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message 1201: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments ❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel like is promoting toxic beauty standards even more. Did you guys hear about the Zendaya incident when she came to promote Dune? That was so pr..."

Kpop groups be like “love yourself!!” And then you watch them conform to the most strict beauty standards known to man


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "nat wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "nat wrote: "i personally find 4 gen vocalists overall less good than vocalists from other generations, but liz and yujin ar..."

DAMNNN I DIDN'T KNOW THAT 🫢


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel like is promoting toxic beauty standards even more. Did you guys hear about the Zendaya incident when she came to ..."

idk any other groups w the love yourself concept other than bts... pls entertain me 😶


message 1204: by [deleted user] (new)

aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "Mehrsameesnibok10 (Semi-Hiatus) wrote: "nat wrote: "i personally find 4 gen vocalists overall less good than vocalists from other generations, but liz and yujin are pretty good. re..."

yes exactly!! vocals in a song are the key, they're pleasing to the ear


message 1205: by aria (jimin's version) (last edited Mar 11, 2024 01:00PM) (new)

aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments nat wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "The thing is that 3rd gen is an all rounder, almost all groups have talented members whether it comes to rap, dance, vocals, visuals or whatever. Which makes them perfec..."

definitition of all 3rd gen!!!

maybe using "all" is extreme so MOST!!


message 1206: by [deleted user] (new)

♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "nat wrote: "sry for the rant guysss
also im not saying that 4 gen idols r untalented. many could be all rounders but their companies dont let them do the things they want to"

and lack of proper tr..."

they're training for visuals, le sserafim WORKOUT, 100 burpees, 100 jumping jacks, 20 jump squats, 20 side planks and more, this is insane (i tried it 7months ago)


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments yeah and their's those annoying stays and moas who are calling skz and txt the father of kpop. girl wat 🫢


message 1208: by [deleted user] (new)

aria (jimin's version) wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "nat wrote: "sry for the rant guysss
also im not saying that 4 gen idols r untalented. many could be all rounders but their companies dont let them do the ..."


ikr, ppl with 1 day training as well


message 1209: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel like is promoting toxic beauty standards even more. Did you guys hear about the Zendaya incident ..."

I wouldn’t know because I never look up song lyrics 💀


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments and the elementary tokkis are so annoying DSSASASADASSAD the only group yk is newjeans STOP TALKING RN 😭😭😭😭 have some respect you weren't even born until after the actual legends


message 1211: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments ♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "nat wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "nat wrote: "i personally find 4 gen vocalists overall less good than vocalists from other generations, but..."

They’re taking the “industry” part too far


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel like is promoting toxic beauty standards even more. Did you guys h..."


then why would you bring up that statement… 😭


message 1213: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments Mehrsameesnibok10 (Semi-Hiatus) wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "nat wrote: "sry for the rant guysss
also im not saying that 4 gen idols r untalented. many could be all rounders but their companies dont let them do the ..."


100 burpees is insane 😭😭
20 squat jumps would be doable if my knees didn’t act like glow sticks and start cracking


message 1214: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments aria (jimin's version) wrote: "yeah and their's those annoying stays and moas who are calling skz and txt the father of kpop. girl wat 🫢"

They’re deluding themselves


message 1215: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments nat wrote: ""stray kids paved the way" yeah of course WE ALL AGREE BES <333 KEEP UP THE HARD WORK"

You better agree or they might hate crime you

It’s so annoying 😭😭


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments nat wrote: ""stray kids paved the way" yeah of course WE ALL AGREE BES <333 KEEP UP THE HARD WORK"

RIGHT BECAUSE REMEMBER WHEN 2ND GEN AND 3RD GEN (BTS, BP, SNSD, RV, 2NE1, EXO) PAVED TOO? AND THAT HAPPENED YEARS BEFORE 4TH GEN? SORRY, I GET they worked hard. BUT it was the previous gens that made it possible.


message 1217: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel like is promoting toxic beauty standards even mor..."

