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Should The Theory of Evolution be Taught in Schools?
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Rhyleigh wrote: "how does it apply to everyone if they don't believe in it? if they refuse to acknowledge it (which yes I do but that's a different discussion) then they won't learn anything relevant to them. or an..."
Let me make an example. Joe Biden is currently the president, the presidential list is taught in school. But since I don't believe the president is a real thing, I'm ignoring it. It's actually just an Illuminati propaganda tactic to scare the adults like the boogeyman did the kids.
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Interesting thoughts. Why do you think the president isn't a real thing?
CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "オールマイト wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "how does it apply to everyone if they don't believe in it? if they refuse to acknowledge it (which yes I do but that's a different discussion) then they won't learn ..."
I was kidding about it, It was an example towards evolution theory. If one doesn't believe in it, they can ignore it, doesn't mean it isn't still gonna be there. Make sense?
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Ahhh yes, that makes sense. Sorry for not getting the joke before 😅
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All good! People can ignore theories, sure, I understand but I feel they should be taught in schools merely because it helps brains think in more complex and abstract ways.
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Absolutely!
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Because many people who do not believe in evolution (for example, most Christians) don't want their kids being taught that, because they don't believe it's true. Whereas most atheist parents don't want their kids to be taught things that aren't scientifically proven. So the debate is pretty much about how to find a balance.
I don't have a problem with it... depends though. Like, if the teachers are saying blatant stuff, not being inclusive, or it makes anyone uncomfortable then it should be fixed.
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I think any type of teaching of religions and/or beliefs, no matter if it's "right" should be taught in schools, it's still a level of indoctrination.
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agreed!
I think evolution should be taught in schools, because it has a LOT of evidence supporting it. Creationism has very, very little evidence supporting it from my research, and so I don't see why it should be taught. School is meant to educate people, and evolution is the most scientific explanation that explains the variety of all the species we see today.
bibliophile [semi ia][no longer accepting frqs] wrote: "I don’t think it should be taught as FACT tho. It is only a theory after all"Well you can't prove any theory unless its in math, so definitely lol. I think students shouldn't just be told 'this is what happens and it is the only possibility', because its important to think about other theories that could explain this stuff, especially in cosmology (The Big Bang theory)
I have been searching truth for 26 years now, I will tell you what I know; Religion was given to the Gentiles, it is in the centre of the court, it is of vital importance to Homo sapience and Homo erectus or gentiles and beasts if you like. However, in saying that, one must know that religions are doctrines of error because the Roman empire started by Constantine 1688 years ago, invented it based on Baal. This needs to be corrected because it is not entirely wrong, it needs a very small tweak, Yet the damage done by the ignorance of the Romans is astronomical. Humanity has not evolved correctly, in fact most have an infant mentality as result. Christianity is a codependent system. As for evolution, it is 100% correct, but the hominids of Earth were stuck in a loop i.e. in darkness or unconscious for millions of years until there was interference for an advanced race. Humanity was given an upgrade by introducing an extra terrestrial egg. There were 7 kinds of homos who received this gift. The Bible/gnosis confirms this as does mitochondria. Furthermore; the creation of Adam and Eve introducer a royal bloodline of blue eyed people meant to teach humans how to use their gift. Earth evolved homos are saturated with carbon 12 in their melanin... to varying degrees giving them dark skin and brown eyes. The darker the eyes, the more carbon. Blue eyed people have very little of this dust of Earth (carbon 12 = 666) because they were created form scratch i.e. genetically modified. Our book Where To From Here: Cognition explains all this and so much more. I hope this helps and you must research everything I say to verify it for yourself. Shalom.
the darker the eyes the more carbon....wait till he finds out the composition of the human body...
how many people who don't believe in evolution/don't believe evolution should be taught in school are homeschooled/attended a religious school?
bibliophile [semi ia][no longer accepting frqs] wrote: "I don’t think it should be taught as FACT tho. It is only a theory after all"^^ agree! it is the most prominent and realistic theory, schools have a duty to educate, so they must educate on this topic and do it correctly, saying that this is the most widely researched, supported, and accepted theory, however we cannot confirm! that's it!
