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message 1: by Leticia (new)

Leticia Martinez (nierika) | 9 comments I forgot to add 5G was launched in Wuhan in October 2019


message 2: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments CNN: Israeli Analyst Says One Coronavirus Conspiracy Theory Is Less Crazy Than You Think https://www.ccn.com/israeli-analyst-o...
Unconfirmed reports suggest the Wuhan Coronavirus may be a bioweapon developed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.


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Leticia Martinez (nierika) | 9 comments https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how...

‘This is a novel coronavirus.’ As infections exceed 5,974, here’s how the illness has spread across the world so rapidly


message 4: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments So novel coronavirus is different to the coronavirus?


message 5: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments James wrote: "So novel coronavirus is different to the coronavirus?"

There is a family of coronaviruses. Several of them cause the common cold, and the family name depends on what they look like under an electron microscope - something to do with the characteristic folds of the RNA.

This new one is more dangerous because nobody has any immunity to it.


message 6: by James, Group Founder (last edited Jan 30, 2020 02:52AM) (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Mystery lab next to coronavirus epicentre
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/hea...
Just 30 kilometres from where the coronavirus originated, there is a mystery lab one expert claims is part of a secret biological weapons program.

The Washington Times quoted former Israeli intelligence officer Dany Shoham as claiming The Wuhan Institute of Virology is part of a secret biological weapons program.

“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese (biological weapons), at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility,” he asserted without corroborating evidence.

Mr Shoham says he was a Mossad lieutenant colonel specialist in biological and chemical warfare. But so far he’s the only apparent expert to make such a link.


message 7: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Coronavirus outbreak a result of Chinese biological espionage?
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/202...
Did Chinese biological warfare program agents smuggle the virus into the country?

While there is no proof that the virus outbreak was intentional, James Giordano, a neurology professor at Georgetown University and senior fellow in Biowarfare at the US Special Operations Command said that China's growing investment in bio-science, looser ethics around gene-editing raise the spectre of such pathogens being weaponised. It could also mean that such an offensive agent could benefit China which might have the only treatment or vaccine.


message 8: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments Never believe the obvious when there is an alternative with absolutely no evidence, and benefits China but killing off so many citizens and bringing its industries and trade to its heels. Hmmmm . . .


message 9: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Many Russians Think America Created the Wuhan Coronavirus, and the Reasons May Shock You https://www.ccn.com/many-russians-thi...
Several Russian scientists believe America created the Wuhan coronavirus to sabotage China while making boatloads of money off a cure.

Many Russians, including scientists and politicians, believe the United States may have weaponized coronavirus against China. | Image: REUTERS / Stringer

Russian scientists and political leaders are claiming that the United States created the Wuhan coronavirus.
They believe the disease is a bioweapon designed to destabilize China while generating huge profits for American pharmaceutical companies.

Russia has closed its land border with China in response to the Wuhan coronavirus threat.

As debates over the origin of the Wuhan coronavirus rage on, new voices join the discussion.

Russian media sources suggest the novel disease, provisionally known as 2019-nCoV, could be an American made bio-weapon designed to sabotage China.

his comes at a time when the rapidly expanding outbreak has grown to infect more than 8,000 people with 170 fatalities. Russia has closed its border with China in response to the threats.

Is The Coronavirus An American Bio-Weapon?
The recent tensions between the United States and China are well known. The conflict is seen as a great power struggle between an established superpower and its burgeoning rival. The conflict’s scope ranges from a trade war to disputes over the South China Sea and 5G internet.

Some in Russia believe these tensions have pushed the United States’ government to take drastic actions to achieve its goals.

Igor Nikulin, a former member of the U.N. Commission on Biological and Chemical Weapons, claims he was contacted by Chinese colleagues who believe the coronavirus is man-made.

Nikulin states the following:

"It all looks like sabotage. First of all, this is the city of Wuhan – it’s the center of the country, a major transportation hub, plus now the Chinese New Year – hundreds of millions of Chinese will travel around the country to relatives, acquaintances, and so on."

Nikulin goes on to make an even more stunning (and perhaps implausible) suggestion — that American corporations may have created the Wuhan coronavirus to make money off a cure.

