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Brave New World - Group 2

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Maria Jernigan (mariajernigan) | 143 comments Mod

Moderator & Response: Each group member will sign up to be the Moderator at least once. You will post the following the day BEFORE your moderator date. For example, if you are assigned November 12, then you must post your 1. questions and 2. artifact BEFORE 3:00PM on November 11.

As moderator, you will post:

*2-4 overarching questions that deal directly with reading due that day but that connect to the entire work. (Discussion worthy)
*An artifact (a relevant photo, painting, article (1-3 pages tops), a film clip, a video clip (15 min tops), etc.
*Interact with responses by commenting on your group’s observations about the text.
*You will provide Feedback to the posts.

Julia - November 14
Madelyn - November 18
Sam L. - November 21
Katherine - December 2
Allan -December 9

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments November 7: 1,2
November 11: 3,4
November 14: 5,6
November 18: 7,8
November 21: 9,10
December 2: 11,12
December 5: 13,14
December 9: 15,16
December 12: 17,18

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Maria Jernigan (mariajernigan) | 143 comments Mod
Threads to Track: Divide these up amongst yourselves.

One: Exile (Madelyn)
In Huxley's work, characters experience rifts and are cut off from “home,” whether that home is the characters' birthplace, family, homeland, or other special place. Find evidence of this exile and analyze how the character’s experience with exile is both alienating and enriching, and how this experience illuminates the meaning of the work as a whole. What does it suggest about Huxley and about the society?

Two: Conformity & Rebellion (Katherine)
In Kate Chopin’s The Awakening (1899), protagonist Edna Pontellier is said to possess “that outward existence which conforms, the inward life which questions.” Track a character who conforms outwardly while questioning inwardly. How does this tension between outward conformity and inward questioning contributes to the meaning of the work. How does Huxley develop this pattern in his work and what does it suggest about society itself?

Three: Distortion (Julia)
In questioning the value of literary realism, Flannery O'Connor has written, "I am pleased to make a good case for distortion because I am coming to believe that it is the only way to make people see."
Track evidence of distortion in Huxley's novel and "make a good case for distortion," as distinct from literary realism. Analyze how important elements of the work you choose are "distorted" and explain how these distortions contribute to the effectiveness of the work.

Four: Science & Religion (Allan)
Huxley examines broad categories and their overlapping parts in the novel. How does he represent both science and religion and what are his underlying arguments about each throughout the novel? How so? What does he suggest about these two topics?

Five: Dystopia & Utopia (Sam)
The power of the novel stems from the social order and its mainstream pleasures. Track the dystopian and utopian elements of the story. What does Huxley suggest about each? What criticism is he leveling at society? Why? Analyze his arguments but also the realism of his indictments.

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Maria Jernigan (mariajernigan) | 143 comments Mod
Sample Blog:

Another Magician: Something Wicked This Way Comes

After following John Wade through his horrid transformations in O'Brien's In the Lake of the Woods, looks like Fitzgerald provides another chameleon to lead us through this picture show of the Lost Generation. Dick Diver, Carnival Leader/Dream Weaver, takes shape and substance through direct and indirect observations of Rosemary, a lady whose "body hovered delicately on the last edge of childhood" (4). Poor Rosie, she will be drawn to Dick and his high society funhouse, but are her wings strong enough to carry her from its destruction?

The Divers wield culture like "kings," "rajahs," and "princes" (15). As a couple they are as mysterious as the sea- compelling, alluring, yet dangerous like fire. Dick's attentive handling of Rosemary "was all completely there" for "his voice [...] wooed the world" (19). Her reaction to the carnival was simply to let its "expensive simplicity" (21) consume her, but as the narrator quickly reminds us, she was "unaware of its complexity and lack of innocence" (21). Dick's "taking care of her" (21) includes his seductive words as he tells her she "look[s] like something blooming" (22). The god-like nature of the Divers is reinforced by Fitzgerald's characterization of their audience in that they "turned up ashen faces to [them], like souls in Purgatory watching the passage of a mortal" (23). Clearly distinguishing the two groups and the power they wield over others, the narrator gives this perception a duality...a hidden, secretive persona that begins to bleed into the "reality." The veil shifts as an outsider observes a hidden encounter or exchange of words. As she attempts to share her observations, she is silenced. For the Divers have fierce protectors (Cerberus like guardians) driven to guard hidden truths from crushing the "rose-colored" sandcastles built for the amusement and entertainment and seduction of their following.

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Maria Jernigan (mariajernigan) | 143 comments Mod
First Blog Assignment: Friday, November 7th

Write a 250 word Response (due at the end of class). I have posted a sample on their page to use as a guide. Include the following in your response:

a. A Creative Title
b. Embed Three quotations from your reading into the blog
c. Make a connection to another work of art (film, book, etc.)
d. Post your observations about the story and commentary stating its meaning and significance.
e. Discuss narrative structure of the work and why it matters.

See the sample above.

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments Humans or Machines?
The story begings "in media res" to a point where the director, whose name is ironically the director,gives a verbal and visual tour of the factory to young adult students who are visiting the facility, which is called the “London Hatchery and Conditioning Centre”. Since the story begins this way,it confuses the reader and gives them the disadvantage of not knowing where this plot and world bega, so that the author can set up the story and manipulate the reader's view and thoughts. He goes in to a dense explanation of how the humans are grown in bottles, and all the science to back it up. Each inhabitant is given one of five labels: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon, which show the inferiority tendencies of the society, and ultimately in modern government. Mr. Foster says, "but in epsilons, we dont need human intelligence" (11), which shows how advancement and achievements are of no matter in this world. The D.H.C. replies to a student and says, "a love of nature keeps no factories busy", which obliterates the universally known truth that love conquers all. (16) “Hypnopaedia” or “sleep-teaching,” (18) is the truth taught to them to value society over human beings, which are the underpinnings of a dystopian-like society. Every person's life goal and measure of achievement is how well they serve their soceity.Their life cycle is being created by a combination of sperm and eggs from random donors, they utilize the aspects of their society (buy clothes, eat, use facilites) to strengthen their economy and die trying to follow the societal rules only to be used again and the cycle starts over. "Farenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury exemplifies this dystopian society of unhappy inhabitants unwilling to stand up for their own human rights. The significance of these two works is that the world is always at risk of becoming a dystopian society, so we must be mindful and aware of our self- destructive tendencies.

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments Stability, is True Bliss Brave New World/Brave New World Revisited

This story begins foggily as a group of students are entering a foreboding building. From here, if not read attentively and carefully, this book can become very confusing. Because of the confusing plot, one could think they were dropped into the middle of a story, but in reality, the book has started at the beginning, making this a linearly structured novel. Huxley sets the story’s menacing tone by describing "the overalled workers hands," as "gloved with a pale corpse-coloured rubber" (Huxley 3). He structures his story by placing large amounts of backstory after each line of the Director's commentary. This strategy, all though confusing at time, allows Huxley to milk every last double meaning out of the Director’s words. As one reads on, they will begin to discover Huxley's dystopian world, surreptitiously mirrored by his confusing structure. In this world, the mating of two humans does not create babies, but instead, but instead by scientists "Bent over instruments," in a "fertilizing room" (4) manually fuse the egg and the sperm. Babies are produced by the thousands and are placed by a small group of tyrannical individuals into different social classes. The first two chapters even say that the lower class individuals receive less oxygen and get fed alcohol for the purpose of producing a less intellectual class that feels content with the class they have been placed in. One crux of this society presents itself as the fact that “generalities are intellectually necessary evils” (4) showing that this dystopian society favors the numbing of the people to how their world operates. This is not so dissimilar to the film The Island. In this film, clones dying humans are farmed for organs. Told the world they live in has been destroyed y nuclear fallout, the clones given a chance to go to “the island,” the last non radiated part of earth. In reality, the clones are about to be farmed for their organs. This already disjointed world up to now, has predicted a future so grim, it may even rival the infamous future Orwell’s 1984 once predicted.

