do this because then he/she can't do that."

So maybe it's not a technical flub, but it is a feeble choice in storytelling to keep up the tension between Sheena and Jamie.

message 43: by Karla (last edited Sep 15, 2010 12:16PM) (new)

Karla | 1668 comments Mod
Yeah, that's why I said it's not a technical flub, but it did have me saying, "Oh ferchrist's sake!" last night in the hot tub :P

IMO, he told Colen "Give me a reason/excuse to go get her. Her being an enemy would be reason enough."

So then he finds out that she IS an enemy and then when he's at Jameson's, he doesn't exercise that excuse because, later on, his master plan is "Oh, she'll throw up barriers and shut me out if she knows I know." So he's keeping mum about stuff.

The whole plot reminds me somewhat of that quote from The Lion in Winter:

I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it."

It takes more than one reading at first glance to untangle that puppy. It became a struggle to read each scene in AGF and keep straight just which characters knew what and why they say one thing and not another.

And yes, I think "silly" describes this book to a T.

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Amanda | 107 comments lol. This conversation is hilarious. It really is so ridiculous! I hate it when talking about a book only makes you like it less. Totally the case with this one. I should make that a new indicator of whether I really liked a book or not. If talking about it changes your opinion at all, it should only make you like it more!

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Karla | 1668 comments Mod
I usually have that reaction - talking about a book I'm meh about usually drives the rating down a star. It's like lancing a boil. :P

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SmittenKitten | 189 comments I read "A Gentle Feuding" in August... I remember enjoying the book enough as I read it, but I can not recall anything about the book... I guess that says a lot!! Not one of JL's best, but did not turn me off from reading more of her books. I loved Warrior's Woman and Hearts Aflame, so hopefully there are still some great books out there by this author.

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Jennefer (jenneferpracticex3) | 444 comments Mod
What a bummer this has been such a disapointment for everyone :( I have only read one Lindsey ever (A Heart So Wild) and like Karla said the prose was simple enough for a 6th grader, but I liked it. Solid story and a nice easy read, so I guess that is the sort of thing I expected from her work. I think I will still try to read this and throw my two cents in here about it. I was thinking I might even try to get in A Pirate's Love this month for the read by setting. Maybe I will pick something else and try to space my Lindseys out... hmmmm... We will see. I am going to keep my hopes high and try not to get discouraged about this author!

message 48: by Amanda (last edited Sep 17, 2010 07:01PM) (new)

Amanda | 107 comments Jennefer, I have this book set aside for you to borrow. We just need to get together so I can give it to you :) I think you should still read it. I want to hear your thoughts on it!

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Now that I'm about a third into Captive Passions, I'm comparing it to A Gentle Feuding - both of them are really simple in style (though AGF is more so), but Captive Passions has much more bodice ripper bite! (Boy howdy! Cheating hero, jealous mistress, rape and murder!) It also has a HUGE misunderstanding/mistaken assumption as the basis for the heroine's revenge against the hero, but (so far) it's not as annoying as AGF was. Because, you know, being gang-raped by privateers who sail under the protection of the Dutch East India Company (aka that which the hero controls) would tend to make you see red and not think too logically. :P

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Tara | 21 comments I really liked A Gentle Feuding, but yeah, thinking back now, not really a bodice-ripper. Not in comparison with what Karla just described lol.

Just a quick note about A Pirate's Love, I believe in the beginning it is rape. I don't remember the h giving in and enjoying it right away. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

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