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message 1: by Hugh (last edited Sep 15, 2020 05:22AM) (new)

Hugh (bodachliath) | 3391 comments Mod
Dynamic Rankings
The idea of dynamic rankings is to provide a measure of the collective opinion of the group on the relative merits of the books on a list. This is not intended to have any great significance or scientific value, and the more members participate, the more interesting the tables get. Please don't see this as a competition - there are always some people who aim to read a whole list and others who are happy just to sample one or two. To participate, just list the books in order of preference (best first). You can number them if you like, if not we will assign the first book 1, second 2, third 3 etc. Please do not include books that you have not started reading.

In order to make it easier for us to collate the numbers for the league tables, please try to stick to one post per member (you can use edit comment to update your lists) and refrain from general chat.

I normally try to update the league tables at least once a day until activity tails off - the master spreadsheets are on my personal laptop so I am reluctant to touch them during office hours.

Adjusted weightings table (my method)
This method has evolved and been refined over the last few years to address some perceived unfairnesses in simple averaging. The basic principle is that each member's list numbered 1,2,3,...,n where n is the number of books ranked is adjusted so that the ranked books are positioned evenly on a scale from 0 to x-1 where x is the number of books in the list (x=6 so 0 to 5 for a Booker shortlist). We also allow users to specify their predicted positions in which case we will assume that no adjustment is needed. The first table is sorted by the average of these adjusted weightings.

Aggregate of comparisons table (Paul's method)
This is an alternative league table which is sorted using a different algorithm. Each member and book is assigned an integer (which may be negative) which is the number of books the member has ranked lower than the book in question minus the number ranked higher. The overall table takes the sum of these numbers.

The 6 books on the shortlist have been announced:

The New Wilderness by Diane Cook The New Wilderness by Diane Cook (Oneworld Publications)
This Mournable Body by Tsitsi Dangarembga This Mournable Body by Tsitsi Dangarembga (Faber & Faber)
Burnt Sugar by Avni Doshi Burnt Sugar by Avni Doshi (Penguin Random House)
The Shadow King by Maaza Mengiste The Shadow King by Maaza Mengiste (Canongate Books)
Shuggie Bain by Douglas Stuart Shuggie Bain by Douglas Stuart (Picador, Pan Macmillan)
Real Life by Brandon Taylor Real Life by Brandon Taylor (Originals, Daunt Books Publishing)


message 2: by Hugh (last edited Nov 19, 2020 07:27AM) (new)

Hugh (bodachliath) | 3391 comments Mod
Shortlist rankings only:

My adjusted weightings method:

Pos, Book, Average, Adjusted, Count, First Places, STD
1, Shuggie Bain by Douglas Stuart, 1.59, 0.76, 32, 20, 0.79
2, The Shadow King by Maaza Mengiste, 2.63, 1.75, 27, 4, 0.98
3, Burnt Sugar by Avni Doshi, 3.26, 2.47, 23, 3, 1.25
4, This Mournable Body by Tsitsi Dangarembga, 3.81, 2.87, 26, 1, 1.48
5, Real Life by Brandon Taylor, 4.22, 3.26, 27, 3, 1.66
6, The New Wilderness by Diane Cook, 5.08, 4.12, 24, 0, 1.86

Paul-style aggregate of comparisons

Pos, Book, Average, Relative ranking, Count, First Places
1, Shuggie Bain by Douglas Stuart, 1.59, 90, 32, 20
2, The Shadow King by Maaza Mengiste, 2.63, 31, 27, 4
3, Burnt Sugar by Avni Doshi, 3.26, 1, 23, 3
4, This Mournable Body by Tsitsi Dangarembga, 3.81, -16, 26, 1
5, Real Life by Brandon Taylor, 4.22, -40, 27, 3
6, The New Wilderness by Diane Cook, 5.08, -66, 24, 0

Including longlist rankings:

My adjusted weightings method:

Pos, Book, Average, Adjusted, Count, First Places, STD
1, Shuggie Bain by Douglas Stuart, 1.48, 0.85, 42, 29, 0.88
2, The Shadow King by Maaza Mengiste, 2.48, 1.77, 33, 6, 1.08
3, Burnt Sugar by Avni Doshi, 2.97, 2.41, 30, 5, 1.36
4, Real Life by Brandon Taylor, 3.70, 3.02, 37, 8, 1.74
5, This Mournable Body by Tsitsi Dangarembga, 3.74, 3.11, 34, 2, 1.71
6, The New Wilderness by Diane Cook, 4.63, 4.02, 32, 0, 1.99

Paul-style aggregate of comparisons

Pos, Book, Average, Relative ranking, Count, First Places
1, Shuggie Bain by Douglas Stuart, 1.48, 109, 42, 29
2, The Shadow King by Maaza Mengiste, 2.48, 40, 33, 6
3, Burnt Sugar by Avni Doshi, 2.97, 5, 30, 5
4, This Mournable Body by Tsitsi Dangarembga, 3.74, -33, 34, 2
5, Real Life by Brandon Taylor, 3.70, -43, 37, 8
6, The New Wilderness by Diane Cook, 4.63, -78, 32, 0


message 3: by Hugh (last edited Sep 15, 2020 07:16AM) (new)

Hugh (bodachliath) | 3391 comments Mod
1 Shuggie Bain
2 The Shadow King
3 The New Wilderness
4 This Mournable Body
5 Burnt Sugar
6 Real Life

3 to 6 are quite difficult to separate, but none of them would make a strong winner.


message 4: by Robert (new)

Robert | 2139 comments 1. Burnt Sugar
2. Shuggie Bain
3. The New Wilderness
4. The Shadow King
5. Real Life
6. This Mournable Body


message 5: by Ang (last edited Nov 15, 2020 02:48AM) (new)

Ang | 1685 comments 1. Burnt Sugar
2. This Mournable Body
3. Real Life
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4. The Shadow King
5. The New Wilderness
6. Shuggie Bain


message 6: by Vesna (new)

Vesna (ves_13) | 210 comments 2. Shuggie Bain


message 7: by Alysson (last edited Oct 12, 2020 06:56PM) (new)

Alysson Oliveira | 85 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. Bunt Sugar
3.
4.This mournable body
5. Real life
6. The new wilderness


message 8: by Paul (last edited Oct 04, 2020 03:16PM) (new)

Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 9834 comments 1. The Shadow King
2. Shuggie Bain
3. This Mournable Body
4. Burnt Sugar
5. Real Life
6. The New Wilderness


message 9: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Pool 1 This Mournable Body
2 Shuggie Bain
3 The Shadow King
4 Burnt Sugar
5 The New Wilderness
6 Real Life


message 10: by Laura (new)

Laura (lauramulcahy) | 59 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. Real Life
3. Burnt Sugar
4. The Shadow King
5. This Mournable Body
6. The New Wilderness


message 11: by Nicholas (last edited Oct 26, 2020 10:20AM) (new)

Nicholas (vonlicorice) | 56 comments 1. The Shadow King
2. Shuggie Bain
3. Burnt Sugar
4. This Mournable Body
5. The New Wilderness
6. Real Life


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer | 6249 comments I think one of 2/3/4 will win (1 should) - my ordering of those is pretty random and changes frequently.

1 Shuggie Bain
2 Shadow King
3 This Mournable Body
4 Burnt Sugar
5 Real Life
6 The New Wilderness


message 13: by Emily (last edited Oct 18, 2020 09:27AM) (new)

Emily M | 544 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. This Mournable Body
3. Real Life
4. The Shadow King
5.
6. The New Wilderness


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Britta Böhler | 71 comments 1. Shadow King
2. Burt Sugar
3. Shuggie Bain
4. New Wilderness
5. Real Life
6. Mournable Body


message 15: by Atharv (last edited Sep 27, 2020 10:55AM) (new)

Atharv G. | 10 comments 1. Real Life
2. Shadow King
5. This Mournable Body


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LindaJ^ (lindajs) | 690 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. The Shadow King
3. This Mournable Body
4. Real Life
5. The New Wilderness
6. Burnt Sugar


message 17: by Anita (last edited Nov 02, 2020 05:59AM) (new)

Anita Pomerantz | 127 comments 1. Real Life
2.
3. Shuggie Bain
4.
5. This Mournable Body
6.


