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Book: Northanger Abbey > Catherine Morland & Henry Tilney

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message 1: by valee (new)

valee What do you think of them?

message 2: by valee (new)

valee I loved both characters. Henry was an amazing hero, totally caught my attention since his first appearance. You could see how behind that devilish performance he was totally a sweetheart and ment to do hist best.
Catherine was an amazing heroine. I loved that even though she wanted to do things the right way, her lack of knowledge about society and people made it hard for her, also I adored how Henry helped her realize many things through the story.
I'm about to finish the book and I will write more once I do. So far I'm loving it.

message 3: by Heather (new)

Heather Book Savvy Babe (booksavvybabe) I liked Catherine and Henry. I loved the part when henry told Catherine the ghost story about the abbey..then Catherine's fear that it may have been true. The characters were just right for eachother

message 4: by Em (new)

Em (emmap) So far as I've read, Catherine is lovely but as of about a quarter of the way though the book she isn't a great judge of character - at least she's realised that John is utterly boring and begins to dislike him. I could've cheered!

message 5: by Em (new)

Em (emmap) Half way now, I see what you mean - he's getting worse!

message 6: by Katherine (new)

Katherine Henry and Catherine were likeable enough I just didn't LOVE them. I didn't feel their HEA. Maybe Miss Jane was feeling rather sad when she was writing this novel. There is just something missing that her others have.

message 7: by valee (new)

valee I think it is because this one is shorter than the rest.

message 8: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
Love them!
Catherine's innocence and Tilneys humour - loved it.
Their relationship is cute to!!!
I think they are really cute together and they are one of my fav couples :)

message 9: by Stephanie (new)

Stephanie (stephanie-jo) | 111 comments I just finished the book and enjoyed the way the relationship developed. Some of the other relationships in the books feels forced, but this one was very natural from the beginning. But I agree, I think Miss Jane was a bit sad. It was almost as though we were reading about her relationship, but without the HEA.

message 10: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) | 139 comments Mr. Tilney is the most agreeable hero I have ever read in Jane Austen and as for Catherine, I couldn't get enough of the dreams she has in the 2007 movie.

message 11: by Irene (new)

Irene | 271 comments Northanger abbey is not my favourite JA novel. I think it's in the last place of my ranking.
Catherine is too naive for my taste. How can anyone be so blind and easily influenced? Mr. Tilney is another issue. He is clever, funny and has a great sense of humor, but I can't understand what he sees in Catherine Morland.

This novel was the first Jane Austen wrote (although the last published) and it's clear that her style is not completely mature. Maybe that's why Catherine and Tilney are different from other characters.

message 12: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
I like this one and I think it was clever of Austen to parody the then popular gothic novel. I think that would have some bearing on why Catherine was so naive. And I think what Tilney liked in Catherine was this naivety. Also, I think Catherine did grow up as the novel went (represented by her burning the Mysteries of Udpoholo) and I think Tilney is different from the others and do is Catherine. I think she is the youngest heroine because of the age Austen was.
But still I think it was cleverly written :)

message 13: by Irene (new)

Irene | 271 comments I read Northanger Abbey some time ago... maybe I should read it again, to see if my opinion improves :-D
That is cleverly written I agree! But don't you think that the reader feels the author presence more than in other novels? I feel like Jane Austen try to influence my opinion on the characters. That she does even in P&P, Emma and so on, but in a subtle way that lacks in Northanger Abbey.

message 14: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
That is true. But maybe she was doing this on purpose, being her first novel ?

message 15: by Irene (new)

Irene | 271 comments Probably you're right.
The young Jane Austen had some thoughts about her characters and wanted the reader to think the same.

message 16: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
But I know what you mean. I think NA is different from the others (as is MP) :)

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I liked NA. It was an engaging read. :) I liked Tilney, but was kinda disappointed with his lack of passion for Catherine. Catherine was madly in love with Tilney, but his affection for her was not as strong as hers was for him.

message 18: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
It's a fair point, but I think it got stronger later on, without him realising it.