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Julia Payne | 13 comments The Middle of a Beginning
After reading the first two chapters of Huxley's Brave New World, I think that this story has an "In Medias Res" structure, meaning that it begins in the middle of a story. Huxley opens describing “a squat grey building of only thirty-four stories,” (3) and then jumps to depicting the workers in the building, “their hands gloved with a pale corpse-coloured rubber” (3). I think that Huxley begins his story this way, to grasp readers’ attention and make them want to continue reading. Readers wonder where these “newly arrived students” came from and continue reading to find out. Huxley continues to sarcastically describe the Director, calling it a “rare privilege” for the students to hear him speak. The Director continues to tell the students about “the incubators” (4) without any real introduction for the readers to know what he’s talking about. He continues to give the students a tour of the building, discussing “Bokanovsky’s Process” (6), “Predestination” (9), and “the Epsilon body” (11). Readers can gradually put pieces together and figure out what is going on, but the overall significance and setting of the story remains unclear. This story reminds me of Christopher Nolan’s film Inception, as this film opens in the middle of a story as well. It opens with Cobb waking up on a beach, watching his children play, but the audience must keep watching to figure out what the significance of this is. These opening structures leave the readers or audience curious, grasping their attention immediately.

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments The Purpose Within

Similar to the twisted society and world's distorted past found in Suzanne Collins's "The Hunger Games", "Brave New World" encounters a culture so corrupt and disturbing that it challenges readers' views of culture. The story opens following "a troop of newly arrived students"(6) throughout their tour of the "Central London Hatchery And Conditioning Center"(6) and tracks the leader of the pupils, the "Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning"(6). The excursion through this mysterious center exposes distinctions between two kinds of students: the rebellious, who tend to ask questions that vary from society's norms, and the expected, who "desperately scribbled"(7) notes in their "notebook"(7) "whenever the great man spoke"(7).

The structure that Aldous Huxley created, in medias res, absorbs readers into the story. The quick drop into the Center, without an explanation of the background, poses questions in the depths of the readers' minds about this strange new world. The little insight given, paints the "D.H.C."(7) to be some sort of mastermind. A powerhouse that has outstanding abilities to "make ninety-six human beings grow where only one grew before"(8) in an attempt to keep "social stability"(9). As the voyage of the fresh faces begins, the shadows learn about "Bokanovsky's Process"(9), which fuels their mission of creating "identical twins...working identical machines"(9) that somehow provide normality for their twisted world. The tour continues with the "scribbl[ing]"(9) young men tracks through the "Center"(7) and the various rooms a part of it. Including the "Decanting Room"(12) and the "rack[s]"(15) that hold all the various souls, readers are left ot wonder why? Why would someone need to create all of these beings, who are "socially useless"(16)? Maybe huxley will allow us to know, maybe readers are left to wonder.

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Lizzie Drummond | 12 comments Stability or Rebellion?

After reader the first two chapters of “Brave New World” it is evident Huxley set up the story as in medias res, because of this, the reader must track the novel very closely, as it is easy to get confused. In the first paragraph opens with, newly arrived students walking into “A squat grey building” and intoduced to their motto “COMMUNITY, IDENTITY, STABILITY” (15), The capitolization of the these words are important, showing the reader that they are about to embark on a controlled civilized society. Huxley keeps providing the reader with the importance of “social stabilty” (18) while discussing the “human invention” (17) of “making ninty-six human beings grow where only one grew before (17). I can begin to gather that the controlling society will soon crumble with an outburst or rebellion. In chapter two, as The Director is describing the Deltas as “wear[ing] khaki” (35), and the “Alpha children wear grey” (35), and so on. This draws a connection to Lois Lowry’s, “The Giver”, which is covered in the wrongdoings of social conformity and control, which leads to uprising and rebellion by the main character Jonus. The significance of these two novels is the Dystopian Society, which has gone amuck. I will continue to analyze this novel, and uncover the questions Huxley has put forth.

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Maria Jernigan (mariajernigan) | 143 comments Mod
Sample Moderator Post

Cantos I and II

What the Hell - Read and be ready to discuss

Questions to Consider:

1. While the gates predict what is to come, they also suggest what Dante will question. How indeed will he wrestle with sights so gruesome that he faints or calls on us to inspire him - encourage him - push him onward?

2. Based on how he ran from the she-wolf in the dark woods, what do we expect out of our "I am no Aeneas, no Paul?" Why then is he worthy for this journey?

3. Why is Vergil a significant guide for the exiled poet to follow?

4. What parallels does Dante introduce in the opening scene? How will these repeat as the poem continues?

5. How does Dante evoke visual, auditory, olfactory, and kinesthetic imagery as he guides us through Hell?

6. How has Dante's epic lived on in the modern age? Why?

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments Exile
1. “And then he spends most of his time by himself-alone.’ There was horror in Fanny’s voice” (Huxley 20).

2. “men who took their position for granted; men who moved through the cast system as a fish through water-so utterly at home as to be unaware either of themselves or of the beneficent and comfortable element in which they had their being” (Huxley 30).

3. “Too little bone and brawn had isolated Bernard from his fellow men, and the sense of this apartness, being, by all current standards, a bmenal excess, became in its turn a cause of wider separatin.” (Huxley 31).

4. “I’m taking Lenina Crowne to New Mexico with me,’ he said in a tone as casual as he could make it” (Huxley 31).

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments Conformity & Rebellion

"The overalls of the workers were white, their hands gloved with a pale corpse-coloured rubber" (Huxley 6).
"But one of the students was fool enough to ask where the advantage lay"(9).
"Standard men and women; in uniform batches"(9).
""But why do you want to keep the embryo below par?" asked an ingenous student. "Ass!" said the director"(15).
"the secret of happiness and virtue-liking what you've got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making people like their unescapable social destiny"(17).
"They'll have that repeated forty or fifty times before they wake; then again on Thursday, and again on Saturday"(26). [about the brainwashing lessons played during their sleep] -->
"Till at last the child's mind is these suggestions, and the sum of the suggestions is the child's mind. And not the child's mind only. The adult's mind too-all his life long. The mind that judges and desires and decides-made up of these suggestion. But all these suggestions are our suggestions!"(27).
"But every one belongs to every one else"(36).

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Sam Lile | 15 comments Dystopia/ Utopia

“Ninety-six identical twins working ninety-six identical machines” (Huxley 8)

“Sixteen thousand and twelve; in one hundred and eighty-nine batches of identicals” (Huxley 9)

“The lower the caste,” said Mr. Foster, “the shorter the oxygen” (Huxley 12)

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Julia Payne | 13 comments Distortion
"Bokanovsky's Process is one of the major instruments of social stability!" (Huxley 9).
"Standard gammas, unvarying Deltas, uniform Epsilons. Millinos of identical twins. The principle of mass production at last applied to biology" (9).
"We can make one ovary yield us over fifteen thousand adult individuals" (10).
"They [the eggs] were predestined to emigrate to the tropics, to be miner and acetate silk spinners and steel workers" (19).

