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message 1: by Arch , Mod (last edited Feb 18, 2010 09:46AM) (new)

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Have you ever started reading a book and wasn't aware that it was going to be an interracial book?

I have. When I have bought The Silent Cradle by Margaret Cuthbert. I didn't know it was an interracial (black woman/white man) book, until I started reading it.




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 Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books) (gatadelafuente) | 7308 comments Mod
Yes, that's always a great surprise. I'd put down the Suzanne Brockmann Team 16 books in this category. The Sam and Alyssa storyline was a very nice surprise.

I can think of another one, but to say would be a spoiler.


message 3: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Danielle, I was going to list Gone Too Far, because it was my first Suzanne Brockmann book and I'm always saying that it's because of the interracial storyline that I have given this book a chance. At first, the book wasn't holding my attention, then again, I had things on my mind too. But, when I've came across that Alyssa was black. That was my pushing point. I still had things on my mind, but the book was a go then.

I've fallen in love with Sam and Alyssa and I couldn't wait to read more about them. I thought that Flash Point was going to have them in it.

I was hooked. Only for Sam and Alyssa, then my baby Dave came along and it didn't hurt that Sophia was his best friend. Now wife. By now.




message 4: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Danielle, please spoil away. Is it a book that I suppose to know or a new book to me?


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 Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books) (gatadelafuente) | 7308 comments Mod
SPOILER WARNING!!!!!
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In the Midnight Rain has a heroine who turns out to be biracial. The author is Ruth Wind.


message 6: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Danielle "The Book Huntress" wrote: "SPOILER WARNING!!!!!
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In the Midnight Rain has a heroine who turns out to be biracial. The author is Ruth Wind."



Oh that's okay Danielle.

Alyssa is biracial. Well, maybe I should say Tri-racial,but I'll go with biracial, because looking at her mother being black and father being white. The Latino mentioned was coming from Sam. According to him, she's mixed with other races as well.

So, she's biracial in my eyes.


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Stacy-Deanne Stacy-Deanne (wwwgoodreadscomstacydeanne) Hi Arch,

Yes I have many times. That's why I brought up the point under the topic we were speaking of about when someone said it's so hard to find them in stores, I said that's true, but they are there. The problem is that the bookstores don't have a specific section for IR books so you don't necessarily know that's the type of romance these books might feature unless you've heard of the book before you go to the store. I know through the years, I've found many by browsing bookstores. They weren't all just BW/WM either. They were different IR kinds of IR romances.

Reviewers said the thing about Melody. They were surprised because I have three IR relationships in there but the main one was the BW/WM. The thing is that the book is focused on the thriller and the mystery overall and so that's why the book isn't classified as IR unless I do it myself. This is why IR books get lost in the shuffle and IR fans might not find them because they go under other genres.

It's also the publisher's doing too. I think a lot of them don't even think mentioning the IR aspect matters unless they are a publisher who always prints these types of books. If your book falls under a lot of genres, the pub usually picks the most popular genre yours fits into. So you could have an IR romance in your book, but your book might be a horror or a fantasy. They're gonna put it in Horror or Fantasy instead of IR romance or something, you know?

I don't know about you guys but I am one of those completely against the AA book sections in stores. I think it's segregation and that blacks should have their books categorized by their genre like white authors. BUT, I think IR romances should have their own shelf (in the romance section mind you), because in this case, I think it would be a good thing. It would be easy for IR fans to find the books they like, instead of having to dig through others. Also, for the point I just brought up, so many IR romances are in books where the emphasis is on the main genre and that makes it hard for people who want specifically IR books to find.

When people say, "I never see these books in stores!" I always say, they are there but you might not can find them. It's about how they are classified.

I think this is a good thing if IR romances are being "snuck" into mainstream plots. Why? Because hopefully more mainstream pubs will realize how big the audience is and soon maybe it will normal just to see these books provided by big pubs. I was hoping Harlequin (even though I don't read those types of books), would start a IR romance line. I figure if the biggest romance pub would then it would show the other pubs how hot the market is.

