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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments This segment is for Friday and chapters 65-81.
The first to post could please summarize this segment to guide the discussion.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Note to Carol - be careful if you decide to post early on this segment before you read all of the remaining Friday chapters. These are doozies.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Chap 65
Willa Deen and Alois make their move on the Abrams house where Peggy and Annie are guarded by Kirk Boisseau and Officer Ervin. Molotov cocktails damage the house, burn Kirk, Peggy and Annie are ok. Further attacks take out communication satellite connections for the FBI and force courthouse and jail evacuation. Sonny, by this time back in his cell is attacked when the cell doors open. He is killed
Chap 66
Terri and Caitlin are intimidated by a young black man at a diner before heading back to the paper. Caitlin decides to trust another young black man who offers to take her to the Bone Tree for $$. She's going to trust Harold Wallace, that he knows where it is and he will escort her safely. Terri to cover for her.

Comment - I don't really get what Caitlin thinks she gains by going alone. She can't protect the scene, she can't take forensic evidence. She gets a scoop and shows how brave she is. I still don't g e t it.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Chap 67
Penn goes to Peggy and Annie. He hears from a worried Jordan - where is Caitlin, did she go back in the swamp?
Penn calls Carl who heads that way to search, Kaiser back to the jail instead of helping look and finds Sonny dead and the meth evidence against the Double Eagles stolen.
Walt is following Forrest. Penn speeds to meet the chopper.
Chap 68
Caitlin is in the pirogue with Harold and I am seriously creeped out by the shots (and other boat?) they hear and the proximity to Valhalla. Will Harold leave her there? No cell bars.
Chap 69
The Bone Tree.
This is a very intense chapter. Caitlin going into the fissure of the tree, inside is a profound experience, the descriptions are chilling. Harold wants her gun. Making too much noise. Deep sadness and suffering, the inside dimensions are immense and so many bones. Caitlin takes photos on a point and shoot disposable camera when Harold? Someone shoots something in her chest.
Harold, a drug dealer, did set her up with Ozan to get his brother out of Angola. Caitlin shoots at Harold driving him away. She finds Tom's inert body face down.
Penn meets up with the chopper and Carl & Danny

Oh my.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments I have dreaded posting more chapter summaries because the next chapter will seem too real if I write about it. I could skip it. Seriously it has been two days. I guess I have to. Carol, where are you in the book? I know you will be feeling this too.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Chap 70
Caitlin initially thinks Tom is dead, close, diabetic coma. The peppermints in her pocket! one left, put it in Tom's mouth just in case not too late. Assessing her situation, Caitlin considers how to get a cell signal. Tom is awake, she can't climb the tree; diagnosing her heart situation, an ink pen and the multi tool give Caitlin a chance. The idea that Caitlin has to do the life saving plunge and cut into her own chest to drain the bood squeezing her heart is mind boggling.
Penn, Carl, Danny in the chopper are searching for her cell signal
Chap 71
Caitlin is fading. I so hoped when it happened that her injury was not severe or that the self surgery would give her relief. One more peppermint.. Tom has gone into shock again, Caitlin starts a recording of her last words just in case for Penn and Annie.
The signal, Carl gets a signal. Down, unconscious, the horror for Penn. The frantic rescue.
Chap 72
Walt following Forrest doesn't see Harold meet up with the man who he bargained with for his brother in Angola. Harold was a fool. Ozan is ruthless, stabs him.
Chap 73
The frantic flight to a hospital, Tom unconscious, Caitlin bloody and Carl doing CPR but her heart stops.
Finally a hospital and a surgeon, but too late. Noooooooo. The aftermath is a stunning situation. Penn isn't taking her death well. MacKiever comes in and calms the situation.
Chap 74
Tom escapes the ER, Kaiser calls Peggy about Tom and Caitlin, she will tell Annie.
Chap 75
Penn and Carl being flown out with Caitlin's personal effects, her cell phone. Soul searching, take Penn home. The Bone Tree is burning. Penn to call John Masters.
Tom found by Walt told about Caitlin. Shock, horror, guilt. Lost Penn.
Chap 76
Penn is so angry Peggy eventually drugs him.
Chap 77
Walt and Tom taken to Corinth, Pithy Nolan's antebellum mansion. Safe for now
Chap 78
Claude Devereaux sneaks a phone into jail for Snake to talk to Forrest. Both men have plays. Kaiser searches Valhalla, not much left.
Chap 79
Tom floating on drugs but reveals his insight on JFK, how he was protecting Viola, his JFk thoughts mostly hindsight.
Chap 80
Jordan Glass in Cuba with Castro. She asks him questions from Kaiser.
Chap 81
Kaiser and MacKiever strategize. Jordan approached by Castro who reveals clues to confirm JFK plot, he wanted to before, but can't be known he did.
Pithy and Walt talk about Tom


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Another drive-by posting. I had to LOL when Iles has Caitlin (I think it's her) talk about TSTL (Too Stupid to Live) actions on her part. Has he been reading our posts, LOL?

