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The Big Time (1958) *No Spoilers*
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"The neat thing about this particular Ace Double is that the six short stories in the other half were related to the feature novel." That's pretty nifty. I may have to see if I can locate a copy.
"Several reviewers complained it was hard for them to follow." I did not find this to be the case, but individual mileage will vary. Either way, the effort is worth it. The story is also part mystery, so as with most mysteries, the how-dun-it is not supposed to be easy to discover until the big reveal.
"This book won the 1958 Hugo Award for best novel, which rather surprises me since the book has a relatively low GoodReads rating, just 3.27." This surprises me too but for different reasons. I'm surprised it is not rated higher. Perhaps, it is not translating well for a modern audience. Personally, I rate it fully Hugo worthy. It is a 5-star story.
Enjoy, everyone!
"Several reviewers complained it was hard for them to follow." I did not find this to be the case, but individual mileage will vary. Either way, the effort is worth it. The story is also part mystery, so as with most mysteries, the how-dun-it is not supposed to be easy to discover until the big reveal.
"This book won the 1958 Hugo Award for best novel, which rather surprises me since the book has a relatively low GoodReads rating, just 3.27." This surprises me too but for different reasons. I'm surprised it is not rated higher. Perhaps, it is not translating well for a modern audience. Personally, I rate it fully Hugo worthy. It is a 5-star story.
Enjoy, everyone!
Charles wrote: ""The neat thing about this particular Ace Double is that the six short stories in the other half were related to the feature novel." That's pretty nifty. I may have to see if I can locate a copy."
If you have the good fortune of finding one, then our new masthead will look very familiar to you. The image is taken from the back side of that Ace Double. It was too cool to resist.
If you have the good fortune of finding one, then our new masthead will look very familiar to you. The image is taken from the back side of that Ace Double. It was too cool to resist.
David wrote: "Would it make sense to create separate threads for spoiler-free and spoilery discussions of The Big Time? I'm already finding noteworthy passages."
I second this.
I second this.
The Big Time is a novel set in the Changewar. A little bit of background on the Changewar by Earl Wajenberg can be found at The Scrolls, and if it helps, I have a Glossary of Changewar Terms at the Scrolls of Lankhmar as well.
This novel can be listened to in three hours and forty-one minutes here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUCPu...
I start my reading of it tonight!
I start my reading of it tonight!
One of the things folks should keep in mind while going into this reading is that the story is not told in a naturalistic fashion as many of us may be used to with modern storytelling. In fact, Leiber wrote it as if it was a play. Leiber was the son of two Shakespearian actors and those experiences reflect in many of his works. But he does not just let us stumble in blindly. He does, in fact, give us two vital clues at the beginning of the first chapter: first, a quote from Macbeth, and second, the chapter title in the form of stage directions, "Enter Three Hussars."
I postponed my reading of The Big Time a bit. Having three months in which to read it is nice. I can pick the time I'm most in the mood for some science fiction. I'm resuming it now, but I became curious about reading the Changewar series in internal chronology order rather than publication. I found most of the series here for free: https://archive.org/details/changewar...
It's Changewar, a collection of the short stories of the Changewar. The book starts with "Try and Change the Past", which seemed to me a great introduction to Leiber's concept for the entire series, a very logical place to start - 4 stars.
The next story is "The Oldest Soldier" a very exciting chase story that lets the reader know something of the stakes involved. I really like it because we're getting an outsider's perspective on the Changewar. It's a way of dipping one's feet into the water to test the temperature. It's also a suspenseful story. The only thing I might have wished for was to be at the bar to hear more of Max's stories. - 5 stars.
The next prequel story both collections agree is "Damnation Morning". It's a good story, but asks more questions than it answers - 4 stars.
After that, it's on to the main event with The Big Time. If you've not started with the novella, I recommend reading these three short stories first. They form a great introduction to Leiber's concepts on time travel and the nature of the time stream. The Big Time just throws you into the water as your first swimming lesson.
It's Changewar, a collection of the short stories of the Changewar. The book starts with "Try and Change the Past", which seemed to me a great introduction to Leiber's concept for the entire series, a very logical place to start - 4 stars.
The next story is "The Oldest Soldier" a very exciting chase story that lets the reader know something of the stakes involved. I really like it because we're getting an outsider's perspective on the Changewar. It's a way of dipping one's feet into the water to test the temperature. It's also a suspenseful story. The only thing I might have wished for was to be at the bar to hear more of Max's stories. - 5 stars.
The next prequel story both collections agree is "Damnation Morning". It's a good story, but asks more questions than it answers - 4 stars.
After that, it's on to the main event with The Big Time. If you've not started with the novella, I recommend reading these three short stories first. They form a great introduction to Leiber's concepts on time travel and the nature of the time stream. The Big Time just throws you into the water as your first swimming lesson.

You can always (as I am) read the entire Changewar series over the three months of summer (June 22 - September 21).
Books mentioned in this topic
The Big Time (other topics)Changewar (other topics)
Snakes & Spiders: The Definitive Change War Collection (other topics)
Good news! The novel is free for Kindle readers. No big investment required. Not even time. At just 128 pages, it's a short novel. To acquire it, follow the link provided here. It's also available at Project Gutenberg and there's a free Audiovox version. Not sure I recommend audio listening to rather than reading this book. From what I see about The Big Time on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big...), the novel is pretty complicated. Several reviewers complained it was hard for them to follow. That might make it hard to track by audio.
This book won the 1958 Hugo Award for best novel, which rather surprises me since the book has a relatively low GoodReads rating, just 3.27. Also, one seldom hears of this book. As famous as Sranger in a Strange Land, another Hugo winner, it's not. Why is that? Maybe I'll grok why after I commence reading.
I should mention that as with most things Leiber internal Change War series chronology order is different from publication order. In 2012 Snakes & Spiders: The Definitive Change War Collection was published, establishing internal story order as follows:
1 • The Oldest Soldier • [Change War] • (1960) • short story
17 • Damnation Morning • [Change War] • (1959) • short story
29 • The Big Time • [Change War • 1] • (1958) • novel
119 • Try and Change the Past • [Change War] • (1958) • short story
125 • A Deskful of Girls • [Change War] • (1958) • novelette
149 • Knight to Move • [Change War] • (1965) • short story
157 • When the Change-Winds Blow • (1964) • short story
165 • No Great Magic • [Change War] • (1963) • novella
As you can see, two stories precede the novel and five come after. So please know by reading the novel first, assuming you plan to read the rest of the series afterwards, you are committing to reading in publication (if any) order.