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message 1: by Kevin (last edited Apr 04, 2015 01:03PM) (new)

Kevin Xu (kxu65) | 1081 comments http://www.tor.com/blogs/2015/04/2015...

BEST NOVEL (1827 ballots)
Ancillary Sword by Ann Leckie (Orbit US; Orbit UK)
The Dark Between the Stars by Kevin J. Anderson (Tor Books)
The Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison (Sarah Monette) (Tor Books)
Lines of Departure by Marko Kloos (47North)
Skin Game by Jim Butcher (Roc Books)

BEST NOVELLA (1083 ballots)
Big Boys Don’t Cry by Tom Kratman (Castalia House)
“Flow” by Arlan Andrews, Sr. (Analog, Nov 2014)
One Bright Star to Guide Them by John C. Wright (Castalia House)
“Pale Realms of Shade” by John C. Wright (The Book of Feasts & Seasons, Castalia House)
“The Plural of Helen of Troy” by John C. Wright (City Beyond Time: Tales of the Fall of Metachronopolis, Castalia House)

BEST NOVELETTE (1031 ballots)
“Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust, Earth to Alluvium” by Gray Rinehart (Orson Scott Card’s InterGalactic Medicine Show, May 2014)
“Championship B’tok” by Edward M Lerner (Analog, Sept 2014)
“The Journeyman: In the Stone House” by Michael F. Flynn (Analog, June 2014)
“The Triple Sun: A Golden Age Tale” by Rajnar Vajra (Analog, Jul/Aug 2014)
“Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus” by John C. Wright (The Book of Feasts & Seasons, Castalia House)

SHORT STORY (1174 ballots)
“Goodnight Stars” by Annie Bellet (The End is Now (Apocalypse Triptych Book 2), Broad Reach Publishing)
“On A Spiritual Plain” by Lou Antonelli (Sci Phi Journal #2, Nov 2014)
“The Parliament of Beasts and Birds” by John C. Wright (The Book of Feasts & Seasons, Castalia House)
“Totaled” by Kary English (Galaxy’s Edge magazine, July 2014)
“Turncoat” by Steve Rzasa (Riding the Red Horse, Castalia House)

BEST RELATED WORK (1150 ballots)
“The Hot Equations: Thermodynamics and Military SF” by Ken Burnside (Riding the Red Horse, Castalia House)
Letters from Gardner by Lou Antonelli (The Merry Blacksmith Press)
Transhuman and Subhuman: Essays on Science Fiction and Awful Truth by Adam Pepper (Castalia House)
“Why Science is Never Settled” by Tedd Roberts (Baen.com)
Wisdom from my Internet by Michael Z. Williamson (Patriarchy Press)

BEST GRAPHIC STORY (785 ballots)
Ms. Marvel, Vol. 1: No Normal written by G. Willow Wilson, illustrated by Adrian Alphona and Jake Wyatt, (Marvel Comics)
Rat Queens Volume 1: Sass and Sorcery written by Kurtis J. Wiebe, art by Roc Upchurch (Image Comics)
Zombie Nation Book #2: Reduce Reuse Reanimate by Carter Reid (The Zombie Nation)
Saga, Volume 3 written by Brian K. Vaughan, illustrated by Fiona Staples (Image Comics)
Sex Criminals, Vol. 1: One Weird Trick written by Matt Fraction, art by Chip Zdarsky (Image Comics)

