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Ally Winget | 11 comments Mod
 the first chapter gives you a nice leaping-off point. it doesn't hide behind lengthy narrative, and instead launches you straight into the thesis; a priest sets out to find the sins of the victims of horrific bridge accident in an attempt to gain legitimacy in the Catholic belief of Predeterminism, or the idea that God has a predetermined plan for all of us. Brother Junipor receive this is a papal request to find a concnection between these deaths - The lives of these seemingly random people must have a dark, deep secret, or else why would God chose for them to die? These are the stakes involved with Brother Junipers quest, and all the more reason for him to dig up as much dirt on them as possible.

a little history of Catholicism;

The following passage in the New Testament is what is being argued, “We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified."*

Similar to our US Constitution, this passage is vague enough to launch centuries of debate. The ideas of the Predestination has forever been philosophized upon, even before modern religion, however it appears as a theological discussion as early as 4th century BCE. By the time of the Reformation (1500 BCE), it has been solidified within the church via the Council of Trent Chapter XII in 1545* (though one could argue that since the laymen could not actually read the bible nor interpret it for themselves, convincing them that their terrible, poor, disease-ridden life was part of Gods Plan was a form of population control.) This is just one example when church ecclesiastical practice overlaps actual scripture. Anything else is seen as heretical. Practice isn’t set in stone, but it might as well be, according to the church. You saw this happen with Indulgences, funeral rights, catechism for the rich...i don't think it was much of a leap to the idea of predeterminism. If you have more questions about this, you can take it up with Martin Luther and his 95 thesis.*

To Modern Catholics in the Era of San Louis Ray, life is not spontaneous or coincidental – it is an amalgamation of your choices, which include both free-will AND determinism*. If this sounds confusing and contradictory, you would be 100% correct. For the church, this 'crusade of ideals', will be a revolutionary turning point in pre-modern methodology, perhaps even important enough to ratify; a physical example of devinity and His presence within our lives. if Brother Juniper cannot find this answer, however, the Magisterium will be forced to re-examine their interpretations, which puts them in a hard place since they are supposed infallible.

In my opinion, poor Brother Junipor has been set up to fail; there is nothing that thousands of years of Biblical Studies hasn't already illuminated (god im good).

*(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predest...).
*http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch12...
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusti...
*https://www.luther.de/en/95thesen.html


message 2: by Chris (last edited Aug 30, 2020 05:08PM) (new)

Chris | 10 comments Mod
Brother Juniper needs to stop looking through these bridge droppers for signs of purpose, righteousness, virtues, and values and focus inward on himself first. Big L for the brother I'm assuming when he's about to spend his entire life combing through these peoples lives because there is no simple equation to what constitutes how the world actually works in a simple defined manner. It's not for us to decide. But our own personal actions and experiences can help bring better focus in it to better understand our own part in the great unknown. Brother J needs to stop and practice some own self-care first and write about that.


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