As a joke 💀


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel like is promoting ..."

ok here is when i become kinda defensive because what i know, the love yourself concept is what's also used by bts. and i've never known any other gorup that has done a love yourself concept (pls tell me if u do)
i genuinely think they're actually expressing that message of love yourself sincerely…and i don't think they've ever conform extreme beauty standards... 💀 other than rm's health issues


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments ♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel like is promoting ..."

i didn't know that because it was through the screen 💀


message 1220: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments aria (jimin's version) wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused..."

Bro who would I be trying to offend 😭😭


message 1221: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just focused on visuals which I feel l..."

Everyone in the kpop industry has some level of conformity with the beauty standards. Edited pictures, makeup, they all do it


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: ..."

no i didn't think u were trying to offend bro 💀


aria (jimin's version) (btsarmy) | 1031 comments Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "4th gen is mostly just fo..."

makeup is fair because i grew up understanding that people paint their faces with makeup so their features can be seen even when there's a lot fo light shining.


message 1224: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments aria (jimin's version) wrote: "nat wrote: ""stray kids paved the way" yeah of course WE ALL AGREE BES

RIGHT BECAUSE REMEMBER WHEN 2ND GEN AND 3RD GEN (BTS, BP, SNSD, RV, 2NE1, EXO) PAVED TOO? AND THAT HAPPENED YEARS BEFORE 4TH..."


They like to forget previous groups exist I guess. And they also like to forget to bring any nuance to the argument, because it’s not just one group from any generation that “paved the way” for subsequent generations. Without multiple groups from multiple generations preceding the most current generation, things would not be the same. It’s not a question of one group making everything possible, they’ve all contributed


message 1225: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments nat wrote: "Mehrsameesnibok10 (Semi-Hiatus) wrote: "nat wrote: "i personally find 4 gen vocalists overall less good than vocalists from other generations, but liz and yujin are pretty good. rei also has heaven..."

I AGREEEEEEE


message 1226: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments ima be honest but literally all 4th gen idols look the same. i'm not trying to offend anyone so if it offended u, sorry.


message 1227: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments nat wrote: "❃A.J❃ {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "The thing is that 3rd gen is an all rounder, almost all groups have talented members whether it comes to rap, dance, vocals, visuals or whatever. Which makes them perfec..."

and ofc BTS 🥱🔥


message 1228: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments ♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "nat wrote: "aria (jimin's version) wrote: "nat wrote: "i personally find 4 gen vocalists overall less good than vocalists from other generations, but..."

ok to be fair its not exactly the idols fault. i would blame it on the fans. they expect their idols to be so good at this or that and then the idols end up being people who they aren't. for example, lets say there's an idol whos, lets face it, not even a singer. they're just in the industry for looks and fans love them just for that. in the end, people focus on the looks more than what they initially went for, singing. and then when they sing, people bash her.


message 1229: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments ✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "ima be honest but literally all 4th gen idols look the same. i'm not trying to offend anyone so if it offended u, sorry."

Objectively untrue but go off 😭😭


message 1230: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments nat wrote: "also man idk whats up with 4 gen stans these days ?? they r so rude like fearnots or tokkis always jump at older groups (recently sakura stans jumped at wendy for her vocals like calm tf down) and ..."

BRO FRRR like i see this idiot stays bashing bts bc they want skz to "world dominate" and bts is the only one who has ever reached so high unlike them or some shit like that ??? yeah that's why i don't stan skz but anyways, and then there's newjeans who bash blackpink over smt similar to that like girlie PLEASE 😒 this is why i kinda stopped stanning newjeans for a period of time, not bc the girls but bc their fandom. i srsly cant with fourth gen fandoms atp


message 1231: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments nat wrote: ""stray kids paved the way" yeah of course WE ALL AGREE BES <333 KEEP UP THE HARD WORK"

yo- that gotta be the most funniest craziest bs i heard today💀💀


message 1232: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments ♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "if we wanna get real about this, the Kim Sisters and Seo Taji and Boys are the reason kpop is even a thing now. the Kim Sisters basically started the genre back in the 50s. Seo Taji and Boys led th..."