DRAMATIC PRESENTATION (LONG FORM) (1285 ballots)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier screenplay by Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely, concept and story by Ed Brubaker, directed by Anthony Russo and Joe Russo ((Marvel Entertainment, Perception, Sony Pictures Imageworks)
Edge of Tomorrow screenplay by Christopher McQuarrie, Jez Butterworth, and John-Henry Butterworth, directed by Doug Liman (Village Roadshow; RatPac-Dune Entertainment; 3 Arts Entertainment; Viz Productions)
Guardians of the Galaxy written by James Gunn and Nicole Perlman, directed by James Gunn (Marvel Studios, Moving Picture Company)
Interstellar screenplay by Jonathan Nolan and Christopher Nolan, directed by Christopher Nolan (Paramount Pictures, as Warner Bros. Pictures, Legendary Pictures, Lynda Obst Productions, Syncopy)
The Lego Movie written by Phil Lord & Christopher Miller, story by Dan Hageman, Kevin Hageman, Phil Lord & Christopher Miller, directed by Phil Lord & Christopher Miller (Warner Bros. Pictures, Village Roadshow Pictures, RatPac-Dune Entertainment, LEGO System A/S, Vertigo Entertainment, Lin Pictures, Warner Bros. Animation (as Warner Animation Group))

DRAMATIC PRESENTATION (SHORT FORM) (938 ballots)
Doctor Who: “Listen” written by Steven Moffat directed by Douglas Mackinnon (BBC Television)
The Flash: “Pilot” teleplay by Andrew Kreisberg & Geoff Johns, story by Greg Berlanti, Andrew Kreisberg & Geoff Johns, directed by David Nutter (The CW; Berlanti Productions, DC Entertainment, Warner Bros. Television)
Game of Thrones: “The Mountain and the Viper” written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss, directed by Alex Graves ((HBO Entertainment in association with Bighead, Littlehead; Television 360; Startling Television and Generator Productions)
Grimm: “Once We Were Gods” written by Alan DiFiore, directed by Steven DePaul (NBC; GK Productions, Hazy Mills Productions, Universal TV)
Orphan Black: “By Means Which Have Never Yet Been Tried”written by Graham Manson, directed by John Fawcett (Temple Street Productions, Space/BBC America)

BEST EDITOR (SHORT FORM) (870 ballots)
Jennifer Brozek
Vox Day
Mike Resnick
Edmund R. Schubert
Bryan Thomas Schmidt

BEST EDITOR (LONG FORM) (712 ballots)
Vox Day
Sheila Gilbert
Jim Minz
Anne Sowards
Toni Weisskopf

BEST PROFESSIONAL ARTIST (753 ballots)
Julie Dillon
Jon Eno
Nick Greenwood
Alan Pollack
Carter Reid

BEST SEMIPROZINE (660 ballots)
Abyss & Apex, Wendy Delmater editor and publisher
Andromeda Spaceways In-Flight Magazine, Andromeda Spaceways Publishing Association Incorporated, 2014 editors David Kernot and Sue Bursztynski
Lightspeed Magazine, edited by John Joseph Adams, Stefan Rudnicki, Rich Horton, Wendy N. Wagner, and Christie Yant
Beneath Ceaseless Skies, edited by Scott H. Andrews
Strange Horizons, Niall Harrison Editor-in-Chief

BEST FANZINE (576 ballots)
Black Gate edited by John O’Neill
Elitist Book Reviews edited by Steve Diamond
Journey Planet edited by James Bacon, Chris Garcia, Alissa McKersie, Colin Harris and Helen Montgomery
The Revenge of Hump Day edited by Tim Bolgeo
Tangent SF Online edited by Dave Truesdale

BEST FANCAST (668 ballots)
Adventures in SF Publishing Brent Bower (Executive Producer), Kristi Charish, Timothy C. Ward & Moses Siregar III (Co-Hosts, Interviewers and Producers)
Dungeon Crawlers Radio Daniel Swenson (Producer/Host), Travis Alexander & Scott Tomlin (Hosts), Dale Newton (Host/Tech), Damien Swenson (Audio/Video Tech)
Galactic Suburbia Podcast Alisa Krasnostein, Alexandra Pierce, Tansy Rayner Roberts (Presenters) and Andrew Finch (Producer)
The Sci Phi Show Jason Rennie
Tea and Jeopardy Emma Newman & Peter Newman