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Tracy (tstan) | 365 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. The Shadow King
3. This Mournable Body
4. Real Life
5. Burnt Sugar
6. The New Wilderness


message 19: by Tommi (last edited Sep 15, 2020 10:03AM) (new)

Tommi | 516 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. This Mournable Body
3. The Shadow King
4.
5. The New Wilderness (still reading)
6. Real Life


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Justin Seeling | 10 comments 1.
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5. Real Life
6. The New Wilderness


message 21: by Marlene (new)

Marlene | 3 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. Burnt Sugar


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James Pomar | 87 comments 1. Burnt Sugar
2. Real Life
3. Shuggie Bain
4. The Shadow King
5.
6.


message 23: by Lascosas (new)

Lascosas | 448 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. The Shadow King
4. This Mournable Body
5. Real Life
6. The New Wilderness


message 24: by Debra (new)

Debra (debrapatek) | 367 comments Still have a lot of reading to do...

1. Apeirogon Shuggie Bain (currently reading)
2.
3. Burnt Sugar
4.
5.
6.


message 25: by WndyJW (last edited Oct 25, 2020 11:58AM) (new)

WndyJW | 5701 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. The Shadow King
3. Burnt Sugar
4. This Mournable Body (from the few chapters I’ve read.)
5. The New Wilderness
6. n/a


message 26: by Cordelia (last edited Sep 18, 2020 09:54PM) (new)

Cordelia (anne21) | 110 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. This Mournable Body
3.
4. Real Life
5.
6. The New Wilderness


message 27: by Cindy (last edited Sep 17, 2020 05:18AM) (new)

Cindy Haiken | 811 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. The Shadow King
3. Burnt Sugar
4.
5. This Mournable Body
6. Real Life


message 28: by John (last edited Sep 19, 2020 04:48AM) (new)

John Banks | 159 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. This Mournable Body
3. Burnt Sugar
4. The Shadow King
5.Real Life
6. The New Wilderness

Order of 2, 3 and 4 very difficult.


message 29: by David (last edited Oct 24, 2020 10:57AM) (new)

David | 49 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2.
3.
4. The Shadow King
5. Burnt Sugar
6. The New Wilderness


message 30: by Chris (last edited Oct 29, 2020 10:37AM) (new)

Chris Blocker (chrisblocker) | 44 comments  
 
1. Shuggie Bain
2. The Shadow King
3. The New Wilderness
4.
5. Real Life
6. This Mournable Body


message 31: by Ella (new)

Ella (ellamc) | 1018 comments Mod
1. Burnt Sugar
2. Shuggie Bain
3. The Shadow King
4. This Mournable Body
5. Real Life
6. The New Wilderness


message 32: by But_i_thought_ (last edited Oct 05, 2020 04:38AM) (new)

But_i_thought_ (but_i_thought) | 130 comments 1.
2. Shuggie Bain (7.5/10, my review)
3. The Shadow King
4.
5.
6.


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Areeb Ahmad (Bankrupt_Bookworm) (bankruptbookworm) | 284 comments 1. The Shadow King
2. Shuggie Bain
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5.
6.

(At the moment, I don't plan on reading the rest. I have a feeling This Mournable Body might win.)


message 34: by Stuart (last edited Oct 24, 2020 01:56PM) (new)

Stuart | 7 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. The Shadow King
3. Burnt Sugar
4. Real Life
5. This Mournable Body
(I didn’t read The New Wilderness and not planning on it unless it wins the prize).
I went back and forth re the top three. I enjoyed them all. If any of my top three win, it will feel right. Although if I was a judge, I would have included The Mirror and the Light and Apeirogon...just saying!


message 35: by Susanne (new)

Susanne | 55 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. The New Wilderness
3. This Mournable Body
4. The Shadow King
5. Real Life
6. Burnt Sugar


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Darryl Suite (darrylsuite) | 8 comments 1. Shuggie Bain
2. Real Life
3. The Shadow King
4. Burnt Sugar
5. The New Wilderness
6. This Mournable Body


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