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message 1: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (last edited Mar 04, 2020 08:31AM) (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
As many of you know, this March we as a group, just like the last year, will nominate works for Hugo 2020 and Retro Hugo 1945. The rules are the same as the year ago. One bonus is that this time we will have not one, but two votes, giving our nominees a greater chance.

First Stage
Everyone is eligible to post their personal list (up to 5 nominations) for each category they wish to vote. In order to simplify possible change in rules to more usual one member one nomination per category set the most wanted outcome first, for example:

You like to have 3 novels, you want to nominate and if you have to choose only one you go for Novel#1, so you write:

Best novel
Novel#1
Novel#2
Novel#3

Please nominate only works you have read!

Second Stage
You read other’s list and think that it will be nice to join your lists – it is easy if you have empty categories or at least vacant places (like #4 & #5 in the example above). If you agreed on a new joint list, any of you post it and add that you are a team, listing all team members. This way we can end up with a single group list. If not, we enter

Third Stage
Which is voting, one member one vote for either lists, or if there are too many or other problems, then for works (I guess only novel/novella/novelette/short story), which are #1 in personal nomination lists.

Everyone is able to edit and update their lists before he final vote!

Here is the schedule:
Now - Mar 5 - nomination lists are formed
Mar 6-10th voting for lists if needed (last year we managed to create a combined list w/o voting)
Mar 11th any final decisions
Mar 12th submission


message 2: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
Last year I had read so many and this year basically none.


message 3: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "Last year I had read so many and this year basically none."

There is still 1.5 months


message 4: by Antti (last edited Jan 25, 2020 02:42AM) (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 727 comments I've read several eligible books, but so far only a few of them feel worthy of a nomination.

BEST NOVEL
Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky
They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears by Johannes Anyuru
Recursion by Blake Crouch

NOVELLA
The Test by Sylvain Neuvel
Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom by Ted Chiang

NOVELETTE
"Omphalos" by Ted Chiang

SHORT STORY
"Gundark Island, or, Tars Tarkas Needs Your Help" by Matthew Corradi


message 5: by Gabi (last edited Jan 28, 2020 07:46AM) (new)

Gabi | 494 comments For novels :

1. Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky
2. The Future of Another Timeline by Annalee Newitz
3. They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears by Johannes Anyuru


I have to read more novellas or short stories to choose

So far it's only:

Novella

"Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom" by Ted Chiang


Novelette

Emergency Skin by N.K. Jemisin

Short stories

As the Last I May Know by S.L. Huang


message 6: by Eva (new)

Eva Thanks for the recommendations! :-)

@Gabi: I think you meant Children of Ruin? Children of Time came out in 2015.

I'm not going to vote since I've read almost no eligible books yet.


message 7: by Gabi (new)

Gabi | 494 comments Eva wrote: "Thanks for the recommendations! :-)

@Gabi: I think you meant Children of Ruin? Children of Time came out in 2015.

I'm not going to vote since I've read almost no eligible books yet."


Thanks, Eva! I did correct the entry.


message 8: by Antti (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 727 comments I forgot Children of Ruin: for shame! I've edited my list.

Gabi: Short story collections aren't eligible for Best Novel, so Exhalation can't be nominated. It had two new stories (Omphalos & Anxiety is the etc), so those are eligible.


message 9: by Cordelia (new)

Cordelia (anne21) | 53 comments Are books in translation eligible?


message 10: by Gabi (new)

Gabi | 494 comments Antti wrote: "I forgot Children of Ruin: for shame! I've edited my list.

Gabi: Short story collections aren't eligible for Best Novel, so Exhalation can't be nominated. It had two new stories (Omphalos & Anxiet..."


Thanks, Antti, I'll delete it. Then I have to figure out how many words "Anxiety" has (Novelette or Novella).


message 11: by Antti (last edited Jan 25, 2020 02:16AM) (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 727 comments IIRC, Anxiety is a novella and Omphalos a novelette. I added them to my list, as well.


message 12: by Gabi (new)

Gabi | 494 comments Antti wrote: "IIRC, Anxiety is a novella and Omphalos a novelette."

Thank you so much!


message 13: by Antti (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 727 comments Cordelia: "[W]orks first published in a language other than English are also eligible in their first year of publication in English translation."
(http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-cat...)


message 14: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (last edited Feb 24, 2020 11:19AM) (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
My list so far
Best Novel
Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky
A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World by C.A. Fletcher
Recursion by Blake Crouch
Famous Men Who Never Lived by K. Chess
Salvation Lost by Peter F. Hamilton

Best Novella
"Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom" by Ted Chiang
The Test by Sylvain Neuvel
Walking to Aldebaran by Adrian Tchaikovsky
To Be Taught, If Fortunate by Becky Chambers
The Serpent by Claire North

Best Novelette
"Omphalos" by Ted Chiang
“A Mate Not a Meal“, Sarina Dorie (Analog Science Fiction and Fact 3-4/19)
“Dave’s Head” by Suzanne Palmer

Best Short Story
"Gundark Island, or, Tars Tarkas Needs Your Help" by Matthew Corradi
“How the Trick Is Done” by A.C. Wise


message 15: by Gabi (new)

