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message 1: by Phil (new)

Phil | 1134 comments I found this video essay comparing Foundation, Dune, and Hyperion to be interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGfHA...


message 2: by Trike (new)

Trike | 8142 comments Phil wrote: "I found this video essay comparing Foundation, Dune, and Hyperion to be interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGfHA..."


I watched that the other day because of a YouTube rec. I have a small quibble with the assertion that Asimov was the first to create a galactic empire (surely Lensmen by Smith predates Foundation), but otherwise it’s an excellent overview of those stories.


message 3: by Phil (last edited Sep 04, 2019 06:50PM) (new)

Phil | 1134 comments Trike wrote: "Phil wrote: "I found this video essay comparing Foundation, Dune, and Hyperion to be interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGfHA..."

I watched that the other day because ..."


Yeah, I thought of Lensmen too when he said that. I just looked it up and the short stories that Foundation was based on were published a few years before the first Lensmen book although not published as a novel till 3 years after. I had thought Smith's books came out in the 30's.


message 4: by Trike (new)

Trike | 8142 comments According to a quick look at ISFDB, the Lensmen stories “Pirates of Space”, “Galactic Patrol” and “The Vortex Blaster” first appeared in 1934, 1937 and 1941, respectively.

The first two Foundation stories, “The Encyclopedists” and “The Mayors” appeared in 1942, while the third, “The Traders”, was published in 1944.

So there’s that bit of trivia settled.

The Lensmen stories featured one million inhabitated planets in the galaxy, while I believe Foundation was the first one to feature only humans. Going on very old memories for that, though, so grain of salt time.


message 5: by Trike (new)

Trike | 8142 comments I do think that Foundation is the book that popularized the idea of a Galactic Empire, though, and George Lucas certainly lifted aspects for Star Wars. What is Coruscant if not Trantor?


message 6: by Phil (last edited Sep 05, 2019 07:42AM) (new)

Phil | 1134 comments Trike wrote: "According to a quick look at ISFDB, the Lensmen stories “Pirates of Space”, “Galactic Patrol” and “The Vortex Blaster” first appeared in 1934, 1937 and 1941, respectively.

The first two Foundation..."


Ah, that'll teach me for only looking on Wikipedia.
Thanks Trike.


message 7: by Trike (new)

Trike | 8142 comments The fix-up novels concatenating the stories from that era really makes it confusing.

But anyway, it’s a really good video and I hope he does more.


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