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message 1: by Ang (new)

Ang | 1685 comments I find myself on the annual mission to see all the best film nominees.

It's been mostly good so far.

I have seen Jojo Rabbit, Marriage Story, 1917, Little Women, and two-thirds of The Irishman (it is 3.5 hours long!)

I will finish the Irishman but from what I've seen so far, I do not see why it is on the list.


message 2: by Antonomasia (new)

Antonomasia | 2630 comments Thanks Ang, I'd totally forgotten to do this thread.


message 3: by Paul (new)

Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 8499 comments Put me down for Team Parasite - and Frozen 2 for Best Animation. Am making a rare trip to the cinema to see an adult film for Parasite when it comes out, a couple of days pre the ceremony.


message 4: by Ang (new)

Ang | 1685 comments Yes, that's when I'm seeing Parasite too.


message 5: by Paul (last edited Jan 26, 2020 03:35PM) (new)

Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 8499 comments I mentioned the movie to some millennial friends - who had all already seen it via download streams. Didn't really know that was a thing - and I suspect not a legal one. They looked equally bemused at this bizarre cinema thing of which I spoke.


message 6: by Sam (new)

Sam | 1602 comments I agree with Ang that The Irishman dosen't deserve a best picture nomination
I feel the same way about Once upon a Time in Hollywood, though it deserves a special Oscar for appearing to be the film most blatantly trying to win an Oscar.

But the bigeest WTF are they thinking nominating this??? has to be Joker.

The only other film I saw so far is Pararsite which was my favorite of the year.


message 7: by Nadine (new)

Nadine (nadinekc) | 198 comments Sam wrote: "I agree with Ang that The Irishman dosen't deserve a best picture nomination
I feel the same way about Once upon a Time in Hollywood, though it deserves a special Oscar for appearing to be the film..."


I agree that Irishman and Once Upon are perfect Oscar fodder, but I still think they are both solid movies. Not quite the power punch of Parasite, which would get my Oscar vote.


message 8: by Antonomasia (new)

Antonomasia | 2630 comments In case you haven't already seen them, the list of each country's entry for Best International Feature:
https://www.screendaily.com/news/in-p...

and the shortlisted films for several categories including international and documentary:
https://oscars.org/oscars/92nd-oscars...


message 9: by Ang (new)

Ang | 1685 comments Joker is the one I am least intersted in. Ford v Ferrari (or Le Mans 66 as it is called in the UK - evidently we are not allowed brand names in titles) is the most elusive. Once Upon a time in Hollywood is available to purchase for £5.99 on amazon Prime Video.


message 10: by Ang (new)

Ang | 1685 comments Parasite is riveting. It's taken the top spot for me.

(Paul, don't take the kids).

1. Parasite
2. Jojo Rabbit
3. Marriage Story
4. Little Women
5. 1917
6. One Upon a Time in... Hollywood
7. The Irishman

Haven't seen Joker or Ford v Ferrari


message 11: by Paul (new)

Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 8499 comments Great! Going tomorrow but yes, no children accompanying.


message 12: by Jan (new)

Jan Little Women was an amazing film. It's got my vote.


message 13: by Jan (new)

Jan Little Women was an amazing film. It's got my vote.


message 14: by Trevor (new)

Trevor (mookse) | 1842 comments Mod
I loved Parasite.

My list so far would be

1. Parasite
2. The Irishman
3. Marriage Story
4. Once Upon a Time…in Hollywood
5. Joker

I still need to see the other four, though I’m not sure I will get around to Ford v. Ferrari or 1917 too soon. Most interested in Little Women and JoJo Rabbit.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer | 5246 comments I never watch films but I read lots of reviews and form my judgement that way and Parasite is a clear winner - even today had the Spectator and New Statesman agreeing which for a film with a political subtext (which normally ends up with one of them loving the film and the other denouncing it, depending on the subtext) is quite an achievement.


message 16: by Robert (new)

Robert | 1972 comments Still have to watch parasite. Hopefully it will hit our cinemas soon but I liked jojo rabbit a lot. I thought the Irishman was good but Scorsese has done better. I hated a marriage story, thought joker was great but I noticed that cinema snobs thought it’s overrated and once upon a time in Hollywood is a return to form for Tarantino. Everything is my opinion of course


message 17: by Trevor (new)

Trevor (mookse) | 1842 comments Mod
I thought Joker was detestable, honestly. I though Phoenix did a great job, but ugh the script and structure!


message 18: by Paul (new)

Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 8499 comments I would be surprised, unfortunately, if Parasite won Best Film and won’t be staying up to watch the ceremony, although Best Director is a possibility.

The only time I have ever had such a strong interest in one film winning and so did stay up to watch was Let It Go from Frozen for best song (and no I am not joking.)

But it has I think, as Graham says,won the critical acclaim / review battle - officially so per Metacritic:

https://www.metacritic.com/feature/be...

But oddly none of the cast seems to have had much award nomination success.

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/10/2105814...


message 19: by Robert (new)

Robert | 1972 comments Trevor wrote: "I thought Joker was detestable, honestly. I though Phoenix did a great job, but ugh the script and structure!"

