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Jeffrey Epstein's death: Suicide, as reported? Or murder?? (And could his bizarre death relate at all to his known associates like Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and President Trump?)
Jeffrey Epstein's death raises questions and conspiracy theories https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-1...By apparently taking his own life, Jeffrey Epstein has ensured he'll never endure the national humiliation of a trial.
The wealthy financier won't have to spend the rest of his days in prison or face his accusers.
Nor will he have to reveal who helped him carry out his allegedly depraved acts on young girls.
For those who say they are victims, his departure from this world will come as only as a small comfort.
They — and probably a significant number of Americans — believe it's an example of how the United States' justice system is slanted against them and in favour of the rich, well-connected elite.
Epstein's impressive social circle
Mr Epstein's former social circle has been spoken about a lot.
He once knew US President Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, former president Bill Clinton and retail billionaire Leslie Wexner.
Serious questions asked about his death
Bail was denied on July 18 and a week later, Mr Epstein was found unconscious with marks on his neck in what was reportedly being investigated as a suicide attempt.
Now, he's dead.
On Friday, a series of previously secret legal documents had been publicly released, which provided more insight into the actions of Mr Epstein and his associates.
For some reason, he wasn't on suicide watch.
The US Attorney-General is now demanding to know what happened, and two investigations will take place.
But Mr Epstein's death means a highly anticipated criminal case, which was likely to go to trial next year, is at a sudden end.
Many are now asking and speculating: what secrets did he take to the grave. The online world is awash with rumours and conspiracy theories.
For the alleged victims though, there's really only one way forward.
They are demanding prosecutors vigorously pursue anyone who may have helped Mr Epstein commit sex crimes and avoid punishment for so long.
FBI and DoJ launch investigations into Jeffrey Epstein's deathInvestigations into Epstein’s death to ask why he was taken off suicide watch as accusers express outrage https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...
He was murdered. I mean cmon...he was taken off suicide watch on a weekend, the very weekend he is “murdered” or “suicided” no less, his cell mate was moved just before his death and coincidentally, the video system decides to not work suspiciously at time of death. He was either murdered or his death was faked-I cannot believe suicide for one minute. This dude had serious dirt on serious people in politics, entertainment and high academia, maybe even clergy. Whether anyone wants to believe this or not, it seems the most likely candidate for his murder was the Clintons-they have a body count a mile deep with regard to those who had dirt on them. Say what you will about Trump, but he disavowed the guy years ago, kicked him out of his club for messing with an underage girl and brought himself before authorities without subpoena to offer any intel he could when Epstein was first booked years ago. Politics aside, this dude most likely already had deep documentation on all the pedos of power to keep this kind of thing from happening-if suddenly the FBI suspiciously loses or accidentally destroys this evidence, then you will know for a fact this was a deep state hit job.
B. wrote: "This dude had serious dirt on serious people in politics, entertainment and high academia, maybe even clergy. Whether anyone wants to believe this or not, it seems the most likely candidate for his murder was the Clintons-they have a body count a mile deep with regard to those who had dirt on them. Say what you will about Trump, but he disavowed the guy years ago, kicked him out of his club for messing with an underage girl and brought himself before authorities without subpoena to offer any intel he could when Epstein was first booked years ago. Politics aside, this dude most likely already had deep documentation on all the pedos of power to keep this kind of thing from happening-if suddenly the FBI suspiciously loses or accidentally destroys this evidence, then you will know for a fact this was a deep state hit job. ."I'd personally approach this with a more bipartisan, or apolitical, approach. Democrats are automatically blaming Trump... zzzzzz... Republicans are automatically blaming Clinton... zzzzz... Both Trump and Clinton (and British Royals) had serious ties to this scumbag and all should be suspects. Just because Trump eventually fell out with the guy (reportedly a business disagreement), doesn't mean he's innocent or not part of the pedo elite. Best to look at it all objectively.
But yeah, Bill Clinton was on that Lolita Express plane to Epstein's private island even more than Trump, likewise with Prince Andrew.
Asking who killed him is not as useful as asking how he skated in Florida. Once you do that you can see the full scale of the nightmare. This video covers it fairly well, though it does wander a little and a few have claimed that the cat avatar is distracting.https://youtu.be/ldkw62WkaBU
If this interpretation is correct, I submit that Ghislaine Maxwell is a dead woman.
