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City of God, St. Augustine
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Book I
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Madeleine wrote: "What surprises me is that the barbarians respected the Christian sanctuary unlike most conquering invaders, who have no qualms about violating the sacred spaces of their enemies."
You may have missed it Madeleine. The Visigoths were Christians themselves, albeit under the heresy of Arianism. So they understood the sacredness of the sanctuaries.
You may have missed it Madeleine. The Visigoths were Christians themselves, albeit under the heresy of Arianism. So they understood the sacredness of the sanctuaries.

A few take-aways from the first book:
Our beloved Saint Augustine of Hippo reminds me of that beautiful song “Windmills of the Mind”. His mind tumbles with ideas and memories one after another. For instance, he begins discussing the travesties of war and mentions the rape of probably a large number of women including married, unmarried, and religious sisters. He attempts to minister and reassure them by saying “so long as the mind stays firm in its resolve, through which the body also deserved to be sanctified, the violence of another’s lust does not take away the body’s holiness, which is preserved by the mind’s own perseverance in continence.” He goes on to say that sexual violation can cause shame to the victim and that shame can cause some women to become suicidal. He cautions them not to commit a worse sin than your offender committed by taking your own life. He remembers the story of Lucretia, who did commit suicide, and encourages Christian women not to follow her footsteps. Next, he discusses the commandment, You shall not kill. Augustine insists that scripture does not say You shall not kill your neighbor; therefore since nothing else is stated, there no exceptions. You shall not kill yourself or your neighbor; killing of animals who do not have reason and plants are okay, just don’t kill humans. Oh yes he said, there are a few exceptions to killing humans and he shares those with the reader. From subject to subject he moves: war, rape, holiness of mind and body, shame, suicide, etc. He can hardly complete one thought before another one occupies him. Some readers think he goes off on tangents; I think he is brilliant.
My translator, William Babcock, promises that Augustine’s idea that the pagan gods of fallen Rome are “actually pernicious demons” prevails throughout The City of God. That’s good, I have plenty of time to meditate on these two cities made by love. I feel the tension of these cities of earthly egos and eternal goodness living together every day in my life, just as Augustine centuries ago. I have started to pray earnestly for the church. I like what Saint Luke wrote, “You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.” (4:8) No false idols!
One last thing this book is doing for me . . . Augustine wrote “Christ’s faithful, do not let your lives become a burden to you, even if your enemies have made a plaything of your chastity. . . . . his judgements are inscrutable and his ways past finding out. But even so, question your souls honestly. Perhaps you took too much pride in your virginity and continence or purity. Perhaps you took delight in human praise and even envied others in this regard.” After reading those lines I began to examine my own conscience.

Book I
Subchapters:
- Barbarian Respect for Christ’s Churches as Places of Sanctuary
- Rome’s Conquered Gods
- Neither the Greeks or the Romans Respected the Temples of the Gods as Places of Sanctuary
- Divine Providence, Human Suffering, and Temporal Goods and Evils
- Why the Good also suffered in the Sack of Rome: Failure to Correct the Evil
- Forms of Christian Suffering: Loss of Riches
- Forms of Christian Suffering: Torture and Famine
- Forms of Christian Suffering: Dreadful Types of Death and Death Without Burial
- Forms of Christian Suffering: Captivity
- Captivity: The Example of Regulus and His Loyalty to His Gods
- Forms of Christian Suffering: Rape; Moral Purity and the Issue of Suicide
- Rape and Suicide: The Example of Lucretia
- Suicide: The Example of Cato
- Is Suicide Permissible to Avoid Sin?
- The Perils of Unfettered Prosperity: Scipio Nasica against Roman Extravagance
- The Theaters and the Gods
- The Intermingling of the Two Cities in this World
- Points of Further Discussion
My take as the central thesis of Book I, then, is that the sack of Rome cannot be seen as punishment from God because it is not clear that events in history can be discerned to God’s will. Bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people. Any event can be seen as a test from God, a punishment from God, or a result of collateral damage of an overarching movement of God’s will to shape history.