I can understand that though - A lot of film cliches are chucked in there but I liked it. Also from a comic book point of view - it's refreshing to see a different take on the Joker origin story, films preferring the vat of toxic waste version.

I don't think it's THE GREATEST FILM EVER!!! (how the hell did it win the golden lion is a mystery) but it does have it's merits - I thought the paradox of the clown was done nicely and Phoenix carries the role well - I've never liked any of the joker's portrayal except for mark hamill so finally someone's doing a good job. For me, it gets a 7.5/10


message 20: by Robert (new)

Robert | 1972 comments Paul wrote: "I would be surprised, unfortunately, if Parasite won Best Film and won’t be staying up to watch the ceremony, although Best Director is a possibility.

The only time I have ever had such a strong i..."


Parasite won the Cannes palm d'or so that's quite an accolade :)


message 21: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW | 4604 comments Graham, do you not watch films because you’re not interested or because you just don’t get around to it? I want to see every film mentioned and I want to see them in the theater-pirated downloads are stealing and it’s not as good as the big screen in a dark room without the distractions of home. I won’t see any of them until they come to cable because I’m a homebody who hates to leave home.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer | 5246 comments Not sure I have ever seen one I have enjoyed as much as an average book.


message 23: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW | 4604 comments The reading area of my brain is more demanding than whatever the area of my brain governs watching movies, but I have seen exceptional films that I enjoyed more than a book that was just average. I just watched Parasite and enjoyed it far more than reading Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine. Not surprisingly indie films are most often much better than Hollywood blockbusters, so my husband and I try to find indie films to watch together. As introverted homebodies films are something we can share.

Parasite is as good as the hype and it is true that pretty quickly subtitles recede and the story takes over. Actually subtitled films might be the best type of movie for avid readers!

I’ve now watched 3 of the list. Irishman was pretty much every other Scorsese movie, except his stable of actors are all old men; it didn’t hold my interest. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood seemed like a movie I might like, but it didn’t hold my interest. My kids all told me I have to watch The Joker, but I’m not interested. The Marriage Story will make me anxious, plus I’ve been divorced, I don’t need to see it on screen to know it’s awful for everyone on both
sides of the family and should be an absolute last resort. I don’t plan on watching The Marriage Story.
I will watch Jojo Rabbit tomorrow and Knives Out as soon as it’s on cable.


message 24: by Robert (new)

Robert | 1972 comments WndyJW wrote: "The reading area of my brain is more demanding than whatever the area of my brain governs watching movies, but I have seen exceptional films that I enjoyed more than a book that was just average. I..."

That's why I just didn't like marriage story plus it's masculine - I'm getting bored of masculinity in films. Last night I tried to watch Uncut Gems but the machismo of it just put me off.


message 25: by Paul (new)

Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 8499 comments Loved Parasite.

Slightly distracted early on by the subtitles/original dissonance. Eg from the opening scene, few people in Korea use WhatsApp and the characters said they check Kakao but the subtitles said WhatsApp. And someone going to America (original) goes overseas (subtitles).

Which is that age old translation issue - how much do you adapt and contextualise for a foreign audience.

On reflection in a book I would prefer Kakao (the reader can always look it up plus context makes it obvious) but for a movie where subtitles aren’t up for long WhatsApp is less distracting.


message 26: by Ang (new)

Ang | 1685 comments I'm interested to know what you mean by Marriage Story being masculine, Robert. Many of the best picture nominees are, but I didn't think of Marriage Story that way.


message 27: by Trevor (new)

Trevor (mookse) | 1842 comments Mod
Robert, I am curious, genuinely and not to provoke, about your reaction to Joker and Marriage Story. This is because our responses to each are essentially opposite, and I find that interesting and worth looking at.

To me Joker was written and directed with a very masculine frame of reference, trying to incorporate a host (there must be no fewer than a dozen) social and cultural issues as straw men to explain and ultimately excuse madness and murder. I thought Phoenix did an exceptional job in the film. I think he will win tonight, and I am not upset about that. It’s Todd Phillips, director and writer of The Hangover films, Road Trip, Old School, among other frat boy homages, that I have major issues with. I find his Joker to be a movie about a man who feels slighted by the world he feels entitled to, and it offers all of those cultural and social issues as excuses to assert his rage. The thing that bothers me is that I think the film is on his side. We see the clear influence of King of Comedy and Taxi Driver here, but Phillips seems to have missed Scorsese’s deeper criticism of toxic masculinity in those films.

As for Marriage Story, I found Johansson and Dern and Weaver to be extremely bright lights, exceedingly human characters, in a film that I ultimately find hopeful and compassionate.

I don’t necessarily think I’m right and you’re wrong in my responses, so please don’t take this as a bad faith calling out. I’m genuinely curious and interested.


message 28: by Trevor (new)

Trevor (mookse) | 1842 comments Mod
I just saw Ang’s comment! Robert, please let us know!


message 29: by Robert (new)

Robert | 1972 comments Trevor wrote: "Robert, I am curious, genuinely and not to provoke, about your reaction to Joker and Marriage Story. This is because our responses to each are essentially opposite, and I find that interesting and ..."