I think of Erotica and how its evolved due to e-publishing. E-publishing paved the way for many new erotica writers who couldn't get mainstream publication and now they have moved on to big pubs. Why can't that happen for IR as well? I think it's shifting in a way where IR becomes more recognized in books. Look at movies, almost every IR romance is BW/WM and it's popular in movies and television. Look at Star Trek. (And yes Zoe Saldona is black she's a black Hispanic but she's still black, LOL) Anyway, Some of the biggest movies have had black women and white men pairings as well as black men and hispanic women pairings.

The pubs SHOULD know, unless they are living under rocks that this is a big market they should be tapping into. I believe when they see how popular IR books are underground or in the epublishing and self-publishing realm, they will want a chunk of it. I see a change and I am liking it, LOL! I think IR readers need to make their presence known to bookstores and pubs then the demand is there.

The good thing about the IR genre is that everyone reads them, not just the people that relate to the books.

Best Wishes!

http://www.stacy-deanne.net


message 8: by Arch , Mod (new)

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My first interracial love is black woman/white man. I would read an interracial book with a black woman and other race man as well.

I do read other interracial books that aren't black woman/white man. I haven't read a black man and white woman book yet though.

I should have said that The Silent Cradle was a surprise black woman/white man book to me.

It's easier to in my opinion to find other interracial books than it's to find black woman/white man book. Even black man/white woman book.

As for black books. I think that whatever genre they fall under that's where they should be.

I feel the same way for interracial books. Whatever genre it falls under that's where the book should be.

I have created a shelf for unaware ir books. There I will list all interracial pairing that was unaware to me.


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Sharon Huxford (blackpanthershay) | 970 comments Arch there are so many BW/WM books out there!


message 10: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Sharon wrote: "Arch there are so many BW/WM books out there!"

Sharon,

But a huge percentage might be ebooks.




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Sharon Huxford (blackpanthershay) | 970 comments I will have to think about the books I have
but here's a few
The Distressing Damsel and The Beast in Him by Shelly Laurenston
The Lord and the Scorpion by Shiree McCarver
Tempting Faith, Blame it on Paradise and Mr Fix-it)I have not read Mr fix it) by Crystal Hubbard
Best of Luck elsewhere by Tricia Haddad
Blindesided by Tammy Williams
The Sweet Spot and Make it Last by Kimberly Kaye Terry
No Commitment Required by Seressia Glass
At Last, Caught up in the Rapture by Lisa G Riley.

Most of them my hubby bought most from Amazon for me
I will have to look through my collection to see what else I have and as far as I know the men are WM



message 12: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Sharon, aren't all those books already listed as interracial romance books?




message 13: by Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books), Sees Love in All Colors (new)

 Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books) (gatadelafuente) | 7308 comments Mod
Stacy-Deanne wrote: "Hi Arch,

Yes I have many times. That's why I brought up the point under the topic we were speaking of about when someone said it's so hard to find them in stores, I said that's true, but they ar..."


Stacy-Deanne, you have hit on one of my biggest pet peeves. I hate how the books by African American authors are put into a separate section. Borders is especially bad about that. Glad I am not alone in my frustrution.

You are right about having the hidden IR content in books shelved in various genres. I'm glad when that happens, because it shows it's not a big deal. Although it does make it harder to find these books. I found a werewolf horror book with a prominent IR storyline (BWWM). It's called Werewolf: The Apocalypse. I found it at the ubs and bought it. Yay, me!


message 14: by Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books), Sees Love in All Colors (new)

 Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books) (gatadelafuente) | 7308 comments Mod
I have to thank Suz Brockmann for writing the Sam/Alyssa storyline. She really expanded the audience for IR romance. I'm not saying she broke the barriers alone. But I recognize her contribution.


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Sharon Huxford (blackpanthershay) | 970 comments Arch wrote: "Sharon, aren't all those books already listed as interracial romance books?

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You said in your opinion it's easier to find other interracial books than to find black woman/white man books.
So I sent you a list of BW/WM books that arent Ebooks



message 16: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Danielle "The Book Huntress" wrote: "I have to thank Suz Brockmann for writing the Sam/Alyssa storyline. She really expanded the audience for IR romance. I'm not saying she broke the barriers alone. But I recognize her contribution."