BEST FAN WRITER (777 ballots)
Dave Freer
Amanda S. Green
Jeffro Johnson
Laura J. Mixon
Cedar Sanderson

BEST FAN ARTIST (296 ballots)
Ninni Aalto
Brad Foster
Elizabeth Leggett
Spring Schoenhuth
Steve Stiles
CAMPBELL AWARD FOR BEST NEW WRITER (851 ballots)

Award for the best new professional science fiction or fantasy writer of 2013 or 2014, sponsored by Dell Magazines (not a Hugo Award).
Wesley Chu *
Jason Cordova
Kary English *
Rolf Nelson
Eric. S. Raymond
*Finalists in their 2nd year of eligibility.


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Sean O'Hara (SeanOHara) | 2347 comments Congratulations to the Sad Puppies for proving their point -- the Hugos are a joke.


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Jo | 8 comments omg Vox Day twice??


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Kevin Xu (kxu65) | 1081 comments And John C. Wright is nominated 5 times, 3 times in the best novella category. He is a shoe in to win that.


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Brendan (mistershine) | 928 comments No Annihilation?


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Stephanie (einahpets_reads) | 90 comments No Annihilation OR City of Stairs? I am sad / surprised. Also was really hoping S&L would make the fancast category...


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Alex Ristea (alexristea) | 654 comments barf


message 8: by Brendan (last edited Apr 04, 2015 02:55PM) (new)

Brendan (mistershine) | 928 comments I liked to use Hugo winners as a place to find good books that I haven't read, but if I looked at this list I would conclude 2014 must have been an awful year for SF, when the opposite is true. Quite misleading.


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Rob (robzak) | 5654 comments Mod
I guess I don't follow close enough to know who the controversial people are. Something to do with "slate" voting I guess.

There are of course a lot of books I enjoyed more last year, but Skin Game was up there for me, so that's nice to see. Although I don't think that's the best of that series.

Everyone's tastes always vary though. I don't spend much time worrying if I like the same things as them.


message 10: by Lindsay (new)

Lindsay | 593 comments Butcher was on the SP3 slate.

John C. Wright is the guy who described the ending of the Legend of Korra as an aberration and a perversion. Vox Day is the guy who described N.K. Jemisin as an ignorant half-savage and has stated that women's rights are an abomination. That's 5 nominations to Wright and 2 nominations to Vox Day on this ballot.


message 11: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 5654 comments Mod
Lindsay wrote: "Butcher was on the SP3 slate..."

I don't know what that means, but I'd be surprised if Butcher was in favor of it.

Now that you point him out, I see that Wright has a ton of stuff nominated.

I don't really read much short form stuff, so i just skimmed those sections for authors I know/like.

I'm terrible with names though. So I've probably heard of those two before and promptly forgotten them. I likely wouldn't have read there stuff anyways, even if they weren't awful human beings.


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Wastrel | 184 comments Yes, there are many people in the world who are wrong about many things. The solution to this is not to make sure they cannot be heard, but to get them as wide a hearing as possible and then present your own, better, alternative.

The people voting for these guys are a sizeable part of fandom, and they're very passionate, and they're getting organised. So it's good and right and proper that their tastes are recognised through nominations. (up to the point where the nominated works are so intolerant as to actually be criminal, at least).

It's also worth pointing out that it's much easier to get nominated than it is to actually win. And the downside of their organised voting is that they create a sizeable backlash that will probably cripple their chances of winning - many people will vote against them purely on principle.


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Lindsay | 593 comments Brad Torgersen, one of the beneficiaries of last year's Sad Puppies voting slate by Larry Correia, took over the running of Sad Puppies this year calling it Sad Puppies 3. The stated intent is to get nominees on the Hugo ballot with broad reader appeal because the Hugos had become a concentration of literary-leaning left wing "message fiction". There was also a parallel voting slate that Vox Day was running called Rabid Puppies.


message 14: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 5654 comments Mod
Looks like i09 has an article up about it that explains it well for me at least.

http://io9.com/the-hugo-awards-were-a...