Anyway, he was reading my mind. I had just thought that earlier, when she decided to jump out and explore the Bone Tree.


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments This section is also going along like gangbusters. The coordinated attack by Forrest Knox read like an action movie. I almost felt sorry for Sonny when his time came. Ironic that it seemed to be the same method as Penn and Walt were about to execute on him.


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Am finding it easier to post my thoughts as I go along even if I haven't read the section. It's easy to ignore the posts already here and just MAR when done so I can easily come back to it.

Anyway, the whole scene with Caitlin letting that unknown young man take her to The Bone Tree without any backup readily available was beyond TSTL. And then she jumps out of the boat to explore? Again, why not wait until Carl and Danny can get there? Jeez.

Finding Tom there was a nice twist and Iles played it perfectly. He had me going for a moment, thinking Tom was dead. I actually was trying to imagine what it would be like to go through another 1-1/2 books with Tom out of the picture. Depressing. Luckily it did not come to that.

And, need I say that the whole turn with the mint and Tom, and the Bic pen and Caitlin... beyond ridiculous. Dramatic, though! Have to give Iles credit for being creative. Just when I wonder what he is going to do to ratchet up the tension, he comes up with something.


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I do have to say that Iles has come up with some serious villains. These guys are scary/bad and devious, a deadly combination. I like that Snake turned the tables on Forrest, first convincing Billy to tell him where Tom was, then going rogue and kidnapping Tom from Forrest's men, and next (I was going to say finally but I'm sure he isn't done) dealing with poor Sonny. Can't wait to see the confrontation between Sonny and Forrest....


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments OH NO!!!!


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments YES exactly....
Carol/Bonadie wrote: "OH NO!!!!"


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Ann wrote: "Note to Carol - be careful if you decide to post early on this segment before you read all of the remaining Friday chapters. These are doozies."

Ann, I would have been beyond devastated if I'd had Caitlin's demise spoilered. I've done pretty good at jumping in to post and only looking at what I'm writing until I've read the whole section, but this should be a lesson to me -- sometimes you just can't control where your eyes land, and if my eyes had landed on a spoiler in this section it would have done me in.

I did something to my ipod (I've got this sleeve thing I put it in to wear on my wrist), and I think it came on by accident and my watch pressed something that made it skip ahead. Anyway, before I could stop it I heard a spoiler for the end of the book. Not super shocking as I could have predicted this and the character wasn't named but I could guess who it was. But still, it was a close call!


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Am in 100% agreement, Ann. I was saying "no-no-no-no" out loud as I was listening to this. Totally unnecessary and foolish. Talk about TSTL moment. I wonder if Iles piled these moments on to ease the pain of losing Caitlin. I was really beginning to lose sympathy with her by this point.

Ann wrote: "
Comment - I don't really get what Caitlin thinks she gains by going alone. She can't protect the scene, she can't take forensic evidence. She gets a scoop and shows how brave she is. I still don't g e t it. ..."



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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I was doing pretty well skipping reading the spoilers so I didn't see this until i finished the section today. Wow. I am so sad at the loss of Caitlin. I am not a big fan of killing off characters you've lived with over multiple books, but on the other hand I really feel that Penn, Caitlin and Tom have all put themselves in such dangerous situations time and time again, that it just seems a matter of time before something really awful happens to one of them. It's almost unrealistic that they keep escaping without serious injury. Well, now the worst has happened and I'm dreading going through this mourning with Penn and the rest of the Cage family. My heart especially aches for Annie.

Ann wrote: "I have dreaded posting more chapter summaries because the next chapter will seem too real if I write about it. I could skip it. Seriously it has been two days. I guess I have to. Carol, where are y..."


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments When Caitlin got shot I at first thought it was a dart gun, as with Melba, because Harold said something like "You're going to thank me for this." I thought he was going to drag her out of there because she was making too much noise and drawing attention to them, but then he explained his betrayal in order to save his brother.