In my opinion, Sam and Alyssa are her buying ticket.



message 17: by Arch , Mod (last edited Feb 18, 2010 01:27PM) (new)

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Sharon wrote:"You said in your opinion it's easier to find other interracial books than to find black woman/white man books.
So I sent you a list of BW/WM books that arent Ebooks


I'm sorry Sharon. I should have made myself clearer.

I believe that it's easier to find other interracial books in stores than it is to find black woman/white man or black man/white woman.

I could be wrong and someone correct me. A lot of stores don't sell black woman/white man or black man/white woman books. You have to get those books from online, right?

So wouldn't it be hard for a reader that likes to read black woman/white man books, to go in a store, such as Wal-Mart and be able to find a book without knowing an author's name?

Don't everyone agree that a book about a Native American man and white woman would be easier to find, even if you don't know an author's name? Why? Because of the cover and where the book is located.

When I use to go to the library to check out books, sometimes, I would just go down a book isle and pick books from the shelf to find new authors. Many of the books didn't have a picture of the hero and heroine. In order for me to find out what their race was, I had to look inside the book to find out.

If the book would have turned out to be an black woman/white man book, then that would have been an unaware interracial book to me.

The Silent Cradle turned out to be an unaware interraical book to me.


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Sharon Huxford (blackpanthershay) | 970 comments Borders has a pretty good selection in the romance or African American section.



message 19: by Arch , Mod (new)

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We don't have a Borders. Only Books A Million.


message 20: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Huxford (blackpanthershay) | 970 comments Arch wrote: "We don't have a Borders. Only Books A Million."

I have seen a few there as well not nearly as many as Borders though


message 21: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Sharon wrote: "I have seen a few there as well not nearly as many as Borders though"

Okay. Thanks.


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Sharon Huxford (blackpanthershay) | 970 comments Arch wrote: "Sharon wrote: "I have seen a few there as well not nearly as many as Borders though"

Okay. Thanks."


You're welcome!!


message 23: by Stacy-Deanne (last edited Feb 18, 2010 02:17PM) (new)

Stacy-Deanne Stacy-Deanne (wwwgoodreadscomstacydeanne) Hey Everyone,

Arch got me thinking about the WW/BM books. I don't ever see any WW/BM books. Do you guys? Most of the ones I see are BW/WM and they seem to outnumber all other IR themed books. I always wondered why this is? Do you guys think that people feel the WW/BM romance isn't big with audiences or do you think it's that pubs or something feel it's taboo? I wonder if there are a lot of writers that write the WW/BM books. Everyone who writes IR I know of do the BW/WM books.
I've always thought about this so do you guys notice it? Or is it just that I don't see these pairings where I look? I know I have been on probably every IR e-pub or IR author site I could find and have never seen the WW/BM books.

Danielle, that's one reason I don't feel sorry for Borders going out of business. They could never compete. They have always sucked because I know that no matter what type of book I wanted, (and I mean any kind of book), half the time they didn't have it. They didn't have the strong stock of books like B&N does. They'll have one copy of a book! One! I had to start reserving books online for them to keep it at the front counter just to make sure they would have the book I wanted. I then started ordering from Amazon or go to B&N, but I was like, "What's the point of me going to Borders, if I gotta reserve a copy anyway?" Borders focused mainly on their music and DVD's. At least the ones down here in Houston did. I don't know about other areas. I do admit, they had good prices for DVD's and most of the times that's why I went to Borders. Their book selection sucked to me. LOL!

Also, they screwed up one of my book signings and I am still peed about that!

Best Wishes!

http://www.stacy-deanne.net



message 24: by CaliGirlRae, Mod Squad (last edited Feb 18, 2010 03:04PM) (new)

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I think it's because for a long time, BW weren't depicted as romance heroines. Many of the IR bwwms I pick up tend to have BW very desirable to the hero no matter what. And I think although it's wish fulfillment to a point, I can see why the target readers love it and why the writers write it that way. Usually BF femininity isn't something celebrated mainstream but in IR romances it is. Plus the readership is mostly bw so I think it's a mixture of that void finally being filled in the market while continuing to grow. So in a way, it's a subgenre but also a movement at the same time.