Gabi | 494 comments Is "The Death of Fire Station 10" eligible? ( You somewhere wrote that it was published earlier than 2019, Oleksandr). Then I would add it to my list as well


message 16: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Gabi wrote: "Is "The Death of Fire Station 10" eligible? ( You somewhere wrote that it was published earlier than 2019, Oleksandr). Then I would add it to my list as well"

oh, my bad, I forgot! Not eligible


message 17: by Antti (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 727 comments I didn't remember Recursion was published in 2019: added it as well.


message 18: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
I don't think Recursion. Blake Crouch was an Amazon writer for a long time and I think that they don't like that

I agree Emergency Skin by N.K. Jemisin for Novelette


message 19: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "I don't think Recursion. "

I guess you forgot to finish your thought and I'm waiting impatiently to find out what it was :)


message 20: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (last edited Jan 25, 2020 08:36AM) (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "I don't think Recursion. Blake Crouch was an Amazon writer for a long time and I think that they don't like that

Actually, my thought was that Blake Crouch was originally an Amazon writer, and I didn't think that the Nebula writers would nominate him for that reason. Plus, now that I think about it, I like his books a lot, but I'm not sure that the worldbuilding is that unique or nomination-worthy. I think Hugo more likely

Plus Dark Matter was better in the worldbuilding area.


message 21: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (last edited Jan 25, 2020 09:11AM) (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "Blake Crouch was originally an Amazon writer,."

Yes, it can be the case even if formally denied, there are different fandoms (and I don't mean Puppies now). The novels that got nominated for Hugo are mainly from Tor, Orbit and Saga. For Dragon awards - Baen...

Kateblue wrote: "Plus Dark Matter was better in the worldbuilding area.."

It is just like with Adrian Tchaikovsky - I liked his The Expert System's Brother much more than Walking to Aldebaran, but only 2019 works are eligible.


message 22: by Kalin (new)

Kalin | 596 comments Oleksandr wrote: "The rules are the same as the year ago. One bonus is that this time we will have not one, but two votes, giving our nominees a greater chance."

Hey so I wasn't here for the voting part last year. Can you explain this more? What I'm understanding right now: someone purchased a voting membership on behalf of this group and at the end of this voting period the group submits a single vote (or two this year) based on the results. Am I on the right track?


message 23: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
Yes, Kalin, that is exactly right. We all vote and somebody (Z) counts them up and submits the ballot. Sometime at the beginning of March.

What's the drop dead date for ballots, Z?


message 24: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "What's the drop dead date for ballots, Z?"

March 13th, 2020


message 25: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kalin wrote: "at the end of this voting period the group submits a single vote (or two this year) based on the results. Am I on the right track?"

Exactly


message 26: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
Figure out when you need all of our votes in, please, Z


message 27: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "Figure out when you need all of our votes in, please, Z"

Here is the schedule:
Now - Feb 29 - nomination lists are formed
Mar 1-10th voting for lists if needed (last year we managed to create a combined list w/o voting)
Mar 11th any final decisions
Mar 12th submission


message 28: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (last edited Jan 26, 2020 10:35AM) (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
Thank you Z. I am now starting a marathon reading of a bunch of eligibles.
BBL--much L


message 29: by Gabi (new)

Gabi | 494 comments I've added They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears from Antti's list to mine as well. Couldn't put it down.


message 30: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Tate | 335 comments Alas; I haven't read a single eligible novel. But I will be sure to read everything that makes it onto the group's shortlist! :)


message 31: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (last edited Jan 28, 2020 08:17AM) (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
A general note:
There are more categories, so you may post nominees for those as well. Here is the list:

BEST SERIES
BEST RELATED WORK
BEST GRAPHIC STORY
BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, SHORT FORM
BEST EDITOR, SHORT FORM
BEST EDITOR, LONG FORM
BEST PROFESSIONAL ARTIST
BEST SEMIPROZINE
BEST FANZINE
BEST FANCAST
BEST FAN WRITER
BEST FAN ARTIST
BEST ART BOOK
LODESTAR AWARD for BEST YOUNG ADULT BOOK
AMAZING (FORMER JOHN W. CAMPBELL) AWARD for BEST NEW WRITER

And Retro Hugos for 1945


message 33: by Antti (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 727 comments Gabi: Should we merge lists? We both have space and lots of overlapping entries.


message 34: by Gabi (new)

Gabi | 494 comments Antti: Gladly! How does this work? Or is the statement enough?


message 35: by Eva (new)

Eva I'd suggest Starsight for the Best Young Adult category.


message 36: by Kalin (new)

Kalin | 596 comments Placeholder post: I'm going to wait until more or less the last minute to submit mine, in the hopes that I can complete a little more reading of the eligible books.


message 37: by Antti (last edited Feb 26, 2020 11:52PM) (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 727 comments We teamed up with Gabi and we're now... Team #1! Here's our combined list:

BEST NOVEL
1. Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky
2. They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears by Johannes Anyuru
3. The Future of Another Timeline by Annalee Newitz
4. Recursion by Blake Crouch
5. A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine


NOVELLA
1. Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom by Ted Chiang
2. The Test by Sylvain Neuvel

NOVELETTE
1. Emergency Skin by N.K. Jemisin
2. "Omphalos" by Ted Chiang
3. Zeitgeber by Greg Egan

SHORT STORY
1. "Gundark Island, or, Tars Tarkas Needs Your Help" by Matthew Corradi
2. As the Last I May Know by S.L. Huang


message 38: by Ed (new)

Ed Erwin | 631 comments For your consideration: I highly recommend The Twilight Man: Rod Serling and the Birth of Television. Don't know whether it would fit in "graphic story" or "related work". Whatever. Just read it!


message 39: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Ed wrote: "For your consideration: I highly recommend The Twilight Man: Rod Serling and the Birth of Television. Don't know whether it would fit in "graphic story" or "related work". Whatever...."

Thanks! I plan to read at least three related works


message 40: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
A reminder that on Feb 29 we plan to have finalized lists, so post/update yours if needed


message 41: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
I would appreciate it if you would push that back a day because I will be traveling. I know you need time to assess, but I am unlikely to get it done.

If you can't let me know and I will give you what I have


message 42: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "I would appreciate it if you would push that back a day because I will be traveling."

I may. Moreover, bearing in mind our plans to read several eligibl;e novels in the other group I thought to shorten voting from 10 to 5 days


message 43: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
Whatever will work for you--you are aggregating the scores and getting the whole thing ready to submit. If you need it sooner, I will do it tomorrow, but I am reading some things between tomorrow and the first. I will be out of touch from the 27th through the 29th--and will therefore return to your gracious company on the first


message 44: by Kalin (last edited Feb 29, 2020 06:54PM) (new)

Kalin | 596 comments Best Novel

Alix E. Harrow - The Ten Thousand Doors of January

Best Novella

Ted Chiang - Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom

Best Novelette

Ted Chiang - Omphalos

Best Graphic Story

Marjorie Liu & Sana Takeda - Monstress vol. 4

Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form

There are literally no films I would vote for. As for seasons for television:

Russian Doll: Season 1 (Netflix)
Dark: Season 2 (Netflix)
Travelers: Season 3 (Netflix)
Chernobyl (HBO)
The Expanse: Season 4 (Amazon)

Best Dramatic Presentation Short Form

The Witcher: Betrayer Moon (Netflix)
The OA: SYZYGY (Netflix)
Love, Death & Robots: Three Robots (Netflix)
The Good Place: The Answer (NBC)
Legion: Chapter 23 (FX)

Best Fancast

The Coode Street Podcast
Our Opinions Are Correct
SF In Translation

Astounding Award For Best New Writer

C.L. Polk


message 45: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
A very nice list, Kalin. I'm ready to add it in full to mine and form Team #2 if you're interested


message 46: by Kalin (new)

Kalin | 596 comments Sure! :)

I realized afterwards that Travelers was released December 2018 so it's not eligible.


message 47: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (last edited Mar 03, 2020 12:18AM) (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
I cannot come up with more than this:

Novels

The Ten Thousand Doors of January
Middlegame
The Future of Another Timeline
A Memory Called Empire
Recursion
A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World (a book that I really, really loved, but probably won't be nominated)

Novellas

The Test
Knife Children (and or The Orphans of Raspay, but I bet on Knife Children because it's the first novella in a different world)
The Menace from Farside
Made Things
Sisters of the Vast Black
This Is How You Lose the Time War (no, I didn't like it, but I think everyone else will)

Novelette
Emergency Skin
Precious Little Things
Summer Frost


Short Story

It's the only short story I remember reading this year

I was thinking "I sexually identify as an attack helicopter" might get nominated, you can still read it here via the "wayback machine": http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/fall_... But I guess is was so offensive that it shouldn't/won't be.

So don't put it on our ballot. But if it is, remember I mentioned it.

TV/film
Avengers: Endgame
Captain Marvel
Russian Doll (I hope this wins, it was great.)
Stranger Things (season three)--No, I don't like season three even as well as season two. And neither was as good as season one. I haven't even gotten all the way through, but I still think it will get nominated.

Non-fiction

The Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein--No, I have not read it--too expensive and the library does not have it. But I want to, and I believe it will be nominated.

Campbell award for new author's book/best new author
Gideon the Ninth/Tamsyn Muir


message 48: by Kalin (last edited Mar 03, 2020 06:43AM) (new)

Kalin | 596 comments Certain things -- like Stranger Things season 3 and Game of Thrones season 8 -- don't deserve to be nominated even if you've run out of alternatives...

edit to add: not that I'm criticizing, but that rationale is why I didn't nominate Annalee Newitz


message 49: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3407 comments Mod
Kate, I plan to post my team#2 list later today and I'm ready to add most of your noms to it. One point, more than once you say "I don't like it but still" - no point to fill all noms.


message 50: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3615 comments Mod
I agree. Later, when we guess what will be nominated is the time that we should use the logic I stated above.

Also, I found another short story I liked, but I don't necessarily think it will make the list because I am sure no one else read it, It's Good Girls go to Heavenby Seanan McGuire. If it makes the list, great, but if not, oh, well


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