He states:

"It can be beneficial for American corporations that are developing these kinds of new diseases just for profit. Or maybe for the Americans themselves, because America is the only country that has 400 military biological laboratories around the world, not only around Russia but also around China, in Malaysia, in Indonesia, in the Philippines – the US military is everywhere."

Nikulin isn’t the only notable Russian spouting these extreme claims. Politicians are also using the opportunity to bash America. Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a leader of the Russian LDPR, has publicly stated that America could have caused the crisis to undermine Chinese economic power while making tons of money in the process.

He said:

"Pharmacists will become billionaires in 2020, and everyone will quickly forget everything."


message 10: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments So on top of the Coronavirus, China is now dealing with Bird Flu! (and their sharemarket is being wiped out due to all the medical fears surrounding the country)...

China Culls 18,000 Chickens After H5N1 Bird Flu Cases in Hunan https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...


message 11: by Krishna (new)

Krishna | 42 comments https://m.economictimes.com/news/inte...



Bangkok: A Chinese woman infected with the new coronavirus showed a dramatic improvement after she was treated with a cocktail of anti-virals used to treat flu & HIV, Thailand's health ministry said Sunday. The 71-year-old patient tested negative for the virus 48 hours after Thai doctors administered the combination, doctor Kriengsak Attipornwanich said during the ministry's daily press briefing.

"The lab result of positive on the coronavirus turned negative in 48 hours," Kriengsak said.

"From being exhausted before, she could sit up in bed 12 hours later."


message 12: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments Promising news


message 13: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Ian wrote: "Promising news"

Unless this Chinese lady turns in to a Zombie tomorrow, Ian!


message 14: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments I asked a medical laboratory scientist friend of mine about whether this new coronavirus is being over-hyped, or whether concerns of a mega global pandemic are valid. She's been too busy with her own work to even follow the news much on this virus, but she said were she to ever investigate it these are some of the immediate subjects she would research:

1. Look at areas that are the most affected.
2. Are they near each other? I heard much of the virus left China to the nearby countries due to travel.
3. Do these areas have proper healthcare?
4. Do these areas have proper sanitation?
5. Do majority of the individuals affected have poor immune systems?
6. The WHO considered this state of emergency or whatever term they use, I forgot. Why? Often their declaration is hyped up. I would go back and read the actual declaration and comments they made about it during their meeting or press release.


message 15: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments The bird flu beginning in China at the same time is a bit odd also...

China sees bird flu outbreak near coronavirus epicenter: report https://www.foxnews.com/health/china-...


message 16: by Krishna (new)

Krishna | 42 comments James wrote: "I asked a medical laboratory scientist friend of mine about whether this new coronavirus is being over-hyped, or whether concerns of a mega global pandemic are valid. She's been too busy with her o..."

That is the thing James....
China and it's neighbouring countries (like mine) have huge population contributing around 40 percent of the total world population....and these countries are not well equipped to face this virus outbreak......


message 17: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Gates Foundation Simulated Exact Coronavirus Outbreak Scenario Last November With “Event 201” http://fmshooter.com/gates-foundation...

A laboratory in Wuhan, China was cleared to work with the most dangerous pathogens in the world in 2017. Once the outbreak of the coronavirus went public, it was reported that the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (just 8 miles from the lab) was the culprit of the virus, where wild (and often illegal) animals are sold. However, no link with the market and Patient Zero were found.

The market likely had some hand in transmitting the virus, given its unsanitary conditions and high volume of human traffic, but the coincidence of the Wuhan lab’s location becomes even more disconcerting when viewed in light of the currently “unrelated” events.

In what has to be bizarre coincidence, in just November of last year, the Gates Foundation held a simulation called “Event 201”. Event 201 simulated an outbreak of a “zoonotic “coronavirus”. “Zoonatic” would be the spread of disease through animals (vertebrates).


MORE ON THE CORONAVIRUS… A REAL SIMULATION? https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/01/mor...

