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Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments This segment is for Thursday and chapters 18-32.
The first to post could please summarize this segment to guide the discussion.


message 2: by Ann (new)

Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments Now it is Thursday as we continue to catch up with our characters, these days sure are action packed in Mississippi and Louisiana!
short chapter summaries to guide the discussions:

Chapter 18 Penn goes along with Sheriff Walker Dennis and his deputies on a Meth bust to put pressure on the Knox family. All goes well until the last stop erupts in chaos and the tragic death of one of the deputies, it was booby-trapped

Chapter 19 Forrest Knox is at home and hears of the meth busts. We see Caitlin and there is a confrontation with Sheriff Billy Byrd. Tom awakes

Chapter 20 FBI agent John Kaiser is furious over the meth busts and the fiasco. He has news for Penn about the rifles recovered in the ruins of Brody Royal's burned home.

Chapter 21 Forrest makes plans for a press conference and Walt, breaks into his home and leaves his own derringer, the murder weapon of a cop killer hidden in the house.

Chapter 22 Caitlin sees Mrs. Sexton at the Examiner - she brought Caitlin a letter from Henry, Henry shares some of his research with Caitlin, because if she is reading this, he is no longer living. Frank Knox had "something on" Marcello, a letter or a document in a foreign language - Russian?
Caitlin continues to keep Henry's last moleskin notebook a secret from Kaiser (this secret-keeping annoys me) and a young ambitious reporter from Alabama is going to investigate Viola's death.

Chapter 23 Penn makes the rounds, he visits Shad Johnson the DA, then Agent Kaiser. He won't listen to Kaiser, reluctantly he will see his old friend, retired FBI Agent Dwight Stone at 6 PM, Stone is dying. Dr. Drew Elliott and nurse Melba Price give Penn news of Tom. They treated the wounded Tom, nursed him and helped him. Penn goes looking for him, they don't know where he is now.

Chapter 24 Walt Garrity and Mac (State police Colonel) discuss Mac's limited options after Forrest's false porn leak to ruin him
Tom waked up at Quintin Avery's house feeling "better" and reminiscing. Lawyer Quintin and wife Doris will be leaving Tom alone, they are not going to give up their law licenses.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments We are still catching up on the last book because the events are generally a direct result of that book's actions and ending. I like how Iles is doing that, he eases us into a segment with a familiar sounding character and gives subtle clues as to how they are involved.
Forrest's character is a not so subtle reveal of just how evil and self involved he is, no one is safe around him if they get in his way.
After chapter 25 particularly I want to scream at Caitlin for not opening up to John Kaiser or Penn (or each other) with what they know.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments Chapter 25 Caitlin finds private time to read Henry's notes which contain Bone Tree history. Slaves called it the chain tree (I am picturing this tree vaguely in my mind with a looming sense of horror) It is purported to be a bald cypress tree and a Florida specimen is documented to be 3500 years old, (from the redwood family), the tree could have been around as long as rumored. Caitlin finally gets Henry's informant on the phone and will pay big $$ to go to the Bone Tree in the morning at 6:30 am

Chapter 26 Penn looks for Tom and Dr Drew's house and finds blood on the ground. Deputies come to take him in (one is the hostage that Tom took and let go) Oddly Lincoln Turner saves Penn, his motive unknown.

Chapter 27 Claude Devereux is dispatched to tell Forrest to tell Snake to come in and meet with Sheriff Walker Dennis. Devereux is nervous and in trouble with suspicious Forrest who now plans to release the most damning evidence against Mac, the male prostitutes who will lie about him.

Chapter 28 Penn and Caitlin are finally together a bit (nine days before the wedding date)

Chapter 29 Walt is at Valhalla, the hunting camp, and is trapped upstairs when Forrest and the others arrive. Forrest determines that Snake, Sonny and Billy will meet with Sheriff Dennis, they will not throw gas on the fire, but he will get rid of Colonel MacKiever. Snake is particularly venomous about Tom, I am not sure what makes his hatred so much more intense. Forrest is working Snake and Sonny's and other Double Eagles' appearance for questioning on the meth busts to gain time and plans to take Sheriff Dennis out of the way. Unfortunately Walt can't hear this and has no cell signal anyway (blocked by Forrest)

Chapter 30 A new safe house for Annie and Peggy. Lincoln is on attack on the radio and Penn sleeps.