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Olivia (oliviayoungers) | 115 comments Lindsay wrote: "Brad Torgersen, one of the beneficiaries of last year's Sad Puppies voting slate by Larry Correia, took over the running of Sad Puppies this year calling it Sad Puppies 3. The stated intent is to g..."

"with broad reader appeal"

Except that the guys complicit in sad puppies don't HAVE broad reader appeal as far as I know em. I honestly haven't read any of wright's works and knowing his behavior now I'm inclined never to.


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Lindsay | 593 comments Olivia wrote: "Except that the guys complicit in sad puppies don't HAVE broad reader appeal as far as I know em. I honestly haven't read any of wright's works and knowing his behavior now I'm inclined never to. "

Absolutely. Don't construe my comment as support. I think what they've done is abominable and will change the Hugo Awards fundamentally: either by forcing the Hugo committee to remove associate memberships completely or by forcing the fan community to create an anti-SP voting slate.


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Olivia (oliviayoungers) | 115 comments Kevin wrote: "http://www.tor.com/blogs/2015/04/2015...

BEST NOVEL (1827 ballots)
Ancillary Sword by Ann Leckie (Orbit US; Orbit UK)
[book:The Dark Between the ..."


*blink*

Wisdom from my Internet by Michael Z. Williamson (Patriarchy Press)

What?


message 18: by Wastrel (last edited Apr 05, 2015 03:23AM) (new)

Wastrel | 184 comments Lindsay wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Except that the guys complicit in sad puppies don't HAVE broad reader appeal as far as I know em. I honestly haven't read any of wright's works and knowing his behavior now I'm incli..."

Or, rather than get mad at the SPs or take away memberships or anything, you could just change the nomination system to STV. Or, basically, ANYTHING other than bloc voting. Because this is exactly what bloc voting is designed to create: bloc voting promotes the formation of voting blocs and favours the most organised bloc. [In politics, it's mostly associated with ensuring 100% domination by the majority, but it is also used to allow a minority group to win, sometimes even to get 100% dominance, when they are united and their enemies are disorganised. As Wikipedia says, under bloc voting ('unlimited vote', 'plurality-at-large', etc), "small cohesive groups of voters can overpower larger numbers of disorganised voters who do not engage in tactical voting, sometimes resulting in a small minority of voters electing an entire slate of candidates". A slate consisting of clones of a plurality-winning (but potentially a small minority) candidate will win every seat.

Basically, if you want to create a system of apartheid, bloc voting is the way to go. Syria, for instance, has adopted it, which is partly why the government and government-allied independents won 90% of seats in the last election. With bloc voting, you don't even need to rig anything! If you want a harmonious society with compromise and where the wishes of all are respected... choose something else. [And yes, I'm looking at you too, New Hampshire, Vermont, Laos, Palestine, Lebanon, Mauritius, Hong Kong, Tonga and Tuvulu!]]


message 19: by Lindsay (new)

Lindsay | 593 comments Yes, that's one approach. This ballot is clearly a failure of the Hugo process.


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Sean O'Hara (SeanOHara) | 2347 comments Olivia wrote: "*blink*

Wisdom from my Internet by Michael Z. Williamson (Patriarchy Press)

What? "


Use the Look Inside feature on Amazon to check out the first few pages. If anyone needs evidence that the Sad Puppies are nominating people for their political views without any reference to the quality of their work, that should do it.


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terpkristin | 3745 comments These nominations seem to mostly show that some author's agents or publishers are very good at their jobs.


message 22: by John (Taloni) (new)

John (Taloni) Taloni (JohnTaloni) | 2851 comments I've never paid much attention to the Hugos. I don't think they lead to a boost in sales. Worldcon attendance is far smaller than the SF fan base. If anything, I'd think a Nebula is more prestigious since it's voted on by the authors. So the Hugo is more like a fan-club award, not even really a People's Choice. At least an Oscar nomination generally leads to more revenue for a film, and better work opportunities for the nominees and winners.