"...in addition to the fact that the virus may have been stolen and weaponized by Chinese spies inside of Canada's National Micriobiology Laboratory, there is an additional "coincidence" in that the outbreak appears to have occurred during the height of the Chinese lunar new year, when many people in China travel."

"All of this raises certain questions: did the virus accidentally leak from the laboratory? The article would suggest "no," and as we saw earlier this week, the laboratory from which the Chinese apparently obtained the virus was in Canada, where the two alleged Chinese spies were caught, and expelled."


message 18: by Lance, Group Founder (new)

Lance Morcan | 2809 comments James wrote: "I asked a medical laboratory scientist friend of mine about whether this new coronavirus is being over-hyped, or whether concerns of a mega global pandemic are valid. She's been too busy with her o..."

Flu viruses kill tens of thousands of people worldwide every year. I heard the flu virus death toll (unconfirmed) in the US alone last year was 70,000. So, the coronavirus death toll has now officially topped 400. In light of the aforementioned statistics, does that toll warrant the panicked global response we are witnessing or is the whole thing being over-hyped? Just askin'.


message 19: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Lance wrote: "I heard the flu virus death toll (unconfirmed) in the US alone last year was 70,000...."

Yes, but there are 320M Americans and a high percentage of those get the flu each winter...So 70K dying each year is a very low mortality rate...

Whereas with the Coronavirus about 500 have died already from only 20K infected. That's 1 death per every 40 infected, but that death rate may increase as many of the infected are still bed-ridden.

So if the virus spread further, and internationally, I assume it would be a lot more serious for governments to deal with than the ordinary flu. Unless I'm missing something.


message 20: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments The 20 k is probably an underestimate


message 21: by James, Group Founder (last edited Feb 05, 2020 11:00PM) (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Research paper by Indian scientists on coronavirus fuels bioweapon theories https://www.theweek.in/news/sci-tech/... The research paper by IIT Delhi, DU scientists was uploaded on January 31 on bioRxiv

Zero Hedge, a popular US news blog focussing on the capital markets, was suspended by Twitter on Friday shortly after it tweeted a post about an article on the novel coronavirus outbreak in China. The post alleged that the coronavirus was obtained by China and was being modified into a 'bioweapon'.

Interestingly, the post also cited a research paper on the coronavirus by a group of Indian scientists from the school of biological sciences at IIT Delhi and Acharya Narendra Dev College of University of Delhi.

Earlier, Zero Hedge had uploaded contact details of a Chinese scientist, who it effectively held as being responsible for being behind the coronavirus outbreak. The revelation of personal details violates Twitter's policies.

The research paper was uploaded on January 31 on bioRxiv, an open source initiative containing resources on biological research. The research paper claims the spike protein in novel coronavirus contained four "insertions" that "are not present in other coronaviruses". The research paper notes, "amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag". HIV is the virus that causes AIDS.

The scientists argue that similarity in amino acid identity was "not a random fortuitous finding", hinting that it could have been engineered. However, the paper does not delve deeper into the possibility of virus being engineered deliberately.

However, the study by the Indian scientists has attracted some scepticism already. Dr Eric Feigl-Ding, an epidemiologist who has been associated with Harvard and Johns Hopkins, said the research work had not been peer reviewed in order for it to be verified or refuted.

Earlier this week, an Indian news portal, GreatGameIndia, claimed the origin of the coronavirus can be traced to Canada and two Chinese biological warfare program agents who smuggled it into China.


message 22: by Lance, Group Founder (last edited Feb 07, 2020 02:48AM) (new)

Lance Morcan | 2809 comments This from the National Vaccine Information Center (Feb. 7 PST)...
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/0...


message 23: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments haha, 2 weeks after it was mentioned right here in the Underground (and of course elsewhere in alternative media sites), a mainstream media TV channel finally covers the subject...

Gravitas: Is the coronavirus a biological weapon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjog_...
Is China's coronavirus a biological weapon? Was the virus made in a laboratory? Did Chinese 'spies' smuggle out the virus from Canada? WION's Palki Sharma fact checks some of the theories around the coronavirus outbreak.


message 24: by Debby (new)

Debby Kean | 165 comments Many New Zealand people on Twitter seem to believe this, but I await more information.


message 25: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments Ha! Twitter, that great source of misleading "information". The virus has about 97% bat characteristics, and 33 samples from the live animal section of the Wuhan animal and fish market have shown positive for the virus. Now, I wonder where it came from?


message 26: by James, Group Founder (last edited Feb 10, 2020 04:32AM) (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Ian wrote: "Now, I wonder where it came from?..."