Harlequin hasn't shied away from WW/BM books. I tend to come across a few here and there at times. But it's pretty rare to see a BW/WM book in their catalog.


message 25: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Erick Jerome Dickey book Milk In My Coffee is about a black man/white woman. I have seen this book at the Salvation Army last year in July, but I didn't get it. If I see it again at a booksale, I'll probably buy it.




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Loni | 406 comments Most of the printed IR books that I've purchased are from Amazon. I've found some on occasion at Borders or Barnes & Noble, but it's not easy unless the author is well established (someone like Kimberly Kaye Terry is always there).

I think that all romances should be in one main section and put in subsections. I can't stand the blatant segregration in some bookstores. I don't think it's fair to the authors or customers who miss out on good stories.


message 27: by Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books), Sees Love in All Colors (new)

 Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books) (gatadelafuente) | 7308 comments Mod
Arch wrote: "Danielle "The Book Huntress" wrote: "I have to thank Suz Brockmann for writing the Sam/Alyssa storyline. She really expanded the audience for IR romance. I'm not saying she broke the barriers alon..."

I have to be honest and say that they kept me reading the series.


message 28: by Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books), Sees Love in All Colors (new)

 Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books) (gatadelafuente) | 7308 comments Mod
I have seen a few BM/WW books:

Forbidden Quest by Dar Tomlinson
Child of Her Heart by Cheryl St. John
My Buffalo Soldier by BK Reeves
Misconceptions by Pamela Leigh Starr
The Ambassador's Vow by Barbara Gale

I think that Rae has some good explanations. Personally, I think that BM/WW is very common IRL and maybe more accepted, so there is less of a niche market necessary to affirm that it's okay to be with a BM if you're a WW. But conversely, I think for some BW, it's still a big stigma to date outside of your race. The books do act as wish fulfillment and probably validation to women who are or have the desire to date interracially.

In the past and currently, I get most of my IRR on the internet at various sites, particularly Red Rose Publishing and Amazon.com.


message 29: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Danielle "The Book Huntress" wrote "I have to be honest and say that they kept me reading the series."

If it wasn't for Gone Too Far being my first book, I don't think that I would have given Suzanne a chance. I haven't read Unsung Hero. I've only searched out Sam and Alyssa's part in that book.


message 30: by Stacy-Deanne (last edited Feb 19, 2010 12:15AM) (new)

Stacy-Deanne Stacy-Deanne (wwwgoodreadscomstacydeanne) You guys made some great points about the BM/WW books and why the BW/WM books seem more popular.

Personally for me, I have to say I love the BW/WM romance because that's what I relate to mostly as a black woman and I am attracted to white men so that's why I especially love these types of romances. But I wondered about the lack of BM/WW novels.

About Harlequin, I heard they had a few IR titles but I'd like them to one day have an entire category dedicated to IR books. I think since they are the biggest romance pub in the world, they could really bring IR into the mainstream and then other pubs would follow suit. Then we would see more and more of these romances. I think that would be amazing. Maybe they will one day.

Best Wishes!

http://www.stacy-deanne.net


message 31: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Harlequin books tends to have funny names. I don't want them giving a black woman/white man's book funny names.




message 32: by Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books), Sees Love in All Colors (new)

 Danielle The Book Huntress (Back to the Books) (gatadelafuente) | 7308 comments Mod
I would love to see an IR line with Harlequin. I have contacted them about it. Their reply is, we don't want to have a separate line, because we feel that it's best integrated into their current lines, instead of making a big deal out of it. That's massive paraphrasing on my part, mind you. In theory, that makes sense, but I don't see a lot of IR/MC stories coming out in the lines. I have read some of the Kimani (when they were Arabesque), and frankly I got bored with them. I can't relate, as weird as that sounds. I still buy them in the hopes I will find one that sets me on fire, again. I believe Rae said Kimani will have more IR stories in their line.