Jeffrey Epstein: two jail guards placed on leave and warden reassigned, DoJ says https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...Someone Posted Details About Jeffrey Epstein's Death On 4Chan Before It Became Public https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/08/so...
Lance wrote: "Jeffrey Epstein: two jail guards placed on leave and warden reassigned, DoJ says https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...Someone Posted Details About Jeff..."
Say whhhhhaaaaat??? Nobody else thinks he got freed somehow though?
A group poll on this subject is currently underway, it asks members: Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide or was murdered?https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...
Have your say and vote now!
Irene wrote: "Nobody else thinks he got freed somehow though?..."I certainly wouldn't discount it, Irene (definitely do-able)
But remember one way to cover things up is also to create all sorts of disinfo and misleading trails (e.g. JFK's death) until finally many people get confused by it all...and therefore just end up trusting the official story because all the conspiracies appear to contradict each other...
So it's very hard to say unless we were at the scene of the crime.
Just saw two things that were interesting regarding Epstein this am-A painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress and red heels was hanging in his home...also that the autopsy revealed broken bones in his neck which may indicate foul play and not suicide. The mystery surrounding this whacko keeps getting deeper.
Irene wrote: "Lance wrote: "Jeffrey Epstein: two jail guards placed on leave and warden reassigned, DoJ says https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...Someone Posted Deta..."
Possible. But it seems easier for "them" to just kill him.
Oh I definitely suspect murder... I mean rumour has it even prince Andrew (younger brother of prince Charles) was involved in those, and I quote, " indecent behaviours towards minors". The two were also notoriously friends. And who's prince Andrew's father? Yeps, it's prince Phillip. The powerful prince consort who happens to also be suspected of ordering the MI6 to murder Lady Diana when she, too, became a nuisance to the royal family. But obviously...this is just a conspiracy theory among others. I could be completely wrong. And the man could be as pure as snow!
Jeffrey Epstein ‘Friend’ Ghislaine Maxwell Has More Skeletons in Her Family Closet Than a House of Horrors https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey...The late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime companion and alleged procurer comes from a clan with a penchant for sex, intrigue, science, and illusions.
Prince Andrew’s engagements cancelled by hosts amid Epstein backlash https://www.news.com.au/entertainment...A string of Prince Andrew’s public appearances have been cancelled by his hosts amid mounting backlash over his friendship with disgraced billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.
Dave Rubin's Priceless Reaction to Jeffrey Epstein News | Glenn Beck | POLITICS | Rubin Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUWvS...
Jeffrey Epstein's island temple inspired dozens of conspiracy theories. We spoke to someone who went inside. https://www.insider.com/inside-jeffre...
This is what WikiSpooks says about the Epstein saga...Jeffrey Epstein https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Jeffrey_E...
Jeffrey Epstein is?/was a US billionaire businessman and deep state actor with links to many deep state operatives including Bill Clinton & Donald Trump. In 2008 he was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution (although minors cannot be prostitutes under US law[citation needed]).[1] Although a court document alleged that Epstein ran a "sexual abuse ring", and lent underage girls to "prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders",[2] Epstein was given 13 months of "absurdly soft jail time" and released after a secret plea deal between his defense lawyer Jay Lefkowitz and prosecutor by Alex Acosta.[3]
Full article: Stub class article Epstein Affair
Epstein was re-arrested on July 6, 2019, on federal charges for sex trafficking of minors in Florida and New York.[4] According to Bloomberg: "He was arrested on the weekend after returning from Paris on his Gulfstream G550."[5] In July he was reportedly found unconscious in his Manhattan jail cell with injuries to his neck[6] , after which he was put on a "suicide watch", but on August 2019 it Reuters reported that "Epstein found dead in jail, was not on suicide watch".[7]
Connections
Flight logs show that Bill Clinton took at least 26 trips on Epstein’s infamous private sex plane, dubbed the "Lolita Express".[17]
Donald Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein "I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."[18]
Full WikiSpooks page here: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Jeffrey_E...
The group poll which asked Undergrounders "Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide or was murdered?" has now ended.Here are the voting results:
MURDERED 211 votes 60.8%
NOT SURE 96 votes 27.7%
SUICIDE 40 votes 11.5%
To have a read of the lively comments section that occurred during the voting period (and which you can still add to), check out the following: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...