also just to clarify, everyone knows that the theory doesn't say that humans came from monkeys right? it says we shared a common ancestor, we split into different genetic lines, no monkey gave birth one day and was oh damn human baby
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Unfortunately everyone does not know that 😭 I was just talking to a lady tho though evolution was dinos magically turning into birds and dogs giving birth to rabbits
also evolution doesn’t just suddenly happen, it’s a slow and gradual process. a common misconception is that it randomly happens immediately
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yeah, I think that's why so many people don't believe in it. They think it happens immediately, like *poof* and you've adapted, but it can take place over millions of years.
I'm not a scientist but from what I've seen, there's quite a lot of evidence for a creationist view of science that is often overlooked as "religion." I think schools should present the evidence and let kids come to their own conclusion. After all, shouldn't the point of education be to teach kids critical thinking skills, not WHAT to think?
and another misconception is that traits gained during life are somehow passed onto offspring? evolution happens when selective pressures cause certain members of species to die before reaching reproductive age, so those genes aren’t passed on. it doesn’t mean what you do in life will affect the traits your children have.of course epigenetic markers, modifications to dna that happen throughout life, can be passed down but this is rare and doesn’t count as evolution since it’s not a change to the actual base sequence.
i personally think schools should teach evolution better because it’s really not a controversial theory if you know it correctly and there is a lot of evidence
@faithcould you share some of this evidence if you don’t mind?
well this is a super broad topic lol where do you want to start lol ill do as best i can
just a couple examples so i can understand what you’re referring to
well to start, where did the first life come from? if one cell is so complex, what are the odds that it would just appear?
there are actually scientific theories for that! there are three theories.
protocell-first theory:
a theory that cell like compartments (like vesicles you see in cells) occurred spontaneously with basic metabolic functions. these ‘cells’ wouldn’t have had genes but they would have been able to grow and decide before acquiring genetic material.
gene-first theory:
this theory states that nucleic acids that could replicate themselves (there is a bit of evidence behind this one and it’s backed by another theory called the RNA world theory) spontaneously developed and eventually evolution would have led to genetic variation.
the last theory is the metabolism-first theory:
basically states that life originated from a system of self sustaining chemical reactions and is the most likely since life processes need energy
there’s also the primordial soup theory which explains how organic compounds likely came into existence and the endosymbiotic theory which provides a likely explanation for how complex membrane bound organelles came to exist
so to clarify, evolution believes that it spontaneously developed?
to clarify in biology and chemistry spontaneous doesn’t mean randomly it means without a constant supply of energy. also as i said this is why scientists support the theory that states metabolism came first since many life functions do need energy
and evolution is not spontaneous i’m talking about theories explaining ways the first cell could have emerged
faith, do you have any evidence supporting your claim?
My claim is that from everything we have observed, every designer has a Designer and every creation has a Creator. You don't have to be a scientist to understand that, it just makes sense.
Faith wrote: "I'm not a scientist but from what I've seen, there's quite a lot of evidence for a creationist view of science that is often overlooked as "religion." I think schools should present the evidence an..."I've studied both theories a lot, and I haven't seen much evidence for creationism? Idk maybe im just looking in the wrong places loll
every cause has something or someone that caused it. why does that apply to everything except how the world came to be?
fatty acids are amphipathic so they naturally form bilayers and vesicles in water, which can explain the first theory.the RNA world theory explains the second theory. RNA world basically states that molecules which are now replaced by a more stable system (dna and proteins) were the first genetic information. these molecules are called ribozymes and basically were RNA that could act as enzymes. the strongest evidence for this is the fact that transcription is catalyzed by RNA. more evidence is that rna can be assembled spontaneously from nucleotides and can replicate itself.
and for the last theory i’d have to go into thermodynamics which is very complicated but chemical reactions and systems of chemical reactions can occur spontaneously. whether it can occur spontaneously or not is determined by the amount of energy free to use for work, also known as gibbs energy
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