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Olivia (oliviayoungers) | 115 comments Sean wrote: "Olivia wrote: "*blink*

Wisdom from my Internet by Michael Z. Williamson (Patriarchy Press)

What? "

Use the Look Inside feature on Amazon to check out the first few pages. If anyone needs evidenc..."


There's a joke about GANG RAPE on the very first page? I guess I shouldn't be surprised about that since it's published by "Patriarchy Press"

Oy.


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Sean O'Hara (SeanOHara) | 2347 comments terpkristin wrote: "These nominations seem to mostly show that some author's agents or publishers are very good at their jobs."

No, this is an organized campaign by conservative authors who think the Hugos are too liberal because the awards always go to books about global warming with gay characters instead of stories about straight white males blowing up aliens. A couple of nominees (Kevin J. Anderson, Jim Butcher), are there to give them cover so they can say it's not all about politics, but then they went and nominated a frothing whackjob who claims it's impossible for a man to rape his wife because she promised to obey him.

John (Taloni) wrote: "I've never paid much attention to the Hugos. I don't think they lead to a boost in sales."

The facts don't support your view.


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Olivia (oliviayoungers) | 115 comments Sean wrote: "terpkristin wrote: "These nominations seem to mostly show that some author's agents or publishers are very good at their jobs."

No, this is an organized campaign by conservative authors who think ..."


oh my god
I just threw up in my mouth a little
Marriage is constant ongoing consent? WHAT?


message 26: by Aaron (last edited Apr 04, 2015 10:54PM) (new)

Aaron Nagy | 379 comments Just gonna point out Your Hate Mail Will be Graded: A Decade of Whatever, 1998–2008 won in 2009 in related works soooooo John C. Wrights isn't really any worse...or better :/.

I hope orbit gives us the ebooks this time for the nominations.

As far as SP voting bloc or w/e 1827 ballots is a tiny number...honestly I find the fact this number is so low to be the real depressing part. When you are at numbers that small and that low that means you only have a very small subgroup of the fanbase voting on it to begin with.


message 27: by Trike (new)

Trike | 5332 comments Let's look on the bright side of this:

Now we have a bunch of writers we never have to read again. Welcome to the Ignore List, Larry Coreira and John C. Wright. (Although I've been ignoring Wright since I read his first book.)

You join these douchenozzles, which should please you to no end:

Neal Asher
Theodore Beale, aka Vox Day
Orson Scott Card
Barry M. Malzberg
Mike Resnick
John Ringo
Brad Thor


message 28: by Lindsay (new)

Lindsay | 593 comments I get all the others, but what did Neal Asher do to get on your list?


message 29: by Trike (new)

Trike | 5332 comments Same as the others: he's a homophobe who is anti-gay-marriage, believes feminists are usurping men's rights and thinks global warming is a hoax by the leftist liars.


message 30: by John (Taloni) (new)

John (Taloni) Taloni (JohnTaloni) | 2851 comments Aaron wrote: "As far as SP voting bloc or w/e 1827 ballots is a tiny number...honestly I find the fact this number is so low to be the real depressing part. When you are at numbers that small and that low that means you only have a very small subgroup of the fanbase voting on it to begin with."

Yeah, true. I've been to about half a dozen Worldcons and never voted for the Hugos. Trying to stay up on the latest stuff didn't fit my reading pattern, so I didn't feel qualified to chime in. It did occur to me then that it would be easy to game the system. It's nice to look back and see favorites like Ringworld or Dragonflight with Hugos, but I would have been unlikely to have read them in time to vote.


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Lindsay | 593 comments Trike wrote: "Same as the others: he's a homophobe who is anti-gay-marriage, believes feminists are usurping men's rights and thinks global warming is a hoax by the leftist liars."