The Strange Saga of Jeffrey Epstein’s Link to a Child Star Turned Cryptocurrency Mogul https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...How Brock Pierce ended up as an Epstein guest along with a NASA computer engineer, an MIT professor and a Nobel laureate in theoretical physics is a bizarre tale involving Steve Bannon and an international man of mystery who may or may not be dead.
ANDREW 'LEVERAGE' MI6 fears Russia will be able to link Prince Andrew to Jeffrey Epstein abuse after former cop had access to billionaire paedo investigationhttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9978352...
MI6 fears that Russia may hold information potentially linking Prince Andrew to the Jeffrey Epstein abuse scandal, says a security source.
The Secret Intelligence Service is apparently worried that a disgruntled ex-cop who fled the US and was granted political asylum in Russia might have "compromising material on the royal", reports The Times.
Prince Andrew
HRH Prince Andrew Duke of York
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9978352...
DEEPER AND DEEPER Prince Andrew dragged even further into Jeffrey Epstein paedo scandal as FBI expands investigation to identify more victims https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1002793...PRINCE Andrew could become more deeply engulfed in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal as the FBI seek to talk to 100 alleged victims of the late American billionaire, it’s reported.
The US law enforcement agency’s investigation has been expanded to identify more alleged human trafficking victims of Epstein, who could provide information on the Duke.
The Jeffrey Epstein Conspiracy | True Geordie Podcast #119 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ3rZ...Jeffrey Epstein was an American financier and convicted Sex Offender. Since his death many think his connections to those in power need to be looked in to and Shaun Attwood reveals what his research in to Epstein has uncovered in this True Geordie Podcast.
Epstein Accuser’s Lawyer: Ghislaine Maxwell Can’t Be Found https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey...Lawyers for one of Jeffrey Epstein’s accusers say they have not been able to find the money-manager’s alleged accomplice, publishing heiress Ghislaine Maxwell, to serve her with legal papers. “She hasn’t responded to the original complaint. We have repeatedly sought to reach out to her attorneys [but] they are not prepared to accept service on her behalf,” said Dan Kaiser, an attorney for Jennifer Araoz. Kaiser said his team has hired investigators to track down Maxwell to no avail. His co-counsel, Kimberly Lerner, said it’s possible that she fled the country, but added that it’s likely the FBI knows where she is. In a lawsuit filed in August, Araoz claims that Maxwell served as Epstein’s sex-trafficking madam and facilitated her rape when she was 14 years old.
Bill Gates, who said he had no relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, reportedly met with the disgraced financier multiple times, including a 2011 meeting with billionaire Eva Dubin and her teenage daughter https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-...Now, contrary to Gates' assertion last month that he and Epstein "didn't have any business relationship or friendship," The New York Times reports that the two met multiple times beginning in 2011, and at least three times at Epstein's Manhattan residence.
One meeting included billionaire Eva Andersson-Dubin and her then-teenage daughter. The family has been closely linked to Epstein since Dubin dated Epstein in the 1980s, though they've attempted to distance themselves in recent months.
In an email obtained by The Times that Gates sent to colleagues after he met Epstein face-to-face for the first time, he noted that "a very attractive Swedish woman and her daughter dropped by and I ended up staying there quite late."
Bill Gates had a closer relationship with Jeffrey Epstein than he admitted, The New York Times reports https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/2...
Epstein was involved with Gates personally and with his namesake foundation
Bill Gates is a Goodreads member so maybe someone can contact him and ask him "What's this all about Billy boy?" https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...
It's murkier than it seems. As Erle Stanley Gardner would say, the motives for a murder are more stronger than that of a suicide.
Iain wrote: "can we be sure that he was part of or co-operated in his sex ring?..."No we can't and I don't see anyone saying anyone here or on in the media saying they can be sure.
But it appears he might have some explaining to do.
If memory serves me correctly, wasn't Epstein convicted of pedophilia in 2008? If so, why are the charitable Gates Foundation members including Gates himself meeting with him in 2011? Isn't much of their foundation to do with child welfare? Or does my memory fail me and Epstein's 2008 conviction wasn't commonly known or totally secret? I forget now.