Chapter 31 Tom and Melba are at Quintin Avery's house, she brought Tom vital medications; Caitlin finds where Tom is through a reporter.

Chapter 32 Dwight Stone is gravely ill, Penn sees him out of past respect and friendship but is very skeptical of the assertions that Dwight Stone knows who killed JFK in Dallas. There is a lot of detail in this chapter about the Kennedy assassination, Oswald, rifles, ammunition capabilities, magic bullets, Castro connections, the Oliver Stone film. I need to watch it again.


message 5: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I know, this secret-keeping has annoyed me from the beginning. If Caitlin had just turned over Henry's moleskins to Kaiser when he asked the first time we wouldn't be in this predicament, LOL! If these characters only would listen to us, right? ;-)

Ann wrote: "Caitlin continues to keep Henry's last moleskin notebook a secret from Kaiser (this secret-keeping annoys me) ..."


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I figured someone would come along to rescue Penn, it was too early for him to be taken hostage by anyone. But I sure didn't expect Lincoln! I thought maybe he's come around to Penn's side, but later when we hear him ranting on the radio I was disabused of that notion...


Ann wrote: "Chapter 26 Penn looks for Tom and Dr Drew's house and finds blood on the ground. Deputies come to take him in (one is the hostage that Tom took and let go) Oddly Lincoln Turner saves Penn, his motive unknown...."


message 7: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments My eyes started to glaze over with all the details about bullets and trajectories and the like. I keep wondering where Iles hopes to wind up with this. Is he really spinning an alternate theory to the Lee Harvey Oswald assassination scenario???

Ann wrote: "There is a lot of detail in this chapter about the Kennedy assassination, Oswald, rifles, ammunition capabilities, magic bullets, Castro connections, the Oliver Stone film. I need to watch it again. .."


message 8: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Am I the only one who thinks Billy (Snake's son) is on the fence about all these machinations by Forrest? He seems more reasonable than the rest of those crazies.


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Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I am getting a little tired of all this house-swapping; Penn, Peggy and Annie run from house to house; Tom indepedently does the same. C'mon, people!

I am REALLY nervous for Walt stuck in the house with Snake and company unaware that he is hiding upstairs. How is he going to get out of there?1?!/!


message 10: by Ann (new)

Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments I know what you mean, Carol! Why won't these characters listen to us, or each other!!
Walt being this close to Forrest really makes me nervous and I made note of some of the audio tracks for the JFK theory details in case I need to refer back. My eyes/ears were glazing over listening. Iles is really passionate about the subject.
On a personal note, in April 2015 we went to Dallas for a hockey game, the last Predators regular season game against the Stars and the group we traveled with drove a few of us down to Dealy Plaza where JFK was shot. I can now more vividly picture the Texas Book Depository and the grassy knoll, and the chilling mark on the pavement of the road on the exact spot where Kennedy was shot. That experience has added dimension to this narrative of a possible scenario.
I wasn't expecting the full JFK angle, but I think I sort of "get" what Iles is going after.


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Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments Carol: I thought Henry Sexton's Mother's interaction with Caitlin was moving. I hated that Henry's character didn't make it.
I don't completely get the passion Caitlin has for a big story "at all costs", but I admire Henry particularly for his courage and drive to find and report the truths about the Double Eagles.


message 12: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments I've never been to Texas but one of my BFFs was there for a conference and she described the experience of visiting the Texas Book Depository and Dealy Plaza. I had forgotten this while I was listening, and found myself wondering if the name was kept or changed. What a stigma.

This revisiting of the Kennedy assassination has me remembering my experience of it (I was 9) and wondering about the conversations my parents must have had about this devastating event.

I'm also remembering our group read of 11/22/63. This event has captured the imagination of more than one novelist, and we are being immersed in it again!