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments SCIENCE V. RELIGION

“The overalls of the workers were white, their hands gloved with a pale corpse-coloured rubber” (Huxley 3)

"Fertilizing Room" (3)

“Not philosophers but fret-sawyers and stamp collectors compose the backbone of society.” (4)

“male gametes," and here he opened another door, "they have to be kept at thirty-five instead of thirty-seven" (5)

“the operation undergone voluntarily for the good of Society” (5)

“Making ninety-six human beings grow where only one grew before. Progress.” (6)

“Bokanovsky's Process is one of the major instruments of social stability!" Major instruments of social stability.” (7)

“We also predestine and condition” (13)

“that is the secret of happiness and virtue-liking what you've got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making people like their unescapable social destiny." (16)

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Sam Lile | 15 comments Creators or Created?

Readers find themselves immersed within a startling futuristic realm in Aldous Huxley’s dystopian novel A Brave New World. Huxley open this frightening tale in medius res and follows what appears to be a field trip at a human farm known as the Central London Hatchery and Conditioning Centre. This process closely resembles that of the Wachowski brother’s groundbreaking film The Matrix, in which humans are bread inside computer-controlled eggs. Huxley’s fear of non-regulated genetic alteration in the modern world becomes the apparent as readers tour the Hatchery. Huxley conveys this fear as well as fear for the loss of individuality as the Director proclaims, quite enthusiastically, “Ninety-six identical twins operating ninety-six identical machines!” (Huxley 8). In addition to these fears, the concern that the true purpose of the human race will be lost and the only remaining purpose will be work. The dystopian societies creed is “Community, identity, stability,” which is quite ironic in and of itself (Huxley 8). In other words stability is formed through the unification of society, attained through the loss of individual identity. All dystopian stories are written with the intension to startle readers in regards to a direction in which society is headed. Another fear presented is the glorification and idolization of industry, which is made evident when the director makes this statement in casual conversation: “The case of Little Reuben occurred twenty-three years after Our Ford’s first model T was put on the market” (Huxley 18). Ford has symbolically replaced the coming of Christ as the reference point for time. Fear of worldly things trumping religion is also apparent. Numerous fears come to light in the first chapters of Huxley’s dystopia.

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Julia Payne | 13 comments Moderator

1. How does this picture of the newborn bird being sheltered from the world under his mother's wing relate to the newborn children described in the first few chapters?

2. What is your opinion on the Soma medicine? What are some things that people use as their Soma in today’s world?

3.Discuss the relationship between men & women in the World State. What do they want from each other? Who holds the power in their interactions?

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Maria Jernigan (mariajernigan) | 143 comments Mod
Assignment for Friday, November 14

1. Read over your Moderator's Post.
2. Access and read/view the link.
3. Answer the questions using specific evidence from text to support your observations.
4. Use at least 3 quotes to support.
5. Response should be 250 words.
6. Same blog gradesheet.

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments 1. The mother is hiding the little birds from the rest of the world. The mothers condition their children and preserve them from diseases so that they never get sick and they create them to have no feelings or emotion, so they cant be sad or mad. They are sheltered from the reality of life, which is much like the early stages of a newborn baby bird in their mother's nest. They are taking away the essential need for trials and sin and hard things in life, which is required for not just surviving but THRIVING in life.

2. Described as "euphoric, narctoic, [and] pleasantly hallucinant",(Huxley 24) the soma medicine is a hallucinogen that subdues the citizens. I think that the use of the soma tablets as medicine is a foreshadowing of further complications to come regarding science/technology overtaking human dignity and survival. A quick historical reference is found about this in chapter 3, when "Six years later it was being produced commercially. The perfect drug" (Huxley 25). Contrary to popular belief, the medicine does have after affects, just not like alcohol. The affects are much more concealed and subtle, but just as lethal. In today's world, people use alcohol and sex as their "somas". They let the feelings that they feel while consuming those things overcome them and eventually make them addicted without evening knowing it. What do you think julia?

3. The relationship between men and women in Brave New World is no longer an emotional exchange of opposite worlds. Passion and emotion are no longer in existence in this dystopian world. Violence is also quite prevalent within these relations, intertwining violence and "love", which isn't actually love. Sex is no longer a passdionate event or for creating babies, but is now for an escape from bordem. Promiscuity is highly encouraged and sleeping around is the norm and is expected. This could quite possibly be a satire about the modern world. Women are viewed as objects by the men, much like the modern world. Bernard "wishes that he could have as many girls as Helmholtz did, and with as little trouble. He was siezed with a sudden urgent need to boast" (Bernard 31).

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Sam Lile | 15 comments 1. The picture of the birds while fairly intriguing, is not an accurate representation of the children residing in the hatchery and development center. The children are not sheltered in any way, in fact the opposite is true. the children are subjected to overexposure and perversion of the world through the use of various types of equipment like the “eighty vibro-vacuum massage machines” (Huxley 25). The philosophy of the government seems to be that overexposure sexual stimulant will develope a dependence on it, which makes it easy to control the populous through regulating and encouraging actions such as these.

2. This corrupt dystopian society seems to only function through heavy governmental control and regulation of the population. Soma proves to be one of their most effective tools in their arsenal. This drug, which is no doubt regulated by the government, is described as, "euphoric, narcotic, pleasently hallucinant...soma [has]...all the advantages of Christianity and alcohal; none of the defects" (Huxley 37). Soma has replaced religion as the object people look to for hope, they believe they have no need to appeal to a higher power because this drug can solve all their problems...they just need to be on this drug constantly.

3. Men and women bare a very strange and unique relationship in this corrupted, dystopian society. Men and women seem to only exist as distractions for each other. Neither posses any real power because all true power lies in the hands of the governing figures. Mr. Foster states, "all men are physio-chemically equal" (Huxley 50). Conrextualy he is discussing that chemically people from any class can be melted down to produce the same amounts of phosphorus, which is used for energy. This is symbolic of how little peoples lives matter in this world, as well as the fact that everyone is equal on their level of the caste. No one has any power over one another under the controling hands of the government.

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments 1. The baby birds come across as fragile and sheltered, which resembles the eggs involved in the "progress"(8) brought about by "Bokanovsky's Process"(8). However, the birds are living under the mother's wing, following her moves, and repeating her thoughts. These motherly actions are applied to the children kept in the "Infant Nurseries, Neo-Pavlovian Conditioning Rooms"(19) but with intentions opposing the bird's. The nurses replace the mother figure, encouraging the babies "to crawl toward the clusters of sleek colors"(20). This action quickly counteracts itself when "there was a violent explosion"(20) and then later a "mild electric shock"(20). The nurses act as the motherly figures in the children's lives in order to contorl the thoughts the kids have. This reminds me of The Maze Runner series, where all the Gladers have been brainwashed by the Creators and no longer know any truths.

2. The Soma medicine, which can clear one's "glum"(55) behavior, commonly finds itself with the characters similar to a modern form of drugs or alcohol. I think it resembles anything that one can be addicted to. The individuals in the story use "half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a weekend, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeuos East, three for a dark eternity on the moon"(50), like how people in society use varying substances. This medicine "had raised quite an impenetrable wall between the actual universe and their minds'(69), which again makes me think it is some kind of addictive material. Maybe it is another way the DHC is trying to control the individuals? Maybe it has effects that they don't even know about yet?