I like the BW/interracial combos the best (since I'm a BW), but I really like any IR combo. The blurb just has to catch my interest. I think I don't read as much BM/combo, because I think that I see more validation of that combo in the media, but I would read one that caught my eye. I actually wrote a story with BM/WW, and will write more.


message 33: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Black woman/white man will always be at the top of my reading and writing list. Black woman/other race follows next.




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Stacy-Deanne Stacy-Deanne (wwwgoodreadscomstacydeanne) Danielle,

I think they told you that as a cop out! How can they say they don't want IR seperate yet they stick the black books in Kimani? If they really feel this way then why aren't their black romances in the same categories as their other romances? I think they just don't want to open an IR line because they feel they can't market the titles correctly. That answer they gave is silly because if they felt that way, like I said, why aren't the black books under the Harlequin Presents Line, which is the BIGGEST and best selling Harlequin line ever? How many black romances or minority romances period have they had in that line? I don't buy Harlequin books personally, but I do know the kind of books they publish and I know a lot of authors who are with them. I also read the Harlequin site from time to time. My mom was reading Harlequin back in the 60's, LOL! But, if they don't want an IR line, they should just be honest. I admire honesty. Some pubs will say, "We don't do this or that because we don't know how to market it." Case closed. But pubs shouldn't dress it up and say they don't want a seperate category for IR when they got the black romances sitting in a seperate category. They should mix the black romances with the others then. It's their loss.

Arch, yeah their titles are something else. But not all are that bad. Usually it's the Presents Line with those cheesy titles. Silhouette's titles seem to be better. LOL!

Best Wishes!

http://www.stacy-deanne.net


message 35: by Stacy-Deanne (last edited Feb 19, 2010 03:10PM) (new)

Stacy-Deanne Stacy-Deanne (wwwgoodreadscomstacydeanne) Danielle,

I also think they said it like that to "bloat" how many IR titles they have. They don't even have that many but they want to act like they do. They want to separate everything else in their categories, why not IR? Answer, it's because they don't wanna really take it on I believe. I think that's how it is.

Let me shut up, LOL! I'm not trying to bash Harlequin but if they are gonna do romance, do all romance. I know some writers who are writing gay romance. These are becoming very popular but the authors feel ignored by Harlequin and want a gay line there. They say they hope this happens one day. Good luck with that, LOL! I can't see that happening from Harlequin.

Anyway, back to the topic, LOL! Sorry if I derailed.

Best Wishes!

http://www.stacy-deanne.net


message 36: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Stacy-Deanne wrote: "Arch, yeah their titles are something else. But not all are that bad. Usually it's the Presents Line with those cheesy titles. Silhouette's titles seem to be better. LOL!"

Yes, it's their present line with those cheesy titles.

If I had to wait for certain companies to come out with an interracial line, I would be in my 80's probably.

I'm happy that I am a writer and that I can write my own interracial stories.




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Yeah, that's about the same reply I got. I recently listened to one of the editor podcasts for Kimani and I heard they were looking for IRs and they listed a few, okay 2, titles. I'm still bummed they're shuffled to the designated books of color section at HQN though. It'd be cool to have a separate line for IR. On the downside, I'm not sure I want HQN's paws on it considering the recent selections I've read from them. Pretty disappointing I must say. :-(


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Alicia (gotrr) | 53 comments Arch wrote: "Erick Jerome Dickey book Milk In My Coffee is about a black man/white woman. I have seen this book at the Salvation Army last year in July, but I didn't get it. If I see it again at a booksale, I'l..."

I just finished this book and will place it as available in book swap if you want to receive it.


message 39: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Alicia wrote: "I just finished this book and will place it as available in book swap if you want to receive it."

Did you write a review on the book Alicia? How steamy is the love scene? You can email me.


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Alicia (gotrr) | 53 comments No, I didn't write a review. I tend ot only write reviews for books that are really, really bad or very well done.

The love scences are o.k. I did not like the style of writing. The prose is to "jerky" for me. Perhaps it was all of the slang used, but I had a hard time finishing the book.


message 41: by Arch , Mod (new)

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Alicia wrote: "No, I didn't write a review. I tend ot only write reviews for books that are really, really bad or very well done.

The love scences are o.k. I did not like the style of writing. The prose is to ..."


Oh okay. Thanks.


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