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message 1: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments Hello,

When studying to become a librian, I read this in the manual:

**Also note that adaptations should not be combined with their parent work. The adaptor’s name should be listed as the primary author.

And I think that the following 4 books are added incorrect to Goodreads in that case:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5...

They are very similar to the original ones in the story, but it is rewritten for modern day.. Romeo and Julia is even written in book format in stead of a play, so I think it does not count as another edition..

I'd like to hear some experts opinion on this :)


message 2: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments Adding the request for a Dutch libraian is a good idea - I edited the title because maybe someone can help.

I don't know exactly what you mean by adapter credit. One edition is called rewritten, another one edited.. See https://www.blossombooks.nl/herontdek... (Dutch).. SO it's a bit of a blurry situation? They call the book retranslation themself, because they are not really retellings, they are too close to the original for that, but not just a new translation either...


message 3: by Arenda (new)

Arenda | 19990 comments When in doubt about something being an adaptation, the first thing I check is Worldcat (international collected library catalogues) or KB/Koninklijke Bibliotheek for Dutch books.

The three books that are already published are all listed as adaptations in the KB catalogue, with the editor/adapter/reteller as author, and the original author only mentioned as original author, not like how they would be listed on a translated book.
According to the description of the publisher, I have no doubt that the Dante book is also an adaptation.

I've separated these books, and left Librarian Notes (not visible for regular users, but visible for Librarians who try to edit or combine the book) that these are adaptations and should not be combined with the original book.


message 4: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments Thank you Arenda!


message 5: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments Hello. I'm doing a follow up on this one because I think it needs some cleaning up, because some editions seems to be made into editions of the original books again, and the new ones needs to be added correctly.

I think the Frankenstein edition is added correctly to Goodreads. ISBN 9789463492515 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4... with the Dutch writer as author, and the original author as a creator. I think this needs to happen as well at the following editions:
*Romeo & Julia ISBN 9789463492508 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4... in stead of Tiny Fisscher being names as a adaptor
* Het vreemde verhaal van dokter Jekyll en de heer Hyde ISBN 9789463492522 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4... Same as Jekyll & Hyde
* Dantes goddelijke komedie: de hel ISBN https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5...

There is a problem with the Dickens' Kerstverhaal: it has to entries on Goodreads, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5... and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5...

And I suggest, when everything is i the right authorplace, to make this into a series. The series should be called Wereldklassiekers. Romeo & Julia is the first one, then Frankenstein, Jekyll & Hyde is the third one, Dickens the forth and Dantes the fifth.

I hope someone will help me with this little project!


message 6: by lethe (new)

lethe | 13662 comments Odette wrote: "And I suggest, when everything is i the right authorplace, to make this into a series. The series should be called Wereldklassiekers. Romeo & Julia is the first one, then Frankenstein, Jekyll & Hyde is the third one, Dickens the forth and Dantes the fifth."

Wereldklassiekers is not a series. To be a series on GR, books need to have characters in common and/or take place in the same universe.


message 7: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments @Iethe Ah thanks for that clarification. Is there a way to indicate a collection of this sort?


message 8: by lethe (last edited Oct 26, 2020 04:13AM) (new)

lethe | 13662 comments Odette wrote: "@Iethe Ah thanks for that clarification. Is there a way to indicate a collection of this sort?"

The title of the collection can be put in the edition field (if it's an official title), plus the number, if there is one. F.e.:
Wereldklassiekers #1

Also, a Listopia could be created for a collection.

P.S. My name starts with lower case l, not upper case I. Lethe, not Iethe :)


message 9: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments @Lethe Sorry for spelling your name wrong! Which of the options, edition or Listopia, is more visible from the bookpage, and which is clickable? Or should I do both?

And can you help with the correct way to display the authors/creator thing?


message 10: by lethe (new)

lethe | 13662 comments No worries :)

The edition field is visible in the book record, but not clickable. If I know the book belongs to a publisher's series/collection, I personally always list it in the edition field, but it is not compulsory.

Above the community reviews on the book page, there is a section "Lists with this book" (example: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... ), and you can click on the link to show all lists featuring that particular book.

The adapter should be listed first and the creator last in the list of authors. If it is a lot of work, I'd suggest changing the folder to "Looking for a project?"


message 11: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments @Lethe Oh it's not the amount of work that is a problem for me, I wanted to make sure I did it not against the Goodreads Librarian rules so I wanted a second opinion on this! I will do this project today I think now I know how to approach things, thank you very much for your help with this!


message 12: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments I got it all fixed and created the Listopia list. Is there a way to make this a static list..?


message 13: by lethe (new)

lethe | 13662 comments Odette wrote: "I got it all fixed and created the Listopia list. Is there a way to make this a static list..?"

Don't you think it's likely that more books will be published in the Wereldklassiekers collection?


message 14: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments Yeah there will be, but at least half a year from now, and then I can edit them maybe? I don't want other people to mix up this list..


message 15: by Arenda (new)

Arenda | 19990 comments This is the link to the list: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...

When I go to edit this list, there is a "?" with extra information about making it a static list. It says: "Only the creator and librarians will be able to add books". So you will be able to add books to this list.


message 16: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments @Arenda Thank you!

Also, there seems to be a problem with some of the books? They does not show as read in the list, but when I click on them, I've marked them as read... Also, there is no average rating atc at top, while people have rated it.. For example Romeo & Julia. Is this something that the system needs to catch up on, or did I do something wrong..?


message 17: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments I cannot find the ?, maybe because I'm not a super-librarian?


message 18: by lethe (last edited Oct 27, 2020 08:01AM) (new)

lethe | 13662 comments Arenda wrote: "This is the link to the list: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...

When I go to edit this list, there is a "?" with extra information about making it a static..."


Thanks for this info. I thought static meant frozen. ETA Oh, it does.

@Odette, I think the ? has gone because it was made static.


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 6585 comments Odette wrote: "I cannot find the ?, maybe because I'm not a super-librarian?"

Yes, only staff and supers can make a list static.


message 20: by Arenda (last edited Oct 27, 2020 09:26AM) (new)

Arenda | 19990 comments Odette wrote: "I cannot find the ?, maybe because I'm not a super-librarian?"

That must be the reason. And that's why I provided the info, as I wasn't sure if that info was available for everyone.
I've made this list static.

Also, there seems to be a problem with some of the books? They does not show as read in the list, but when I click on them, I've marked them as read... Also, there is no average rating atc at top, while people have rated it.. For example Romeo & Julia. Is this something that the system needs to catch up on, or did I do something wrong..?

Most likely these are all caching issues and need some time.
Romeo & Julia was still combined with some other editions. I've just separated them.
I don't have much experience with lists, but I do know that after separating, some things on a book page can take quite some time to update.


message 21: by Odette (new)

Odette Brethouwer (odettebrethouwer) | 378 comments Thank you for making the list static and for separating the editions!


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