3.The relationships in the story are very different from modern society. Since "the DHC objects to anything intense or long-drawn", men and women use each other strictly "to have"(53) the other. The women bounce from man to man and then men mirror their actions. The actions initiate from both parties, but mainly the men. However, since Bernard has "alcohol into his blood surrogate"(42), his ations are mainly started from Lenina.

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments Our moderator suggests in her first question, that the children and newborns are sheltered, as if under the wing of a mother bird. I can see how at first one might confuse "predestine and condition," (19) techniques for extensive motherly care ; however in reality, the society is preparing to expose these children to world, freely exposing them to do as their impulses please. The painstaking, scientific process of developing the perfect embryo winds up as a sinister process rather than a motherly one. Like a cow being fed for its ineviatble slaughter, the embryo's conditioning prepares them for their future demise.

Huxley describes soma as being "the perfect drug," (69) and claims it has "all the advantages of Christianty and alcohol, [but] noe of their defects" (70) Soma, in this society, acts a numbing agent, an attempt to eradicate the need for for a God, the need for a stronghold to hold on to when all seems to be crashing around one. The common sang, "One cubic centimetre cures ten gloomy seniments" (70) lives as a fastness in the hearts of the people. Whenever any morsel of real emotion, sadness, or longing appear, the citiens simply obey their impulse, as they have been conditoned, and take soma to decimate all feeling.

All interaction between men and women in the world state is unfiltered. Sex, instead of being a taboo topic, lives as a norm in the daily lives of both men and women in the world state. In fact when a, "little boy seems rather reluctant to join normal erotic play" (43) is scolded and told is being bad. In reality, the goverment is in control of all the realtionship. The world state is similiar to the government in 1984, however instead of highly regulating their behavior, the world state relases the to feed their every impulse.

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Sam Lile | 15 comments "Ninety-six identical twins working ninery-six identical machines!" (Huxley 8)

"What you need is soma, all the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects." (Huxley 37)

"But cleanliness in next to fordliness" (Huxley 71)/"Thank Ford" (Huxley 61)

"Everyone belongs to everyone else" (Huxley 78)

Huxley expounds more and more on his fears as the novel progress. His dystopian society categorizes many of these fears such as loss of individuality, lost reliance on religion, corruption of youth, loss of family system, worship of industry, the list goes on and on. A shift begins to occure around chapters seven and eight, when Huxley changes from presenting his fears to his analysis as to what they may develop into if they are left unchecked.His dytopian world is centered around the concept that "ignorance is bliss." The World State rather successfuly attempts to acheive this bliss through the principle of distraction. They incorporate a combination of youthful conditioning, via hypnosis, and the addition of narcotics, soma. This creates a dependence on the government because the population has nothing else to cling to, given that religion and independence have been robbed from the people. The affects are seen clearly in the life of Linda. She has lived for many years in the reservation cut off from the outside world but the effects of her hypnosis training remain present. These affects are most clearly represented when she shows extreem adoration for the clothes and make-up on Lenina. The tragedy that is Huxley's dystopia continues to develop as the novel progresses.

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments Conformity & Rebellion

"What you need is a granne of soma...Bernard had suddenly turned and rushed away"(Huxley 55).
"I am I, and I wish I wasn't; his self consciousness was acute and distressing"(58).
"she had woken up in the middle of the night and become aware, for the first time, of the whispering that had haunted all her sleeps"(66).
"I'd rather be myself, myself and nasty. Not somebody else, however jolly"(79).
"It makes me feel as though I were more me, if you see what I mean. More on my own, not so completely a part of something else. Not just a cell in the social body"(80).
"But wouldn't you like to be free to be happy in some other way, Lenina? In your own way, for example; not in everybody else's way"(80).
"What a wonderfully intimate relationship"(98).
"Im rather different fro most people...Of one's different, one's bound to be alone"(120).

Throughout this section of the reading, the thread of Conformity vs Rebellion is extremely apparent. Beginning with Bernard, and his quotes about his own personal being, he understands that he differs from the rest of people in his society. He enjoys different things than the common man and is not afraid to show it. He refuses the soma multiple times throughout the reading, and attempts to force Lenina into liking the same things as him, however unsuccessful his mission may seem. I expect that in the near future, Bernard will hit a breaking point and lash out towards all of his society and try to become his own person. I also think that Lenina will not go with him unless he is able to change her mindset completely, beause right now she finds him insane. My hope is that Bernard will somehow be able to convince the people of his world that their way of life is wrong; but in order for that to happen, Bernard must become more confident in himself and in the way he thinks. By doing this, he will be exuding Rebellious tactics against his society's Conformity. Through these actions, I think Huxley will use Bernard to show the major contrast between the different parts of this society. The Rebellion inside this man will show insight into what could be coming in a future 'New World'.

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Julia Payne | 13 comments Distortion
"History is bunk. History.... is bunk" (23)
"I once had to wait nearly four weeks before a girl I wanted let me have her" (30).
"She did wish that George Edzel's ears weren't quite so big (perhaps he'd been given just a spot too much parathyroid at Metre 328)" (36).
"'Yes, everybody's happy now,' echoed Lenina. They had heard the words repeated a hundred & fifty times every night for twelve years" (47).
"Soma was served with the coffee" (47).

Huxley utilizes the thread of distortion often throughout the story. Whether in the characters' rejection of the past, the disrespectful way women are treated, the way each human is born without any imperfections, or how the people are conditioned and drugged in order to be happy, the entire society of the World State is extremely contorted. I think Huxley uses this thread as satire to comment on the real world. He exaggerates the discourteous relationship between men & women seen in today's world, by creating a society in which their relationship bases itself purely on sex, with no strings or emotions attached. He also mocks the way that humans view imperfections through the mechanical system of mass producing babies (different sets of identical twins) in a factory in the World State. The many sets of identical twins eliminate originality and the scientific method used to produce the babies ensures that they will be born without any imperfections. Huxley mocks the real world society by taking aspects of it and exaggerating them to the extreme.

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments Science and Religion

"All conditioning aims at: making people like their inescapable social destiny" (huxley 25)

"all the advantages of christianity; none of their defects. (70)

"Old men in the bad old days used to renounce, retire, take to religion, spend their time reading, thinking- thinking!" (71)

As this novel has progressed, the theme of science and religion slowly but surely, wriggled its way into a prominent spot of this story. Religion in the world state, instead of being a sacred, divine enterprise, procures only the scoffing and contempt of society. It is considered a silly, antiquated way of living that only savages believe. In general, religion is neither respected or taken seriously. On the other hand, the gaping fissure once filled by religion, now prevails, occupied by a seemingly stabler establishment: science. In the opinion of the world state, science offers everything religion was never able to. Instead of religion’s lofty uncertainty and thoughtful introspection, science offers a series of concrete and tangible facts deleting all the ambiguity of religion. It offers stability where in religion creates a longing for something more. In reality, the decimation of religion from the world state allows the world controllers to better execute their goal of, “making people like their inescapable social destiny”(71). So ingrained now into their culture, science has evolved into the world state’s religion. Though old religion now may be met with a state of disregard, its presence can never truly die, and even a seemingly powerless spark can erupt into an enormous flame. This fact keeps the government on edge, making sure its people fill any gap in their souls soma, and continually distracting them with trivial pursuits.