Ah no problem at all.The focus in marriage story is mostly on Adam driver - how his wife pushes him out of her life, then he puts the forlorn lover puppy eyes look when in reality he was sleeping with another woman during his marriage. Then the nadir of the film is when driver sings - male ego overdrive. It’s like how woody Allen portrays men as loveable losers when in reality they are acting like jerks


message 30: by Antonomasia (new)

Antonomasia | 2630 comments There was this article 10 days ago about Brad Pitt's pre-Oscars charm offensive and how it improved his and his film's chances:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020...
... and now it's paying off.


message 31: by Sam (last edited Feb 09, 2020 08:40PM) (new)

Sam | 1602 comments Parasite did quite well. It seemed a consensus here and the academy voters agreed.


message 32: by Trevor (new)

Trevor (mookse) | 1842 comments Mod
I am very surprised. And delighted!


message 33: by Stacia (new)

Stacia | 54 comments I was very happy to see Taika Waititi win Best Adapted Screenplay for JoJo Rabbit. Well-deserved, imo.

And now I need to go see Parasite!


message 34: by Paul (new)

Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 8499 comments Fantastic for Parasite!


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer | 5246 comments Maybe at some point the Pulitzer and National Book Awards will also open up.


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Paul Fulcher (fulcherkim) | 8499 comments Deep Vellum offering 30% off their Korean books or 50% off on a bundle in honour of Parasite.

You can find reviews from me on three of the four on Goodreads.

http://deepvellum.org/product/korean-...


message 37: by Ella (new)

Ella (ellamc) | 1019 comments Mod
Paul wrote: "Deep Vellum offering 30% off their Korean books or 50% off on a bundle in honour of Parasite.

You can find reviews from me on three of the four on Goodreads.

http://deepvellum.org/product/korean..."


I went to see that sale & noticed they seem to have other books discounted as well (not nearly as much, but still a discount on at least some backlisters that I've had an eye on.) Beware PayPal, which adds a per book fee for shipping rather than their flat fee in the US. (If you get ding'd by paypal, they usually fix it.)


message 38: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW | 4604 comments I was surprised at how little violence there was in Joker considering the criticism. It’s violent, but I’ve seen far more violent movies. I walked out of Casino, not in protest, I just couldn’t handle the brutality.

I had a different take on Arthur Fleck. I didn’t see him as a man who felt justified because of social pressure alone, although he did rage about how crazy and cruel the city was, and I didn’t view him as toxically or even stereotypically masculine. He was almost effeminate, he loved children, and he wanted to make people laugh. I don’t think that his awareness of social issues was the reason he snapped. It was a perfect storm of brain damage, mental illness stemming from child abuse, the memories of which came back when he read his mother’s files, lack of access to medications, losing his job, being further victimized as an adult, and a gun placed in his hands. All of that created that fictional nemesis of Batman.
I do agree that we are meant to understand Arthur, why he became Joker, and even to cheer for him, which I agree is not a good message, but as I said, I don’t understand the outrage at the film’s violence. I didn’t think the movie itself was that good, if it wasn’t for Joaquin’s performance I’m guessing only Batman fans would watch it.


message 39: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW | 4604 comments I’m thick when it comes to noticing symbolism in books and movies, but it did strike me that the Kim family had to sit, face level, leaning on their toilet to connect to the outside world through What’sApp, that the drunk would urinate, again, face level, near their window, they showed the toilet the housekeeper’s husband used, and then everything the Kims owned was literally flooded with sewage, while we never saw the Park’s toilet, even when the Kim daughter was in the luxurious bathtub. The symbolism there is pretty in your face, if you will, so even I picked up on it.


message 40: by Trevor (new)

Trevor (mookse) | 1842 comments Mod
I don’t think it’s his awareness of social issues that made him snap, either. He is the victim of every social issue Todd Philips could think of, and I find that kind of thinking lazy and damaging.

I’m not sure I can quite explain this clearly, but I also agree that Joker himself, as a character on screen, is not the typical masculine role. He is not macho. I think he is the character the stereotypical masculine thinker would create, because Arthur wants to be macho and feels entitled to everything he thinks others have taken from him.

I did like the movie more than many of its most vocal detractors, I think, but I still feel very uncomfortable by it because I think it handles serious issues so poorly.


message 41: by Ella (new)

Ella (ellamc) | 1019 comments Mod
I virtually never go to the movies in the cinema, but you all have made me think very seriously about trying to see some of these films before they hit my various "tv" apps.


message 42: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW | 4604 comments We just watched Jojo Rabbit and I’m in a bit of daze. It was hard to find my footing in this film. First, I had to get used to being amused by Hitler, then when I told myself that was okay I was made uncomfortable again with the list of absurd horror stories German children were told about Jews as more fodder for humor, when I told myself it’s safe to laugh the point was driven home hard that none of it was funny and it was all heartbreaking and deadly serious, only to be allowed to smile again. I loved it and would watch it again.
This piece from Rainer Maria Rilke shown in the closing credits, was clearly Waititi’s guiding principle,

Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final.



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