Ann wrote: "That experience has added dimension to this narrative of a possible scenario.
I wasn't expecting the full JFK angle, but I think I sort of "get" what Iles is going after. ..."



message 13: by Ann (new)

Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments Carol: think of all the JFK assassination research that Stephen King, Greg Iles and other authors have done. It must have been hard to edit those portions of this book.


message 14: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Ann, I'm kind of getting bogged down in the assassination detail. I'm actually past this section so I'll wait to post--or maybe I'll do that sneak attack posting where I don't look at anything, LOL.

I think Iles needs to write a book on what is factual and what is fictional about his assassination scenario, LOL.

Ann wrote: "Carol: think of all the JFK assassination research that Stephen King, Greg Iles and other authors have done. It must have been hard to edit those portions of this book."


message 15: by Sherry (new)

Sherry  | 3568 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "I know, this secret-keeping has annoyed me from the beginning. If Caitlin had just turned over Henry's moleskins to Kaiser when he asked the first time we wouldn't be in this predicament, LOL! If..."

i'm with both of you- it's totally annoying. think what they could accomplish if they put their heads together.


message 16: by Sherry (new)

Sherry  | 3568 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "Ann, I'm kind of getting bogged down in the assassination detail. I'm actually past this section so I'll wait to post--or maybe I'll do that sneak attack posting where I don't look at anything, LO..."

oh amen to that. i am finding this part of the book a little tedious to read.
plus, i'm exhausted from what caitlin and penn have been through.


message 17: by Ann (new)

Ann (annrumsey) | 14202 comments Sherry: I listened to the speculative assassination details with half an ear. It helped to skim past some of that. I get that Iles was deeply impacted by his research, but editing could have trimmed it down.


message 18: by Sherry (new)

Sherry  | 3568 comments Ann wrote: "Sherry: I listened to the speculative assassination details with half an ear. It helped to skim past some of that. I get that Iles was deeply impacted by his research, but editing could have trimme..."

i skimmed through a lot of it- i totally agree about the editing. plus, i was actually hoping something would happen to stone so he couldn't finish his story..lol


message 19: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Oh now that is just wicked, LOL!!

Sherry wrote: "
i skimmed through a lot of it- i totally agree about the editing. plus, i was actually hoping something would happen to stone so he couldn't finish his story..lol ..."



message 20: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Sherry wrote: "i'm with both of you- it's totally annoying. think what they could accomplish if they put their heads together. ..."

I never thought of that but you're right. And they could have saved us a lot of aggro, lol.


message 21: by Sherry (new)

Sherry  | 3568 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "Oh now that is just wicked, LOL!!

Sherry wrote: "
i skimmed through a lot of it- i totally agree about the editing. plus, i was actually hoping something would happen to stone so he couldn't fini..."


LOL, i know, i know but it was just so tedious to read- at least to me. could have been much shorter and still gotten the point across..


message 22: by Carol/Bonadie (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Sherry wrote: "
LOL, i know, i know but it was just so tedious to read- at least to me. could have been much shorter and still gotten the point across.. ..."


As you read I agreed with you 100% I want to go out on a limb and say that after the mind numbing recounting in the hotel room I think it gets better...


message 23: by Sherry (new)

Sherry  | 3568 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "Sherry wrote: "
LOL, i know, i know but it was just so tedious to read- at least to me. could have been much shorter and still gotten the point across.. ..."

As you read I agreed with you 100% I..."


good to hear, carol. at this point, i am underwhelmed. it seems like it's taking a long time to get to the "meat" of the story. there just seems to be a lot of action that's taking a long time to get where it's going. it can only go up from here :)


message 24: by Carol/Bonadie (last edited Jun 21, 2015 08:00PM) (new)

Carol/Bonadie (bonadie) | 7784 comments Sherry, I promise you, there will be a point at which things really start to pick up..

You'll know it when you get there.


message 25: by Sherry (new)

Sherry  | 3568 comments Carol/Bonadie wrote: "Sherry, I promise you, there will be a point at which things really start to pick up..

You'll know it when you get there."


i think i'm there,carol. :)
finally. seemed to really take a looooooong time though.


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