Ask Billy boy here on Goodreads, Iain! Conduct an interview on social media :)
Some clever questions and you never know you might get him to spit the dummy like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd4...
Looks like my memory did serve me correctly in this instance, re the timeline of when he was known to be a sex offender/pedo (not sure why Gates wasn't mentioned in this article, but it's a month-old article so probably Gates' social encounters with Epstein weren't known yet):In 2011, Jeffrey Epstein Was A Known Sex Offender. The Leaders Of Amazon, Google, And Tesla Dined With Him Anyway https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/...
After pleading guilty to charges of soliciting prostitution from an underage girl, Jeffrey Epstein spent part of 2011 reintroducing himself to elite society. A March 2011 dinner with the most powerful figures in tech showed just how connected he was.
Iain wrote: "No, but the media isn't clear drawing distinction either, they're purposely conflating contexts regarding this. Making intimations.The kind stuff that whips up hysteria for the virtue-signaler or..."
Yeah, but if we had more investigative journalists, and braver ones, then they would've raised the rather obvious (obvious in hindsight) question in the media back in 2011: What are all these industrialists doing meeting with a known sex offender?
Yes, virtue signalling exists, but we also need to watch how those who want to cover things up use that term to start calling everything virtue signalling... It's a double-edged sword as virtue signalling does sometimes need to be called out.
In my opinion, when children's lives or at least wellbeing are at stake, then journalists shouldn't tread too lightly. I read thru it quickly, but that article from the New York Times seemed pretty fair to me: It never said Gates is guilty or did anything specific, but was simply asking why his story changed and why he said he only ever met Epstein once when it's now been revealed he met with him at least 3 times including socially -- and also why he said Epstein lives an "intriguing lifestyle"...
Again, Iain, ask him again here on Goodreads... You never know, you might get a reply!
Iain wrote: ""Mate you raised it. Why don't you give him a message. And while your at it, ask him for me why he failed to corner the mobile market. Cheers..."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTDCE...
Iain wrote: "I never suggested to tread lightly here? The suggestion was to be more objective and thorough with facts before presenting an article...."Given all that's gone down with Epstein, I think everyone of his associates should be questioned hard by the press. They should explain what they were doing interacting/socialising with him. The NY Times appeared to be doing that in that article and I didn't spot any baseless allegations or anything suggesting Gates had done anything like Epstein.
Again, children's well being is at stake -- ask them the hard questions. Otherwise what's the news media for?
Fair points, but the "attractive blonde" comment was Gates' comment (on the record about some Epstein party he attended at Epstein's mansion), so the NY Times were simply quoting Gates verbatim about the mother of the teenage girl they referenced.And I only keep mentioning children's well being is at stake to explain why I would in this instance support journalism that is a little presumptuous regarding some of these celebs and industrialists socializing with Epstein: especially as they have the expensive lawyers to defend themselves well if they are really innocent.
Jeffrey Epstein's inner circle Ghislaine Maxwell and Jean-Luc Brunel traced to Brazil https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-ep...Jean-Luc Brunel's phone was traced to the Infinity Blue Resort and Spa in Santa Catarina, according to a former US police officer.
Bill Gates visited pedophile Jeffrey Epstein ‘many times,’ revealed a report https://thebl.com/us-news/bill-gates-...A new report revealed that Bill Gates visited Jeffrey Epstein “many times” despite knowing his criminal record that had led him to serve a prison sentence for sexual crimes against children, according to The New York Times.
The second richest man in the world began his friendship with Epstein in 2011, after he acknowledged that he was a pedophile in order to avoid further condemnation in the face of a barrage of accusations against him for sexual abuse, which were filed by dozens of minors.
Now, New York Times investigators said that after interviewing more than a dozen people familiar with the relationship between Gates and Epstein, they found some interesting testimonies, mainly from employees of the Gates Foundation.
These workers pointed out that the millionaire co-founder of Microsoft, whose fortune amounts to more than $100,000 million, justified his relationship with Epstein by minimizing his sentence.
They also recalled that on one occasion, Epstein, with whom they claimed to have had several meetings for the creation of a multimillion-dollar charity fund that also included JPMorgan, went so far as to tell them that his crimes were no worse than stealing a bagel.