ok bro every country has music, there's no such thing as "the kim sisters and seo taji and boys are the reason kpop is even a thing" 💀


message 1233: by haerin (new)

haerin | 48 comments ✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "if we wanna get real about this, the Kim Sisters and Seo Taji and Boys are the reason kpop is even a thing now. the Kim Sisters basically started the genr..."

yeah😭


message 1234: by haerin (new)

haerin | 48 comments ✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "nat wrote: "also man idk whats up with 4 gen stans these days ?? they r so rude like fearnots or tokkis always jump at older groups (recently sakura stans jumped at wendy for her vocals like calm t..."

believe or not, straykids is not that popular in south korea.


message 1235: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments yeah ik i think worldwide they are tho. groups like bts is HUGEHUGE in korea, and blackpink, txt newjeans, red velvet, exo


message 1236: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments its not that kpop wouldve never existed w/o them helllll no 💀 i think what ur going for is what caused kpop to get popular worldwide, right?


message 1237: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments ♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "ima be honest but literally all 4th gen idols look the same. i'm not trying to offend anyone so if it offended u, sorry."

yes I agree Hyunjin and Bang Chan could be tw..."


like the makeup they use and all their face shapes are so similar


message 1238: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments ✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "ima be honest but literally all 4th gen idols look the same. i'm not trying to offend anyone so if it offended u, sorry."

ye..."


Still objectively false


message 1239: by [deleted user] (new)

✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "ima be honest but literally all 4th gen idols look the same. i'm not trying to offend anyone so if it offended u, sorry."

ye..."


for real lol everytime i'm trying to distinguish each member and learn their names for a 4th gen group i'm trying to get into, it takes me some time 😭


message 1240: by jas (new)

jas  | 511 comments I struggled with a few 4th gen groups (Skz, Ateez, IVE) but the only group that I had a SERIOUSLY hard time with was Svt, I love them but why are there so many peopleee lol


message 1241: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments ♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "the makeup thing ig. there’s different makeup trends with each generation but then someone would be able to argue that all 2nd gen idols make up styles look the same because of the amout of eyeline..."

“They all look the same” is more stuff my mom drops when she’s making fun of them 💀


message 1242: by [deleted user] (new)

Sandwich wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "the makeup thing ig. there’s different makeup trends with each generation but then someone would be able to argue that all 2nd gen idols make up styles lo..."

"they all look the same" is a very racist term


message 1243: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments jas wrote: "I struggled with a few 4th gen groups (Skz, Ateez, IVE) but the only group that I had a SERIOUSLY hard time with was Svt, I love them but why are there so many peopleee lol"

YEAH ME WITH SEVENTEEN AND NCT LOLL there were so many members in those groups and they all looked somewhat similar to each other. it took me time to distinguish them but its all worth it. :,)) it takes me more time with boy groups, especially 4th gen 😭


message 1244: by jas (new)

jas  | 511 comments Sandwich wrote: "jhin wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "the makeup thing ig. there’s different makeup trends with each generation but then someone would be able to argue that all 2..."

I'm sorry, but what is your problem? Hate is not what this group is here for


message 1245: by [deleted user] (new)

I guess it's alright if you use it and you're not trying to be racist but like you said, if your mom is making fun, then yeah of course that's considered very racist


message 1246: by jas (new)

jas  | 511 comments ✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "jas wrote: "I struggled with a few 4th gen groups (Skz, Ateez, IVE) but the only group that I had a SERIOUSLY hard time with was Svt, I love them but why are there so many peopleee lol"

YEAH ME WI..."


SAME lol


message 1247: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments jas wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "jhin wrote: "Sandwich wrote: "♡ R a y ♡ sOOO LoNG aNd gOOd NiGhT wrote: "the makeup thing ig. there’s different makeup trends with each generation but then someone would be able to..."

I didn’t say anything hateful??


message 1248: by Ennik (new)

Ennik | 1067 comments u just called me racist towards my own race 💀


message 1249: by [deleted user] (new)

i don't think she meant it in that way, chilll.


message 1250: by Bartholomew (new)

Bartholomew  | 18 comments ✩ ennik (prod. suga) wrote: "u just called me racist towards my own race 💀"

That was a response to a comment about my mom making fun of kpop people


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