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments Exile
"She liked even less what awaited her at the entrance to the pueblo, where their guide had left them while he went inside for instructions... But how can they live like this?" (Huxley 105)

"Then suddenly the leader of the dancers broke out of the line, ran to a big wooden chest which was standing at one end of the square, raised the lid, and pulled out a pair of black snakes." (Huxley 108)

"He must have flown away, back to the other place, away without her-a bad, unkind, unnatural man" (Huxley 112)

"If it hadn't been for you, i might have gone to the inspector. I might have got away. But not with a baby. That would have been too shameful" (Huxley 119)

The thread of "exile" is prevalent throught many chapters of Brave New World, especially in Chapter 9. When John breaks into Lenina's cabin, he has the feelings and stresses involved in that of an exile situation. He longs to touch her, but fears that he could do her harm. The act of leaving a place or a situation and removing yourself of it is non-existent. All Linda seems to ever talk about is how she ALMOST got away and was ALMOST happy, but never what her present situation is. Exile, as is in most situations, never by choice. The inhabitants of the New World long to be set free, but never actually get there. Exile is heard of, but never seen in this society; solely because being exiled is in a sense being given freedom..and freedom is unheard of. Freedom has yet to exist.

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments Moderator Post and Questions for Friday, November 21st:

How does this photo relate to the common theme of freedom vs. confinement in Brave New World?

1- In what ways do Linda and Lenina differ? What purpose do their characters serve in the book and how does Huxley feel about their roles as women? Which character signifies rebellion in a more evident way?

2- The book is beginnings to visibly have remnants of a satire novel. (One that uses irony or exaggeration to prove a point about politics or society) Where have we seen this and what is the author trying to say about society?

3- The Director says in chapter 10, "The greater a man's talents, the greater his power to lead astray. It is better that one should suffer than that many should be corrupted. Consider the matter dispassionately, Mr. Foster, and you will see that no offense is so heinous as unorthodoxy of behavior. Murder kills only the individual-and, after all, what is an individual?" (Huxley 137) Unpack this quote and discuss it's application to the world in this novel and the modern world.

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Sam Lile | 15 comments Moderator post Friday Nov. 21st

1. What is the significance of Bernard going against societal norms and resisting the distractions provided by the World State?

2. What parallels do you see in the fears presented by Huxley in this novel and the current society we live in? Have any of his predictions come true?

3. In what ways does this photo relatate to the situation John finds himself in during this reading?

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Julia Payne | 13 comments (in response to Madelyn's moderator post)

This photo symbolizes the way Bernard's individuality isolates him, separating him from everyone. He has no friends, other than Hemholtz, who does not truly understand him either. His "heretical views on sport and soma," the "unorthodoxy of his sex-life," and his "refusal to obey he teachings of.... Ford" make him a rebel. He is insusceptible to the conditioning and drugs of The World State, while everyone else around is blinded by their drug-induced happiness. In this way, he finds himself trapped, lonely, with no one to talk to or confide in. His mind imprisons him, like the man in this picture. He reminds me of Margo from Paper Towns . Margo, like Bernard, was not entertained with the things that all her friends were. She went to parties, but she did not truly enjoy them, and while her friends were having the time of their lives in high school, Margo simply wanted to escape the "paper town." She sensed that all of her friends were fake, as Bernard knows that the people in the World State are only happy because of their conditioning & Soma. Margo feels completely alone, as does Bernard.

I agree with Madelyn that the story contains lots of satire. I see this mainly in the relationship between men & women. Bernard reflects that the women in the World State are treated "like meat" (57). The two genders only interact to please their sexual desires and feelings or affections are prohibited. Huxley simply exaggerates men & women's relationship in the real world, harping on the disrespectful way that women are treated. One man complains that he had to "wait nearly four weeks" until the "girl [he] wanted" would let him "have" her (30). Men simply pick the girls they want and then expect to "have" them, as if they become their own possession. Huxley makes very intriguing and eye-opening comments on society and the way men treat women.

This quote from the Director displays the deep distortion in the novel. Society looks down on Bernard for having his own opinions. Bernard's individuality set him apart, because the conditioning he recieved as a child did not affect him. The leaders of the World State have taken away the children's ability to form opinions and decide what they want to do. They train them from when they are babies to like or dislike certain things in order to serve society. When Bernard attempts to protest this, the Director shoots him down, threatening to send him to Iceland. This quote exemplifies the distortion of the World State society.

(in response to Sam's moderator post)

Fear of sickness, imperfections, or uncleanliness presents itself constantly in this novel. Huxley utilizes this fear to comment on how society views these flaws. The dirty and seemingly premitive society in the Reservation shocks Lenina. She cannot believe "the dirt," "the dogs," or "the flies" (67). In the World State, they have eliminated all sickness, filth, and aging. When Lenina sees an old man in the savage, her is filled with "horror and amazement" (67) at his wrinkled and fatigued body.I think that in our society, we also look down upon imperfections. Huxley comments on this in order to show how distorted a society without any flaws would be. It produces a society that knows little about health or science.

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments (in response to Madelyn's moderator post)

The picture shows how when Bernard is not physically trapped but mentally isolated. He finds himself "rather different from most people"(120) and therefore "bound to be lonely"(120). He "has proven himself an enemy of Society, a subverter.. of all Order and Stability, a conspirator against Civilization itself"(130), so even though he can break out of the facility, he will never be able to break out of his confined mind until he accepts his differences.

3. At this moment in the story, the core beliefs of the DHC are expressed. The facility's thoughts that "it is better that one should suffer than that many should be corrupted"(129) connects to the earlier idea that the people being created are "a scientific triumph. But socially useless"(16). Each individual's best interest is not at heart, but only the good of the scientific imporvements. An individual's "power to lead astray"(129) threatens the mission of the DHC; so to prevent that from happening, the "repeated...lessons"(26) are played for the children to hear. This recording brainwashes the infants into underestimating themselves and the capabilities he/she has. They are taught to believe "that no offence is so heinous as unorthodoxy or behavior"(129), therefore causing them to never even attmept to be unique. The limited education provided to Society stongly resembles the Divergent Series and the system of factions. Each child must select a group to join, and in any dangerous situations, put that faction's well being over their own. This life sparks a rebellion inside of protagonist Tris Prior, who has smilar thoughts to Bernard's. This parallelism makes me wonder what the future will hold for Bernard. Will he "corrupt"(129) the society due to his "great power"(129)?

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Sam Lile | 15 comments Exquisite points from both Julia and Katherine. Nice incorporation of quotes

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Sam Lile | 15 comments Keep it up Hue Don

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments (in response to Sam's moderator post)
2. One of Bernard's biggest fears roots from his individualism. His character is "rather different from most people"(120), and Huxley portrays this to be a terrible thing. The idea of someone's uniqueness making he/she "an enemy of Society"(130) continues to present itself in our modern culutre. If a girl is too fat or a boy isn't athletic enough, they are automatically broadcasted as strange. This "unorthodox behavior"(129) also publicizes itself in movies such as How the Grinch Stole Christmas. In that film, The Grinch is "terribly lonely"(120) and considered an outcast due to his thoughts and actions, which parallels very similarly to Bernard.