It should be noted that Gates also appears on the flight logs of Epstein’s private plane nicknamed the “Lolita Express,” where continuous child abuse was reported.
The new report, which exposes the link between the two tycoons, was released after Gates told the Wall Street Journal last month that he “had no business or friendship” with Epstein.
The co-founder of Microsoft also told Axios last month, “I wish I hadn’t met with him,” and insisted that he had no “business or personal relationship” with the deceased.
However, Gates visited Epstein’s mansion in New York at least three times. After one of the meetings, he wrote to his colleagues, according to an email obtained by The New York Times: “A very attractive Swedish woman and her daughter dropped by and I ended up staying there quite late.”
Months later, the two could be seen talking at a TED conference in Long Beach, California, according to Daily Mail.
The late child sex offender, Epstein, also acted as an intermediary, channeling “anonymously” a large donation made by Bill Gates to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Media Lab, the New Yorker reported.
Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his cell while awaiting trial for running a child sex trafficking ring linked to rich, powerful, and famous people.
Mate, you could get a job as a Microsoft PR rep at this rate :)
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Documentary raises questions over origin of convicted sex offender’s wealth https://www.news.com.au/finance/money...Jeffrey Epstein was worth hundreds of millions before his death. But new questions about where that cash came from have emerged.
Others mentioned in the documentary claimed there was little public evidence of how exactly Epstein made his millions, with Mr Carr arguing Wall Street figures had “no idea where he got the money”.
And forensic lawyer Jennifer Lee Barringer said there was little proof Epstein was a genuine banker.
“$600 million as an investment banker is not a crazy amount of money … for an investment banker that is working every day,” she told Fox Nation.
“However, it’s my understanding, he wasn’t working every day and he didn’t have that many clients. So you have to wonder if it’s possible that he was being paid in other ways.
“Paid to keep information secret. Paid to — God forbid — have other people come or give young girls to other men. It is open for suspicion if nothing else.”
Shortly after Epstein allegedly took his own life, it emerged that he had signed a will on August 8 — just two days before he died.
All of his holdings had been placed in a trust, called The 1953 Trust, named after his year of birth.
Iain wrote: "Is this a reason for Gates's "intriguing" comment? I.e., how does this guy make a living?..."Could be, yeah.
Sounds to me like he created $600 million outta thin air and forensic accountants cannot find evidence of much work or the kind of consistent employment or business that normally generates that much.
More likely Black-op budgets I sense.Remember intel. agencies worldwide have specialized for decades on getting blackmail-able info on world leaders (usually of the sexual variety).
Seems like Epstein might've been a conduit to a whole lot of powerful figures and his "intriguing lifestyle" seemed to attract some to him...Like moths to the flame, perhaps?
Re all those who were regularly meeting with Epstein...Have to remember it has now been reported by numerous sources (i.e. dozens of female victims and also some associates who met him too) that Epstein would openly talk about his sexual encounters with the underaged -- often during very first meetings, it's been reported by several. For example, there was even a journalist (I forget from which newspaper now but this was widely reported recently) who met only once with Epstein a few years before he died, and Epstein mentioned how his crimes of pedophilia were no worse than stealing a bagel -- the journalist had signed an agreement beforehand and couldn't print the comment until after Epstein died.
So if Epstein was speaking like this so openly and boldly without fear of any prosecution, then there are worrying signs about anyone meeting with him repeatedly. I mean, the correct response to anyone openly saying such things is to immediately call the police (one can even report that anonymously remember and the cops will investigate even on the rumour or suspicion that children may be being harmed).
Iain wrote: "Epstein also stated to some people at the time that he was an intelligence agent...."I missed that as was skim-reading it previously -- good spotting, Iain. And the connection to Adnan Khashoggi is interesting too.
Epstein ties into the the offshore investment world too, given that he resided on that island in the Caribbean.
Nope, forget all that macho shit.To get to the bottom of this, it'd take some real intel.ligence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_RD...
haha, great minds! (or inferior minds!)Either way, we both just thought up the exact same thing at the exact same moment.
Jeffrey Epstein Had 13 Different Numbers For Former Friend Prince Andrew https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabelto...p.s. From memory, it was reported by one news outlet that Epstein also had 10 different phone numbers for Trump!
this is one mystery where there is a sudden news black out . Hmmmm?
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