Ah, thanks for the heads-up. I was going to purchase Dark Intelligence after my current run of book club picks.


message 32: by Kevin (last edited Apr 05, 2015 03:21AM) (new)

Kevin | 700 comments Well, at least the novel slate is decent, and the graphic story list is pretty awesome. I forsee a number of names left off my ballot though. (Vox Day?? Really? The guy is a lunatic.)

John (Taloni) wrote: "I've never paid much attention to the Hugos. I don't think they lead to a boost in sales."

You'd be wrong though.

http://www.kameronhurley.com/what-i-g...

Aaron wrote: "Just gonna point out Your Hate Mail Will be Graded: A Decade of Whatever, 1998–2008 won in 2009 in related works soooooo John C. Wrights isn't really any worse...or better :/."

What was wrong with Hate Mail winning in related works?


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Kevin | 700 comments At least one person wasn't happy with the way he ended up on the ballot and has declined his nomination for best fanzine:
http://www.blackgate.com/2015/04/04/a...


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Kaleb I've never heard of some of the authors on the ballot such as John C Wright or Vox Day, but I'm glad I have now so that I know never to support their work. I can't fathom why anyone would choose to support people like them.


message 35: by John (Taloni) (new)

John (Taloni) Taloni (JohnTaloni) | 2851 comments Kevin, both you and Sean quote the same anecdote, which is interesting, but isn't really data. The author seems to be hitting a stride, Hugo or no.


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Brendan (mistershine) | 928 comments I guess the crowning irony of all this clowning around is they've ensured that a woman winning best novel is a virtual certainty? So, i guess thanks for promoting diversity?


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Aaron Nagy | 379 comments Goblin Emperor is probably going to win.
My expectations are.

1) Goblin Emperor
2-3)Skin Game/AS
4) Lines of Departure
5) The Dark Between the Stars


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Sean O'Hara (SeanOHara) | 2347 comments Brendan wrote: "I guess the crowning irony of all this clowning around is they've ensured that a woman winning best novel is a virtual certainty? So, i guess thanks for promoting diversity?"

Actually the Sad Puppies are all about diversity -- they believe that good books have been over-represented in past Hugo Awards and are working to rectify that through affirmative action for crap.

It even says so on their official website which is totally real and not something I just made up this morning.


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Michele | 1154 comments OMG - the more stuff I read about them, the more disgusted and horrified I am. I want to run amok and wreak havok like a Michael Bay movie on these people.

"We demand the Hugo Awards recognize the importance of safe, predictable story telling to keeping the genre alive!

We demand that Hugo voters stop turning their noses up at books that feature women in chainmail bikinis!

We demand the Hugo Awards respect masculine story telling and recognize that feminine writing is antithetical to everything science fiction and fantasy stand for!"


message 40: by John (Taloni) (new)

John (Taloni) Taloni (JohnTaloni) | 2851 comments I'm having a hard time believing that Vox Day actually believes all of that. It reads like a pro-wrestling villain's backstory. His name is a homonym for "Vox Dei" (voice of God) fer chrissakes!


Jenny (Reading Envy) (readingenvy) | 2382 comments I really like the way Locus Mag handles their awards - people in the industry making a list, and subscribers voting on the nominees. Compare last year's list (which subscribers may vote on through the 14th) to the Hugo list and there is such a difference in breadth and diversity, as well as a lot more attention on new authors. For a while I was trying to figure out how to "fix" the Hugo's but have started to think maybe I'll just turn my reading attention to this other place. Because that's why I look to awards, to reflect the best of the year, not to be a reflection of the stupid politics and infighting that I used to be blissfully ignorant of. So for awards as reading lists, I'll stick to the Locus! And maybe British and World fantasy awards.


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^ +1 Jenny. Agreed.


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Phil | 1044 comments I might be missing something but after reading the site that Sean posted it seems obvious to me that it's a practical joke that's just gone too far. Somebody wanted to see if they could manipulate the vote to get crap nominated and be as odious as possible and they succeeded. They're like griefers in an online game. It sucks that it ruined the Hugo's this year but my guess is the movement will lose steam in another year or two.