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments So far throughout this novel, the audience has observed Bernard as he has struggled, attempting to fit in, but never quite being able to feel normal. Bernard’s inner and social incoherence separates him from his peers as well as his society as a whole. Bernard resides alone in his outlooks, almost completely isolated him from the world around him. This puts Bernard in a precarious position. In the words of Henry foster, “unorthodoxy threatens more than the life of a mere individual; it strikes at society itself”(Huxley 95). Bernard’s resistance to the customs of the world state brands him as a threat to society. However, Bernard’s recent discovery and flaunting of John the savage has elevated his position in society. In my opinion two results can derive from Bernard’s non-conformities. The first product might sanction Bernard’s rebellion against society releasing a complete surge of emotion from him. The second, more ominous effect would result in Bernard taking the opportunity John the savage has provided him, and finally blending into society once and for all.
Huxley’s novel encapsulates an alarming amount of similarities to society as we see it today. The “operation’s undergone voluntarily for the good of society,” (7) such as bovansky groups and the conditioning of children provide genuine, feasible feats that could be performed in the near future. All ready, genetic manipulation and gene therapy exist, and most likely will blaze the way for many more ill-omened scientific advances. Furthermore, the unyielding use and abuse of soma is a honest interpretation of how drug use has evolved and exists today. Young people’s use of narcotics today portrays flippancy and disregard that closely paralells too the “soma-holidays,” (99) taken by citizens of the World state. No longer are drugs a taboo distasteful activity but are regarded as ordinary.
The photo Sam posted parallels to John’s and yearning to learn and discover this “brave new world.” It also personifies the urge in his soul for creativity derived from his reading of Shakespeare. This relates to the movie ice princess where a young mother wants her to go to Harvard but the girl wants to be an ice skater.

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments Exile
The director says, "The greater a man's talents, the greater his power to lead astray. It is better that one should suffer than that many should be corrupted. Consider the matter dispassionately, Mr. Foster, and you will see that no offence is so heinous as unorthodoxy of behavior. Murder kills only the individual-and, after all, what is an individual?... We can make a new one with the greatest ease-as many as we like. Unorthodoxy threatens more than the life of a mere individual; it strikes at Society itself." (Huxley 148). This recollection speaks to the notion that man has the power to lead astray, therefore exile, and the power to welcome back. Later in the chapter, he says, "He has proved himself an enemy of society..For this reason I propose to dismiss him, to dismiss him with ignominy from the post he has held in this Centre" (138) Other than his obvious dismissal of Bernard, he is suggesting this permanent exile because of Bernard's actions. He goes on, "In Iceland he will have small oppurtunity to lead others astray by his unfordly example" (139). This ultimate insult of banishment to Iceland just shows the pitovtal yet damaging relationship between Bernard and the Director.

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments Conformity and Rebellion

"The greater a man's talents, the greater his power to lead astray. It is better that one should suffer than that amny should be corrupted. Consider the matter dispassionately, Mr. Foster, and you will see that no offense is so heinous as unorthodoxy of behavior"(Huxley 129).
"What is an individual?"(129).
"Unorthodoxy threatens more than the life of a mere individual; it strikes at Society itself. Yes, at Society itself"(129).
"he has proven himself an enemy of Society, a subverter, ladies and gentlemen, of all Order and Stability, a conspirator against Civilization itself"(130).
At this point in the story, Bernard finds himself being considered a threat because of his uniqueness. His mind works differently than those surrounding him and he creates his own thoughts instead of the ideas planted inside other's heads. Most importantly, however, he thinks of himself as an individual. These rebellious actions paint him as a hazard, for everyone else conforms to the Society's norms. The presentation of the conflict between Conformity vs Rebellion shows the differences Bernard harbors but also demonstrates how strictly the DHC enforces the laws that put their ultimate mission at risk. By depicting Bernard as a man out to hurt the whole Scoiety instead of someone who wants to save themselves, the DHC now owns a valid reason to transfer him to Greenland. Though he hasn't moved yet, readers can infer that this transfer will not make Bernard change his personality or his lifestyle. His strength in his opinions and his inward confidence could possibly provide him the power to bring change in his new enviornment.

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Julia Payne | 13 comments Distortion
"Taking holiday after holiday, without ever having to come back to a headache or a fit of vomiting.... Greedily she clamoured for ever larger, ever more frequent doses" (95).
In the World State, people can take Soma to numb their pain, without ever expriencing the consequences of other drugs, such as alcohol. Therefore, someone can easily become addicted without caring, because they do not have any of the setbacks that come with other addictions. In the World State, this is completely normal & addiction is not looked down upon. People are expected to take Soma to numb their feelings or pain.

"If our yound people need distraction, they can get it at the feelies. We don't encourage them to indulge in any solitary amusements" (102).
Dr. Gaffney says this as he tours Bernard and the Savage through a library. The savage asks if they have Shakespeare and is laughed at. The Doctor explains that they do not want teenagers to be reading for entertainment. If they need entertainment, they can get it at "the feelies," which is a sexual, interactive show. They would much rather kids engage in erotic play than read books for their pleasure, as spending time alone is discouraged.

"All the best toys are kept there [the hospital], and they get chocolate cream on death days. They learn to take dying as a matter of course" (102).
They take young children to hospitals and give them toys and candy, in order to associate the hospital with good memories. On "death days," they are given chocolate, in hopes that they learn to accept death. The teachers condition kids to welcome death to shield them from the pain of loss. The World State's peace hinges on the numbness of society, the idea that feelings should be avoided at all costs.

"There was no envy in the comment; good-natured Fanny was merely stating a fact. Lenina was lucky" (103).
In the World State, people do not get jealous of each other, because everything belongs to everyone. People "have" whoever they want, whenever they want, & since people do not get attached to each other, they do not get jealous. When they are children, they are conditioned in their sleep to know that "everyone belongs to everyone else" (26). Feelings of envy are discouraged, while jealousy is a common feeling in the real world.

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Sam Lile | 15 comments Dystopia and Utopia

“These people have never heard of Our Ford...they aren’t civilized.” (Huxley 71)
“Alone, always alone, the young man was saying, the words awoke a plantain echo in Bernard’s mind.” (Huxley 88)
“ ‘Miss Crowne’s gone on soma-holiday,’ he explained. ‘Can hardly be back before five.’ “(Huxley 91)
“The greater a man’s talents, the the greater his power to lead astray. It is better that one should suffer than that many should be corrupted.” (Huxley 96)

At this point in Huxley’s brilliant novel Brave New World no new fears are presented, but rather the pre-established fears are expounded upon. These fears include concepts such as loss of religion, forced conformity, violent opposition to traditional ways, unregulated genetic alteration, glorification of industry, etcetera. In recent chapter Huxley is revealing his beliefs as to what may happen if current flaws are left unchecked. Huxley is attempting to convey that our society is in a horrible downward spiral. The theme huxley is displaying is that our society is corrupt and bound for failure. The world will turn into a horrible, empty dystopia as a result of people attempting to form a utopia. It is not too difficult to infer that the creators of soma and hypnopedia were intending to enslave people. IN this society it is reasonable to infer that they truly believed they were helping people. They thought that their creation would move society towards utopia when in fact it had the opposite effect. The corruption is exposed when people like bernard refuse to conform. Given that the society can only function if everyone agrees to be ignorant, curious minds like Bernard can tear down the whole system. Free-thinkers therefore are always in peril.

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments Science v. Religion

“no offence is so heinous as unorthodoxy of behavior” (Huxley 195).

“The greater a man’s talents, the greater power to lead astray” (Huxley 195).