The controversial biowarfare lab that has bats in cages in it and is only 8 miles away from that Wuhan fish market?

I'm actually on the fence and not saying this virus has been caused by biological warfare, I have no fixed opinion and it could very well be 100% a random event of nature as you DEFINITELY think it is...

Then again Ian, the thousands of other conspiracy facts (not the theories, but the proven/verified/admitted-to conspiracies) listed in various other threads in this group all originally had scientists and other experts who were also speaking in absolutes but ended up being DEFINITELY wrong... The lesson there, in my opinion, is we need to question everything and not fall into "absolute certainty" which is anti-scientific at the end of the day...


message 27: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Sounds like a mysterious virus, alright...

COVID-19: WHO renames deadly coronavirus https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/20...
Global health agency says name picked to avoid references to specific location, animal species or group of people.

Coronavirus incubation period could be 24 days, say researchers https://www.pharmaceutical-technology...
A study by Chinese researchers found that the incubation period for the new coronavirus can be up to 24 days, contrary to the previously believed 14 days.


message 28: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments The Washington Times: China denies lab link to coronavirus as questions over origin mount https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...

Global Times, considered the editorial voice of the party, in an in-depth report this week cited Chinese experts who said that the coronavirus could not have been engineered in a laboratory.

China’s government officially has been silent on an international debate over whether the coronavirus may have come from a laboratory, or was the result of an animal virus that probably originated in bats and was transferred to humans through another animal.

A third theory is that the virus may have been under study at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which houses China’s sole Level 4 secure laboratory for conducting research on deadly viruses, and was spread through an infected worker or a test animal that was stolen or sold to a wild animal market in the city where the virus first emerged.

Tracking the virus

Former Israeli military intelligence officer Dany Shoham, who has studied Chinese biological warfare, said the Wuhan virology institute is linked to Beijing’s covert bio-weapons program.

“In principle, outward virus infiltration might take place either as leakage or as an indoor unnoticed infection of a person that normally went out of the concerned facility,” Dr. Shoham said. “This could have been the case with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but so far there isn’t evidence or indication for such incident.”

The fact that the institute’s high-security laboratory, the National Biosafety Laboratory, is located in Wuhan has prompted reports the highly contagious coronavirus may have been produced as part of civilian research or as part of China’s covert biological weapons program.

Dr. Mark Kortepeter, a biological warfare expert, said it would be difficult to prove any coronavirus was caused by a laboratory accident.

“Containment laboratories have multiple redundant safety mechanisms and procedures to guard against human error,” said Dr. Kortepeter, professor of epidemiology at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.

“If something were to be released from a containment laboratory, one would have to assume there was a breach in laboratory protocol. The most likely such event would be a worker who was accidentally exposed and then inadvertently exposed others,” said Dr. Kortepeter, author of “Inside the Hot Zone: A Soldier on the Front Lines of Biological Warfare.”

A Chinese government-funded study published Jan. 24 in the medical journal The Lancet by 29 Chinese scientists found that 13 of 41 victims surveyed had no connection to the wild animal market. Significantly, the first patient identified with the coronavirus was a man who reported pneumonia-like symptoms on Dec. 1 but had no connection to the market.

Chinese authorities hid the outbreak for nearly two months and only confirmed it publicly in state media on Jan. 23. The weeks of inaction contributed to the rapid spread of the virus which has now expanded around the world.

Sen. Tom Cotton, Arkansas Republican, joined the debate last week, questioning China’s claim for nearly two months that the virus originated from a wild animal market and that “locals had contracted it from animals in say bat soup or snake tartar.”