The self surgery was just unbelievable. I kept trying to imagine myself doing that, and between the excrutiating pain and the risk of doing it wrong I just couldn't see it. I guess that's why I'm not a character in a Greg Iles novel, LOL.

Ann wrote: "Caitlin is fading. I so hoped when it happened that her injury was not severe or that the self surgery would give her relief. One more peppermint.. Tom has gone into shock again, Caitlin starts a recording of her last words just in case for Penn and Annie. ..."


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I had forgotten about Pithy, so glad she is there to provide a hideaway fro Tom and Walt.

The re-introduction of Pithy was one of those scenes where I was really glad I'd read Natchez Burning first. There are a couple of times where characters are introduced without re-visting their stories, and this was one of them. You have no idea who Pithy is if you haven't read NB. I supposed that's not the worst thing to happen but not my preference... Danny and Carl's appearance is another, although their stories are introduced in an earlier book. Lovely how Iles brings these folks full circle.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Carol: I thought the same thing, that it must be a dart or something, never dreaming she was gunshot. I thought it was going to be something intended to put her out unconscious and I was screaming at her to figure out how to stay awake. (mental screaming, I think anyway)
I had to back to revise my notes on this chapter a bit after she described the injury further and it was apparent that it was in fact a gunshot.
This is, in my opinion, the mark of a well edited book, or of a skillful writer, or both. Iles is subtly leading us up to this moment with clues about the guns they are carrying into the swamp, with the conversation about Harold asking Caitlin to give him her gun when she goes into the tree. Thank goodness she doesn't.

I had suspected Tom would be at the Bone Tree for a while. When Caitlin didn't immediately find him I thought I must have been wrong or that Forrest had already moved him again. The chapter style with time running linearly and then parallel action was conducive to that having happened and we would learn of it soon. Tom's discovery after she was shot had several "advantages" Harold couldn't spill the beans to Forrest, and it underscored something that must have been the case, how terribly dark it was inside the tree. After Caitlin was inside it seemed less dark somehow that was the reality.

Carol/Bonadie wrote: "When Caitlin got shot I at first thought it was a dart gun, as with Melba, because Harold said something like "You're going to thank me for this." I thought he was going to drag her out of there because she was making too much noise..."


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Carol: Yes, it was starting to be unrealistic that Caitlin (and Tom) were able to survive so much danger, and after the way Iles put her and Penn in Brody Royal's hands especially. Now it is settling in that she is gone I am adapting, and perhaps that is even one of the points that Greg Iles is making. (or leading the reader to learn on their own)
Something like this wrenching and multiple life changing loss is such an abrupt notice that we really have no control and sometimes our luck just runs out. Coming from a man who had the horrific accident to recover from in real life perhaps that is the point.

Carol/Bonadie wrote: "I am not a big fan of killing off characters you've lived with over multiple books, but on the other hand I really feel that Penn, Caitlin and Tom have all put themselves in such dangerous situations time and time again, that it just seems a matter of time before something really awful happens to one of them. It's almost unrealistic that they keep escaping without serious injury. "


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Yes, true for this UOOOR too, Carol. Pithy Nolan is quite a character and the brief glimpses we get of her in both books add nuance to each appearance; and again I find myself wishing I could meet this woman and visit her home and hear stories. I am tempted to go back and read about her again in Natchez Burning as I recall a bit too fuzzily some of her actions in that book, but remember her fondly.

Her character and the details surrounding her are another indication that this trilogy is one big ginormous book that is being broken into three parts and that a master storyteller has been editing and putting together with great care (even as we still think some of the JFK detail is quite wordy)

Carol/Bonadie wrote: "I had forgotten about Pithy, so glad she is there to provide a hideaway fro Tom and Walt.

The re-introduction of Pithy was one of those scenes where I was really glad I'd read Natchez Burning first..."



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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Carol: I was glad I generally wrote my short comments on each chapter as finished it (one by one as I read) as notes on my phone rather than listening to five or six chapters then going back to summarize. I also summarized a few chapters here before completing the full set knowing I was first to post and wouldn't see a spoiler (this was one full set of pages!)
In that manner I captured my initial reactions before I realized what happened at the Bone Tree and I was able to comment here with my knowledge building in understanding and eventual horror and surprise.
I was tempted to temper what I said later but didn't. The too stupid to live moments were still TSTL.


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Yes, I agree that the JFK detail is being laid out for a reason, and now that we're done with the immersion into it, which I found really tiresome, I can look from a distance and appreciate that Iles knows what he's doing and will bring it all home in the last book.