Also, it can't have been too much less as he wet against his father and married where there was no fortune etc. brave of him and so he must have loved her, surely!!

message 19: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) | 139 comments Northanger Abbey 2007. The best adaption ever!

message 20: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
yes! they are a great couple and he is a true hero, going against his father and coming back for the woman he loved! (she has matured by the end of the novel and is more woman than man i think)

message 21: by Marren (new)

Marren | 764 comments Their relation is like a 'love come softly' version of Janette Oake. Tilney is more preserve and Catherine is smitten. He teases, she blushes. It works for me, sometimes volcanic eruptions are not necessary, a gentle spark does the trick.

message 22: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
couldn't have put it better myself.
I don't think Henry meant to fall in love with her, as he came to know her she grew on him and his teasing became genuine affection. And i think her smittenness with him developed into a more mature love for him :)

message 23: by Marren (new)

Marren | 764 comments I agree Soph, although Austen showed us more about Catherine's heart earlier in the novel and not Henry's own. Wait, she show us his heart way to the end of the novel, hmm

message 24: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
She does that in them all - we only see the heroines POV and heart - I think that is why I like the Amanda Grange diaries - you see the heroes POV and heart from the start!

message 25: by Marren (new)

Marren | 764 comments I have been hearing about Amanda Grange, I really need to get her books. I would love to hear the heroes heart ;). I believe it is because we see more of the heroines hearts we tend to dislike the heroes(sometimes).

message 26: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
Which hero do you dislike!? And I highly recommend Grange - I have read all her hero diaries and each one improved my opinion of the hero greatly and I have also been working through her own regency romances (read 7 do far and have 3 left) and loving each and everyone! My favourite of hers would be the diaries I think as it was great to see the heroes thoughts and feelings and also see what happened when the hero is not around (what really happened when Darcy went to find the scoundrel Wickham? And what did Brandon really do when he received that letter and hurried off to London? Or what Bertram got up to when Fanny was sent to Portsmouth?) and it also shows glimpses into their pasts (Every wandered about Wentworth and Anne's courtship 8 years before the novel started? Or how it all really happened between Brandon and Eliza?)

message 27: by Marren (new)

Marren | 764 comments Oh stop, Soph, you tormenting my poor soul about what look like interesting reads :D. hmm, I do not dislike any of the heroes but usually I would hear talk about what to shake Mr. Darcy and Edward Ferrars.

message 28: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
Sorry! I am a big Grange fan... ;) they are good reads - especially the diaries! I won't go off on one again ;)
Oh I see! I like all heroes, in there own ways. Favourite Austen has to be Darcy though... With the rest just millimetres behind!

message 29: by Marren (last edited Nov 05, 2012 10:22AM) (new)

Marren | 764 comments I am waiting to finish rereading to pick my favourites, I suspect my favourite novel, heroine and hero will change most definitely. You can go ahead and speak about Grange, don't mind me, it will only be a good reminder for me to get her books soon.

message 30: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
Yes my favourites are constantly changing... As I reread the books I think that my favourite. But then that changes!
Although it happens even more with the adaptions. I watch one. That's my favourite. I watch another. That's my favourite. Haha

message 31: by Marren (new)

Marren | 764 comments hehe, I know what you mean. I notice when the character in the adaptations plays the role excellently, it makes you like or dislike a character, all the more. For example Mary Eliot in 1972 version played her role so well. I disliked her even more. In addition, Admiral Croft of the same version was a capital fellow, I liked him even more. {These examples are so off topic, opps sorry, I just can't help but talk about Persuasion:D.

message 32: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
How was the 1971/2 I have yet to see that one!
It's true. You like/dislike characters more depending how they are portrayed! Very true!

message 33: by Marren (new)

Marren | 764 comments It is a series, overall is was very good. You could see the scenes from the book acted out very similar to what you read. The actors were good and I must say the fashion was really nice. Sometimes when i watch an old version of an adaptation, I would utter "good gracious what are they wearing," but this one was different. Go under the Persuasion section, I will post a link for you Soph.

message 34: by Sophie, Your Lovely Moderator (new)

Sophie | 2624 comments Mod
Thanks!! Sounds good! :D

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