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THE SECOND WORLD WAR > WEEK THIRTEEN - THE DAY OF BATTLE - April 6th ~ April 12th - Chapter Twelve: Shaking Stars from the Heavens, A Fifth Army Show, The Cuckoo's Song, Expulsion of the Barbarians (pages 521-564) - No Spoilers

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Hello, Everyone,

For the week of April 6th - April 12th, we are reading Chapter 12 - Shaking Stars from the Heavens - A Fifth Army Show - The Cuckoo's Song - Expulsion of the Barbarians pages 521-564 of the book-The Day of Battle: The War in Sicily and Italy 1943-1944 by Rick Atkinson.

The thirteenth week's reading assignment is:

Week Thirteen- April 6th - April 12th, 2015
Chapter Twelve - Shaking Stars from the Heavens - A Fifth Army Show - The Cuckoo's Song - Expulsion of the Barbarians - pages 521-564

We will open up a thread for each week's reading. Please make sure to post in the particular thread dedicated to those specific chapters and page numbers to avoid spoilers. We will also open up supplemental threads as we did for other spotlighted books.

This book was kicked off on January 12th

We look forward to your participation. Amazon, Barnes and Noble and other noted on line booksellers do have copies of the book and shipment can be expedited. The book can also be obtained easily at your local library, local bookstore or on your Kindle.

This weekly thread will be opened up on April 6th

There is no rush and we are thrilled to have you join us. It is never too late to get started and/or to post.

Bentley will be leading this discussion and back-up will be Assisting Moderators Bryan, Kathy, Jerome and Jill.

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~Jerome

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The Day of Battle The War in Sicily and Italy, 1943-1944 (World War II Liberation Trilogy, #2) by Rick Atkinson by Rick Atkinson Rick Atkinson

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The Day of Battle The War in Sicily and Italy, 1943-1944 (World War II Liberation Trilogy, #2) by Rick Atkinson by Rick Atkinson Rick Atkinson

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All, we do not have to do citations regarding the book or the author being discussed during the book discussion on these discussion threads - nor do we have to cite any personage in the book being discussed while on the discussion threads related to this book.

However if we discuss folks outside the scope of the book or another book is cited which is not the book and author discussed then we do have to do that citation according to our citation rules. That makes it easier to not disrupt the discussion.


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Jerome | 4301 comments Mod
Everyone, for the week of April 6th - April 12th we are reading Chapter Twelve: Shaking Stars from the Heavens, A Fifth Army Show, The Cuckoo's Song, Expulsion of the Barbarians

The thirteenth week's reading assignment is:

Week Thirteen
-April 6th-April 12th
Chapter Twelve: Shaking Stars from the Heavens, A Fifth Army Show, The Cuckoo's Song, Expulsion of the Barbarians

Chapter Overview and Summary

PART FOUR


Chapter Twelve: The Great Prize

Shaking Stars from the Heavens

Allied troops begin their offensive against Rome. The Allies exchange artillery fire with the Germans, who are hampered by poor leadership and Allied air strikes. Monte Cassino finally falls to Allied forces. Kesselring finds himself in over his head.

A Fifth Army Show

Clark's planned breakout from Anzio begins. Moderate German resistance crumbles. Clark divides his forces for a controversial new attack on Rome in violation of his orders, but the offensive bogs down.

The Cuckoo's Song

The Hitler line is destroyed at great cost and XIII Corps moves north in the face of snarled traffic. Allied atrocities mark the advance, with colonial troops blamed for most of them. Kesselring's forces are attacked from the rear.

Expulsion of the Barbarians

Clark's forces liberate Rome as German troops retreat farther north.


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Vincent (vpbrancato) | 1245 comments Are there no comments here yet?

This was a continuation of not easy reading. So much pain and difficulty for the troops - both sides so hard

So Clark is a bit of a disappointment - constantly worrying who will get to Rome first. with he confusion (to me anyway) of pages in each section this is for me pigs 509 to 564.

Some not pleasant revelations - both Clark and another officer - I forget who - go for a week or more break while I guess the soldiers stay in on the line.

Pg 521 para 1 May 11 - the Poles get hit and Leese picks flowers??

Pg 522 para 2 - do we Americans ( i know we are not all Americans) Anders tells his Polish soldiers Germany "our hereditary enemy" - how long and deep are the animosities that fed this war and feed those we have today.

Pg 521 para 1 a Brit says "no Germans could possibly outlive such devastating bombardment" but I have been reading in parallel the WW II almanac and from the beginning of May continuous bombing, often not mentioned in this book, is going on. Do we overrate airpower short of atomic weapons? I think also how could enough be living to put up a good defense? - but they did.

Clark's decision to push onto Rome ignoring possible devastation upon the German troops makes his less impressive to me.

Pg 555 para 2 "the eighth army lacked instinct to finish off a maimed foe" - interesting quote - is this why US Grant and Patton were stars - is the McClellan fault more common than one might think in the military?

Pg 557 Para 3 the French Africans (and others) raping and pillaging. The sometimes acceptance of it. How does one mix society values and actions? Is this an indication of the African Hutu/Tutsi tragedy to follow decades later?

When I read books like this I feel again thankful for our freedom - I feel thankful that I am an American where we have not had a war in our country since 1865 and that was a Civil War.

I wish that more of you were continuing with this trip following Atkinson - I do it of me but really like and appreciate and learn from other members of HBC participating

- I cannot find a link to this Almanac nor the author Keith D. Dickson although I think that I had found it before.


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Bentley | 44168 comments Mod
Thank you as always for your detailed comments Vincent and I too thank my lucky stars when I travel that I am coming back home.

We will continue the journey Vincent - don't you worry


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