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Olivia (oliviayoungers) | 115 comments Phil wrote: "I might be missing something but after reading the site that Sean posted it seems obvious to me that it's a practical joke that's just gone too far. Somebody wanted to see if they could manipulate ..."

I think the site is a joke but the "movement" has been going on for a few years? http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/0...


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Thane | 476 comments http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/0...

Aw, Larry turned down his nomination. Too bad. All the Monster Hunter books are excellent.


message 46: by Michal (last edited Apr 05, 2015 05:31PM) (new)

Michal (MichaltheAssistantPigkeeper) | 294 comments This year's Hugo ballot is a complete embarrassment.

Also, worth noting that for all this about the Sad Puppies, it was in fact Beale's "Rabid Puppy" slate that put us in the abysmal situation we're in now. I can't believe the bald-faced cynicism it took to force so much work from your own small press (i.e. Castalia House, owned by Beale) onto the ballot.

(And I say "forced" because there was no comparable slate to oppose this bloc, despite claims to the contrary.)

Black Gate's editor has repudiated their nomination:

http://www.blackgate.com/2015/04/05/b...

The owners of Andromeda Spaceways In-Flight Magazine are also...unhappy.

EDIT: One more thought--I feel so sorry for all the folks who spent time thinking and carefully putting together their ballots during voting. To see all the thought you put into the process just plain wasted like this must be heart-breaking.


message 47: by Daran (last edited Apr 05, 2015 05:33PM) (new)

Daran | 599 comments Phil wrote: "I might be missing something but after reading the site that Sean posted it seems obvious to me that it's a practical joke that's just gone too far. Somebody wanted to see if they could manipulate ..."

This is not a joke, though both Larry Correia and John C. Wright use humor to deflect any serious criticism. Any time someone tries interact with them about their views, they say something like "aren't you a just a proper social justice warrior?" and then they laugh. I like Correia's Hard Magic series, and his Monster hunter series. But because of his views I don't read his blog anymore. A lot of this also goes back to when they kicked Theo Beal out of the SFWA for general jack-assery.

That said, I stopped respecting the Hugo's when Girl Genius won it's third Hugo in a row; the first three Hugos given out in the Best Graphic Story category (2009,2010,2011). Now I like Girl Genius, but it's not such a work of genius (pardon the pun?) that it should win three years in a row. It wins because the creator goes to World Con every year, and he's a crowd favorite. Also, every years there's at least Two Doctors Who nominated in the short form category! There should be a rule against that. In fairness, this year it looks like there's only only one.

This really brought home to me how small and homogenous the Hugo Award voting pool had become. I don't think any category in the years I mentioned above broke a 1,000 ballots. And while I don't agree with their conclusions, in one respect Correia's group is right; in that the once prestigious award had come under the control of a fairly small group in fandom. That said, that small group was picking some good books.

I will say that I've always felt that there was too much experimental fiction in the short story category, but that has to do with the shrinking market for short adventure fiction.

I think that the sad puppies thing is stupid. that said, I'm voting for Skin Game. And it is because I got more enjoyment out of it than any other book that came out this year. And I agree with Matthew David Surridge's decision not to accept. I was already a Black gate reader, but that makes me proud to be one.


Jenny (Reading Envy) (readingenvy) | 2382 comments In case you are a Hugo voter, John Scalzi has some in-system suggestions for best using the ballot.


message 49: by John (Taloni) (new)

John (Taloni) Taloni (JohnTaloni) | 2851 comments ^ I have never previously read any John Scalzi but I am warming up to him fast. Nice article!


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Serendi | 756 comments In case Phil did miss this: Sean's link text says "It even says so on their official website which is totally real and not something I just made up this morning."

There's a reason for that....

Sad Puppies are real, even if Sean's blog is a joke. I've been watching this bizarrity develop (not on purpose, but people I follow mention it) for several years.


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