“Lenina felt herself entitled, after this day of queerness and horror, to a complete absolute holiday” (Huxley 185)

“but cleanliness is next to fordliness,” she insisted (Huxley 142)

Warped versions of science and religion have taken hold of this novel, asserting themselves in major roles, personifying society as well as deepening huxley’s dark, ominous themes. Huxley develops ideas in his world, unparalleled to any other dystopia t that has ever been imagined before.

Huxley, throughout this novel, continually makes references to the society’s father figure, “Ford”. Ford has replaced all forms of deity or Gods and is looked at as a divine power. A common hypnopedia, “cleanliness is next to fordliness,” (Huxley 142) shows in a way the demeanor in which all people treat Ford and the common sincerity his name is referred to with. This example shows the attempts to eradicate the idea of religion. The World state has ingeniously replaced the idea of God with a mortal human, who once walked the earth, the same as any other member of the World State. In this way, the citizens can respect and honor something greater than themselves while at the same time keeping their selfish, personal tendencies.
Furthermore Henry Fosters statement that “the greater a man’s talents, the greater his power to lead astray,” (195) not only helps show the nullification of leadership, freethinking, and self introspection (the bases of religion) but further solidifies many themes Huxley has already presented. Free thought is essentially the enemy of the World State. In order for their “utopia” to work, all citizens must be numbed to feeling. Henry Foster continually states that “no offence is so heinous as unorthodoxy of behavior” (Huxley 195), showing the amount that conformity is necessary for the World State to operate. For this very reason, people like Helmholtz are dangerous to society. Though smart, they threaten the very pillars the society was built and still rests on. In order for the World State to work, everyone must perform his or her jobs with vigor, void of any and all resentment and distrust.
Finally when, “Lenina felt herself entitled, after this day of queerness and horror, to a complete absolute holiday” (Huxley 185), she is simply reinforcing the fact that numbness and empty fleeting pleasures subsist as a cardinal method of erasing the need for a God. The all day, everyday, exposure and release to drugs, vacations, and exciting, thrilling events is shoved down the throats of the people, making sure that they have no break to stop and look at the world around them. This strategy asphyxiates any need of God or a greater power from the people distracting them with petty meaningless pursuits.
This and many other techniques such as conditioning make breaking free from societal norms, so hard for Bernard and joining this society, so hard for John. I am sure Science and Religion will continue to play out their roles as this novel continues.

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments Moderator

Why is it significant that Hemholtz and Bernard reconcile their friendship? In what ways does he influence Bernard and the Savage? How is Huxley using Bernard?

How does this picture of someone hiding connect with Linda once John is in London? What does that say about her?

Discuss the Savage's defiance to coming out to see the crowd that night. What was happening to Bernard to make him overly upset about this rejection? Why would he say no? Also, mention how Bernard was treated by society previous to, during, and after the Savage's popularity.

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Madelyn Bomar | 12 comments Exile

"But the Savage had suddenly broken away from his companions and was violently retching, behind a clump of laurels, as though the solid earth had been a helicopter in an air pocket" (Huxley 148). This is an example of willing exile, not forced exile. The Savage breaks away from that which is familiar to him after the "Human Element Manager" verbally attempts to assure him.

"Her foreshortened figure rushed away from him; the diminishing square of the roof seemed to be falling through the darkness" (Huxley 157). This is when the Savage watches Lenina as she opened her mouth and called out. She is choosing to remove herself because of the pain and confusion caused by the earlier interaction with John after he appeared while she was powdering her face. John removed himself from a communal relationship with Lenina because of what he thought to be her skewed version of what love should look and act like.

"Lenina alone said nothing. Pale, her blue eyes clouded with an unwonted melancholy, she sat in a corner, cut off from those who surrounded her by an emotion which they did not share. She had come to the party filled with strange feeling of anxious exultation" (Huxley 159). This quote proves exemplary not of the physical flight or flee necessarily, but more of Lenina's choice to not involve herself in the interactions which rumble around her. She feels a disconnect in regards to emotion with these people, and sees conversational flight as her only way to exit.

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments "we can make a new one at the greatest ease-as many as we like" (195).

This quote is referring to the worthlessness of a life in the new world. If there is a problem with a human or there is an incident, they can simply be replaced.

"well, if that's the case, "said faint, with decision, "why don't you just go and take hum. whether he wants it or no" (195).

In this society, instead of thinking and praying about something like one would with religion, they have turned to acting on impulse alone.

"[The savage] appears to be much attached to her an interesting example of the way in which early conditioning can be made to modify ad even run counter to natural impulses" (212).

This is a great showing of the relationship between science and religion. It explains how the World State uses sciences to influence the religious views of people as the mature. Conditioning teaches kids at a young age to ignore any longing for something greater (region) and to invest in pleasing ones impulses.

"Death conditioning begins at eighteen months" (216).
"they learn to take dieting as a matter of course, like any other physiological process" (217).

Another attempt to eradicate the need for religion, the numbing to the fear of death is a conditioning technique used by the world state to make any fear or peace about death nonexistent. By early on in life putting the kids in the hospital and giving them ice cream and chocolate, teaching them to ignore what is happening around them and feed there impulses for pleasure, prepares people for death by teaching them to numb themselves with soma.

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Sam Lile | 15 comments " 'Put your arms around me!'--in shoes and socks, perfumed. Impudent strumpet! B oh, oh, her arms around his neck, the lifting of her breasts, her mouth! Eternity was in our lips and eyes." (Huxley 160) John's values are different than the others. He believes in marriage and eternity when they believe in soma.

" 'O brave new world...' By some malice of his memory the Savage found himself repeating Miranda's world. "O brave new world that has such people in it" (Huxley 103)

"I feel as though i were getting something on false presences. Because, of course, the first thing they all want to know is what it's like to make love to a Savage. And I have to say I don't know." (Huxley 106) The morals of Lenina displayed in contrast to those of John. She values her image and enjoyment more than John.

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Julia Payne | 13 comments Distortion

"'Oh, look, look!' They spoke in low, scared voices. 'Whatever is the matter with her? Why is she so fat?' They had never seen a face like her's before- had never seen a face that was not youthful and taut-skinned, a body that had ceased to be slim and upright." (126)
Again, we see the World State's disapproval of imperfections. The children have never seen a woman look so old or overweight. I think Huxley exaggerates America's disapproval of flaws in order to create this society who literally gawks at anyone who does not look flawlessly young and immaculate.

"Undoing all their wholesome death-conditioning with this disgusting outcry- as though death were something terrible, as though any one matter as much as all that!" (129)
The World State conditions children from when they are very young to accept death, by giving them chocolate cream when someone dies in the hospital. The nurse yells at John, the Savage, because of his reaction to his mother's death. John cries and screams at the children to get away from her bed. Society disapproves of this strong emotion, although this expression is healthy in man's mental health.

"The sound-track roll was unwinding itself in Synthetic Anti-Riot Speech Number Two (Medium Strength). Straight from the depths of a nonexistent heart, 'My friends, my friends!'" (135)
When a riot begins outside the hospital, the police begin playing a calming recording of a voice accompanied by soma vapor. The narrator comments that the voice addresses the crowd as her friends, speaking to them in a calm, loving voice, although they discourage this nurturing in the World State. He comments that she speaks from a "nonexistent heart." This reflects how people in the World State lack real feelings or emotions, as they are conditioned to.