“That is not the case,” he said, referring to The Lancet study.


message 29: by Lance, Group Founder (new)

Lance Morcan | 2809 comments Is the Coronavirus a Bioweapon? https://www.theepochtimes.com/is-the-...
A look at the Chinese regime's biological warfare intentions, capabilities

No less a figure than Dr. Francis Boyle, an expert on biowarfare, believes that “the coronavirus that we’re dealing with here is an offensive biological warfare weapon.”

Speaking of Wuhan’s Institute of Virology, which is at the epicenter of the epidemic, he added that there have “been previous reports of problems with that lab and things leaking out of it.”


message 30: by Lynn (new)

Lynn | 24 comments Currently I think this virus is contagious; but, something else promotes the deathly affects. I think either China, US or HongKong leaders know what this is all about; certainly not collatborative. I think there are threats to governments or to the military's 'in the air'.
On the other hand, we are aware of people with hazmat suits getting infected. Why are we seeing vehicles and streets getting sprayed/cleaned? Not all activites are making sense yet.


message 31: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Lynn wrote: "Not all activites are making sense yet....."

agreed


message 32: by Harry (new)

Harry Whitewolf | 1745 comments I'm on the fence about the conspiracy theories regarding Novel Coronavirus, but I'm surprised that no one seems to be mentioning how much it has made the Hong Kong protests dwindle significantly in recent weeks.... When it looked like nothing could stop the anti-Beijing protests...


message 33: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Exclusive: Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news...
Instead of creating immunity the virus can reportedly reinfect an individual and hasten fatal heart attack


message 34: by Lynn (new)

Lynn | 24 comments Great article. I've learned about some of this, with heart diagrams on Peak Prosperity, specifically . Some characterizations are also noted in the video (smokers, etc). Very sad for all those that die with these isolation diseases. I'm still not over the Ebola crisis.
I dislike the current fact that 'the virus outsmarts us'. Yikes.
On a lighter side, maybe 'man with bird head' was trying to tell us something about how mankind has long ago destroyed itself (by playing) with nature. It's all about DNA now.
Where's the Monsa-i mean Bayer- reports on this CoVid virus? In order to change our food supply to herbicide resistance manmade seeds (need to buy every year), they should be near the front lines with disease strand knowledge in humans.


message 36: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments This was mid-DECEMBER 2019, just before the outbreak...

Chinese institutes investigate pathogen outbreaks in lab workers https://www.nature.com/articles/d4158...


message 37: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Richard H. Ebright (@R_H_Ebright - Board of Governors Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology @RutgersU in NJ, USA) strongly believes the Coronavirus to be due to a leak from the Wuhan laboratory due to poor biosecurity -- anyone interested can ask him directly via his twitter.

He tweeted that the current virus stems from the "bat coronavirus RaTG13 (published bat coronavirus with highest similarity to outbreak virus; collected in cave in Yunnan in 2013; maintained since 2013 in lab in Wunan)."


message 38: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments James wrote: "Exclusive: Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news...
Instead of creating immunity the virus can reportedly reinfect an individual..."


Other coronaviruses cause the common cold. Anyone think you can only get a cold once? Of course there are also a range of viruses that cause colds, but it seems highly unlikely you develop any total immunity to any of them.


message 39: by James, Group Founder (last edited Feb 15, 2020 06:11PM) (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Furthermore and specifically, Professor Ebright tweeted this regarding the Wuhan lab and the initial outbreak of the Coronavirus (he states elsewhere the correct biosafety level for experimenting with any virus of this nature in a lab is BSL-4 rather than the BSL-2 the Chinese were apparently employing):

Possible infection in cave (inadequate PPE), in transit from cave (inadequate PPE), in Wuhan CDC lab (inadequate biosafety level--BSL-2--and inadequate PPE), and/or in collaborating Wuhan Institute of Virology lab (inadequate biosafety level--BSL-2--and inadequate PPE). https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/statu...


message 40: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments If true, what is the probability of a number of such virologists having a somewhat unpleasant change of lifestyle?


message 41: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Did coronavirus originate in Chinese government laboratory? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...
Scientists believe killer disease may have begun in research facility 300 yards from Wuhan wet fish market

Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology concludes that 'the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan'
It points to research on bats and respiratory diseases carried by the animals at the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and the Wuhan Institute of Virology
WCDC is just 300 yards from the seafood market and is adjacent to the hospital
Chinese scientists believe the deadly coronavirus may have started life in a research facility just 300 yards from the Wuhan fish market.