This series is such a tour de force. Not just the three in this trilogy but the overall overall series involving Penn Cage and his family. I can't think of another m/t series that compares. I do not read either the Outlander or Game of Throne series, and don't think I ever will, but they must similarly require incredibly plotting skills.

Her character and the details surrounding her are another indication that this trilogy is one big ginormous book that is being broken into three parts and that a master storyteller has been editing and putting together with great care (even as we still think some of the JFK detail is quite wordy) ..."


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I saw where you were breaking the summaries into a couple of posts; didn't realize you were posting them before you finished. That is the way to do it with a BFB like this one. I also like that you kept it short when the detail wasn't needed (e.g. "Penn and Annie at home."

I'm surprised Barry hasn't chimed in by now; he must have trouble finding a free copy.

Ann wrote: "Carol: I was glad I generally wrote my short comments on each chapter as finished it (one by one as I read) as notes on my phone rather than listening to five or six chapters then going back to su..."


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Carol:
Agreed, that was the only way to do it with a big fat book like this one! Each day was so intense that I would have been overwhelmed with the way the day ended by the time I needed to post comments and with so many chapters in each day the entire experience was almost like my heart was beating faster with adrenaline pumping as if I could help the characters (or yell at them) (or cry with them)
Carol/Bonadie wrote: "I saw where you were breaking the summaries into a couple of posts; didn't realize you were posting them before you finished. That is the way to do it with a BFB like this one."


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Just to think that in the course of 3-4 days Caitlin and Penn were kidnapped and tortured and watched two guys immolate themselves, and then had all the rest of the events in The Bone Tree happen to them. Penn is going to need to rest up before Book 3; I know Iles is going to put him through his paces a third time. He really is hard on his characters, LOL!


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Sherry  | 3569 comments Ann wrote: "Note to Carol - be careful if you decide to post early on this segment before you read all of the remaining Friday chapters. These are doozies."

well, i just finished chapter 66 and just want to slap caitlin upside the head. what is she thinking going off with that kid? how does she know he's going to actually take her to the bone tree? another TSTL moment from her.


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Sherry wrote: "well, i just finished chapter 66 and just want to slap caitlin upside the head. what is she thinking going off with that kid? how does she know he's going to actually take her to the bone tree? another TSTL moment from her.
..."


Yup.


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Sherry  | 3569 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "Another drive-by posting. I had to LOL when Iles has Caitlin (I think it's her) talk about TSTL (Too Stupid to Live) actions on her part. Has he been reading our posts, LOL?

Anyway, he was readi..."


LOL, same here, carol. i'm glad that she acknowledged that she was TSTL in many situations, but mostly the last one.


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Sherry  | 3569 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "OH NO!!!!"

my sentiments exactly.


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Sherry  | 3569 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "This section is also going along like gangbusters. The coordinated attack by Forrest Knox read like an action movie. I almost felt sorry for Sonny when his time came. Ironic that it seemed to be..."

i finally couldn't turn the pages fast enough to see what was going to happen- and actually felt out of breath a few times! so much going on and so many bad guys who all keep turning on each other. geeze, how did iles ever keep them straight ;)?


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Sherry  | 3569 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "I was doing pretty well skipping reading the spoilers so I didn't see this until i finished the section today. Wow. I am so sad at the loss of Caitlin. I am not a big fan of killing off characte..."

i am glad i didn't know about caitlin before it happened, too. i totally agree with you- with all the TSTL things they've all been doing, i was surprised that something really bad didn't happen before this.


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Sherry  | 3569 comments Ann wrote: "Carol: I thought the same thing, that it must be a dart or something, never dreaming she was gunshot. I thought it was going to be something intended to put her out unconscious and I was screaming ..."

i was thinking that it was a dart, too- wishful thinking on our parts?
and i never expected tom to be at the bone tree- good speculation, ann.
now talk about too many TSTL moments, tom had quite a few of them also. probably more than caitlyn did.


message 33: by Ann (last edited Jun 23, 2015 08:08PM) (new)

Ann (annrumsey) | 14205 comments Sherry: I still remember how on edge I felt while reading the book, this segment particularly. I was galloping at top reading speed by the ending.
Sherry wrote: "i finally couldn't turn the pages fast enough to see what was going to happen- and actually felt out of breath a few times! so much going on and so many bad guys who all keep turning on each other. geeze, how did iles ever keep them straight ;)? "


message 34: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I was waiting to hear from you once you got to this point, Sherry! Quite a shocker.


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