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Katherine Johnson | 14 comments "to say one was a mother-that was past a joke; it was an obscenity"(Huxley 134).
"Bernard now found himself, for the first time in his life, treated not merely normally, but as a person of outstanding importance. There was no more talk of the alcohol in his blood-surrogate, no gibes at his personal appearance"(136).
"success went fizzily to Bernard's head, and in the process completely reconciled him (as any good intoxicant should do) to a world which, up till then, he had found very unsatisfactory. In so far as it recognized him as important, the order of things was good"(137).
"Partly on his interest begin focussed on what he calls 'the soul,' which he persists in regarding as an entity independent of the physical environment...though I must admit that I agree with the Savage in finding civilized infantility too easy"(138-139).
"Do they read Shakespeare?"..."Certainly not...our library contains only books of reference. If our young people need distraction, they can get it at the feelies. We don't encourage them to indulge in any solitary amusements"(142).
"The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published"(154).
"What fun it would be, if one didn't have to think about happiness!"(154).
"It was the sort of idea that might easily decondition the more unsettled minds among the higher castes-make them lose thru faith in happiness as the Sovereign good and take to believing, instead, that the goal was somewhere beyond"(154).
"Well, I'd rather be unhappy than have the sort of false, lying happiness you were having here"(155).
"[the poems] were about being alone"(157).

The thread of Conformity vs Rebellion uncovers a new layer of itself through chapters 11 and 12, for Bernard's character shifts his mindset only to revert back. When he basks in the limelight due to the Savage, Bernard questions why he ever hated this Society to begin with. Suddenly, since the outcast had become the most popular individual, he even takes a liking to his twisted normality. However, as soon as he disappoints some high ranking societal members (the Arch-Community-Songster of Canterbury), his fame came crumbling down. Bernard immediately reverts to his old ideas about the DHC. He rekindles his friendship with Hemholtz, and together they feel more rebellious than ever. Huxley shows a pattern by having Bernard hit his all time low after the peak of his social rank. This form leads me to believe that the Savage will follow him and that soon them two, along with Hemholtz will begin to act more rebellious than ever against their strangely conformed society.

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Sam Lile | 15 comments 1. The relationship between Bernard and Helmholtz is rather significant and symbolic in this novel. The two are needed in order to complete each other (in a non-romantic sense of course). Bernard represents the search for knowledge and a thirst to be than different than what he currently is. Helmholtz posses vast knowledge but ironically he is very ignorant and is content with the directed flow of society. There is a vast gap in maturity. Helmholtz is far more mature and rational than his counterpart Bernard. He is the rock to which Bernard and John find foundation. His rationality holds the group together and is knowledge draws John to relate to him as well as mesmerizes Bernard.

2. In this reading Linda uses the false safety of soma to hide from her own self as well as the thought that John is leaving for the civilized world. Much like the child hiding behind the tree, she is lured into a false sense of safety. Much like….. to be continued

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Allan Heuerman | 13 comments The Truth About a "Brave New World"

1.The reconciliation of Bernard and Helmholtz relationship shows the character of Helmholtz, but at the same time shows the deceitfulness of Bernard. Instead of being grateful and appreciative that Helmholtz forgave his past actions, Bernard feels “duly resentful” wanting to “take some revenge on Helmholtz for his generosity”(Huxley 238). This malicious thought is a excellent example of Bernard’s attitude throughout this entire novel. Though at time’s Bernard wants to be free of society, his jealousy and haughtiness keep him from breaching this moral barrier. If the opportunity is presented for Bernard to be accepted in society, he will always take it instead of sticking with what he thinks is right. This is similar to the novel The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, by CS Lewis, when the character Edmund is given the chance to do the right thing, but continually follows his impulses and ends up being imprisoned by the White Witch.

2. The picture of the boy hiding behind the tree relates to Linda attempting to hide from her problems. Linda’s coping mechanism, soma, allows her to escape her dreary depressing life, and live in ecstasy for a view luxurious hours. Just like the boy is not totally hidden, Linda’s problems have not truly escaped her. They will persist until her demise and only be shallowly forgotten by the use of soma. John points out this problem accurately when he says, “I’d rather be unhappy than have that sort of false lying happiness you were having”(236). Like hiding behind the tree gives false safety, the use of soma to forget the world around you cannot truly provide safety and comfort.

3. John refusing to attend Bernard’s dinner party shows his developing view of this society. Overwhelmed, John lives everyday being showed around like some type of rare animal. The society that surrounds him is strange and he and is clearly disturbed by their way of living. At this point John is so stunned, that simply being in public is painful for him. This consequently causes insecurity for Bernard. John is Bernard’s ticket to be normal and he has just fled. Bernard’s “self confidence was leaking from a thousand wounds (231), leaving him helpless and stranded in a world he cannot survive in without the aid of his new found pet. Bernard now realizes what he has been denying for weeks now. He will never be accepted, and now without the utility of John, his plight is futile.

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Julia Payne | 13 comments 1. Helmholtz & Bernard's friendship seems very unhealthy. Their alliance, based merely on disdain for the emotionless society around them, possesses very little purpose or loyalty. Huxley explains, "He [Helmholtz] was grateful to him [Bernard] for being the only man.... with whom he could talk about the subjects he felt to be important. Nevertheless, there were things in Bernard which he hated" (60). The two confide in each other about their despise for the World State and its discouragement of passion. However, when Bernard returns with John, the savage, he periodically turns into a true, stereotypical World State citizen. He "has" multiple girls a week, enjoys the fancy parties, and adores the attention he receives. In this way, Bernard disappoints Helmholtz. On the other hand, Helmholtz & John connect very well and make Bernard jealous. In my opinion, Helmholtz & Bernard's friendship stems from their disapproval of the World State, but other than this, the two have little in common.

2. Once returned to the World Stata, Linda spends her time numbing herself with Soma, taking as many mental "holidays" as she can. Huxley writes, "The return to civilization was for her the return to soma.... lying in bed and taking holiday after holiday" (95). Similar to the child in this picture, she hides in her room in bed, shutting out the world and everyone in it. As a child, the World State trained Linda to need soma to numb her feelings. Therefore, when she went to the Reservation, she missed soma and the ability to mentally shut down for hours. Linda exemplifies a World State citizen: dependent on soma and lacking passion. Though this would be known as an addict in today's society, Linda is simply acting as she's been trained.

3. Bernard uses John for popularity and attention. Everyone in the World State wants to see the Savage & find out more about him, and Bernard acts as somewhat of an agent for him. Huxley writes that the newfound popularity "went fizzidly to Bernard's head" (97). Bernard finds himself acquainted with some of the most prestigious men of the World State, who all want to meet & talk to the Savage. However, one night John refuses to leave his room to come out for a party. John, not accustomed to the exhausting society of the World State, tires quickly of Bernard showing him off like a rare animal. When Bernard tells the waiting crowd that the Savage will not leave his room, the people leave disapprovingly, and he slowly loses his fame. He realizes that people only liked him because of John, and that it would not last long. Before John came, Bernard had only one friend & was thought to be very odd. After John's fame wears off, Bernard has nothing. This relationship reminds me of Dave's relationship with the chipmunks in the movie Alvin & the Chipmunks . Dave finds the chipmunks and makes them famous, as Bernard found John. When the chipmunks leave Dave, he finds he has nothing else to make his life extraordinary, as does Bernard when John refuses to come out for the party.

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