A new bombshell paper from the Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology says that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion in Hubei province.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...


message 42: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments "We still don’t know where coronavirus originated. Could have been a market, a farm, a food processing company. I would note that Wuhan has China’s only biosafety level-four super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus." - Tom Cotton, U.S. Senator of Arkansas https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/stat...


message 43: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1361 comments I think we still don't know, but I suspect the job prospects of the Director and some others at that Wuhan lab are looking dire


message 44: by Lance, Group Founder (new)

Lance Morcan | 2809 comments Chinese scientists says COVID-19/coronavirus could have originated from government https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC0gw...

"...result of biologicial weapons research."


message 45: by Lynn (new)

Lynn | 24 comments This is a bit crazy but it discusses the thousands talent plan, a 2025 goal, and the CIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83VJQ...


message 46: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11243 comments Lynn wrote: "This is a bit crazy but it discusses the thousands talent plan, a 2025 goal, and the CIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83VJQ..."


Wow, that's food for thought as the doctor there (Dr. Paul Cottrell) who is saying they have absolute proof the virus is biowarfare and has been geoengineered to contain HIV insertions and CRISPR gene editing, is not fringe but of Harvard Medical School.


message 47: by Isabella (new)

Isabella Hale | 39 comments Actually this is an area where I spent years working in a Biohazard lab; I have had many conversations on line and also reviewed lot of work .. actually scientific work since I have b.s. in Molecular Biology which covers biochemistry and virology. My only comment right now since I have made so many on FB and Twitter is it is my belief that the Chinese attempted to weaponize SARS.. and they blew it. There is scientific evidence included a University which sequenced the Genome of COVID and SARS and they are too similar to be a coincidence and "footprints" of insertions on Genetic material have been found by Scientists. That is all I will say for now. You all can look up SARS, Genome, Bioweapons, Virology and see for yourself. China has lied about ALL OF IT: it is anyone's guess as to the why of it: test? Control of Hong Kong, economic destabilization is not one of my beliefs.


message 48: by Isabella (new)

Isabella Hale | 39 comments Ian wrote: "I think we still don't know, but I suspect the job prospects of the Director and some others at that Wuhan lab are looking dire"

As the world struggles to contain the new virus,... a new speculation from the Chinese scientists,... who believe it may have originated at a research facility not far from the Wuhan fish market. quoting from the ARTICLE.. this translation is not a good. This is NOT a NEW virus nor is it NOVEL. Genetically it is related to the SARS and it is also NOT deadly.. it is a respiratory virus.. which can cause death to immune compromised, COPD, older people.. in fact there are articles out there saying it was misdiagnosed in Wu han. FOR SURE IT DID NOT come from the Sea food market. I have been extremely BUSY lately, but will be back. I am reading some other 'topics' right now.. for me this is what I spent my life working in,, it is fascinating to see the non information by both the U.S Media, China. etc. Oh make that undereducated. This is a complex topic. take care.


message 49: by Isabella (new)

Isabella Hale | 39 comments James wrote: "Furthermore and specifically, Professor Ebright tweeted this regarding the Wuhan lab and the initial outbreak of the Coronavirus (he states elsewhere the correct biosafety level for experimenting w..."

Correct I worked in a BSL-4 lab here in the US.. and FOR SURE that type of virus should be in a BSL-4 lab,, so that was an error.. on somoene's part. The Chinese know this and so does Dr Fauci here at NIH.


message 50: by Lance, Group Founder (new)

Lance Morcan | 2809 comments Further to my question posed in Message #19 above...

CDC News reported The Lancet announced "646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year..."

If we are agreed Coronavirus is yet another flu virus, are flu virus deaths generally (INCLUSIVE OF Coronavirus) thus far in 2020 occurring at around the same rate of previous years or has this latest scare resulted in higher-than-normal flu virus deaths?

Or is someone over-hyping the current situ?


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