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message 1: by RandomAnthony (new)

RandomAnthony Question(s)...

What makes you change your mind on an issue?

On what issues have you changed your mind/position over the years?

How have you changed over the past ten years?

About what issues do you see yourself never changing your mind?


What behaviors have you changed over time? What would you like to change?

What else about change?



message 2: by RandomAnthony (new)

RandomAnthony By 8:18AM I've often already been at work for a couple hours...

In fact, that's one way I've changed. I'm a true morning person now, and I hardly ever stay up past 10:00PM. You can't handle my rock and roll lifestyle.

I also have changed to be less, I guess the right word would be "angry" over the years. I don't get frustrated as easily as in the past. I've also never been that ambitious, I guess, but I find myself even less ambitious as I get older. I just want to live in a small house and read. I value my time a lot. I don't need a lot of "stuff".

If Obama isn't nominated for President by the Dems I may vote Republican for the first time in my life.

I'm a vegetarian and I don't see that ever changing.






message 3: by Tim (new)

Tim Dammit gents and ladies (Hi :D), I have now spent the last wee while being drawn in by the discussions in this, another, interesting and mostly well reasoned group on this site. ;)

Excellent thread, to follow on from the recent posts i just read in the other thread that touched upon conversion of sorts.

I may reflect and reply to this further later. Fer now - Hmm, i think i have become more "angry". The more i find out about injustices, the more unsettled i become. This may be a good thing if i was able to in turn channel this into some form which was "useful". The reality is that I am not. Thus the spiral winds further around. Logic suggests stepping of the ride. Being logical, i wonder why it seems that I (is it really all me) insist upon staying on. In some ways i can see that not having changed in me - strong resolve. Actually, not strictly true, as I do let go generally as quickly as I become aware that that resolve was based in ignorance.

Heh, do ye start in knowledge and move into awareness of ignorance, or the other way round.. both perhaps.

I like yer comment re yer voting, i hope many more are free enough to think outside a certain political box.


message 4: by Howard (new)

Howard (howardmittelmark) I've changed a lot of outward things, but I'm mostly the same guy I always was. I did, though, have a kid at some point, which changes you no matter how much you fight it. I think some of the stuff that you cited, Anthony, might be kid-related, but I don't want to speak for you.

Re: the source of this thread, changing beliefs/intellectual stances, I've actually changed positions on the free will question after years of debating it online. I used to think it was obvious that we had it; now I can see how it's very likely we do not.


message 5: by Kristjan (new)

Kristjan (booktroll) Randomanthony said: “I also have changed to be less, I guess the right word would be "angry" over the years. I don't get frustrated as easily as in the past. I've also never been that ambitious, I guess, but I find myself even less ambitious as I get older. I just want to live in a small house and read. I value my time a lot. I don't need a lot of "stuff".

That pretty much rings true for me as well

If Obama isn't nominated for President by the Dems I may vote Republican for the first time in my life.

At least you aren’t threatening to move to Canada :) ... Politics is probably where I have changed the most as far as personal opinion is concerned. At one point in my life I was a flaming Socialist ... then I moved to more of a limited government state’s rights Republican before lining up with a mostly Libertarian philosophy ... all of which don’t seem to be able to solve any of the problems I see in government. During the 96 election I drafted a ‘Me for President’ plank and sent it to my friends and family ... which include Kennedy Liberals and Limbaugh Conservatives ... I managed to tick them all off :)

I am still a registered Republican (out of shear stubbornness), but if Obama is the Democratic nominee, he has my vote (unless Clinton is on the ticket in any way shape or form). Not that my vote actually counts for anything ... Massachusetts is pretty firmly in the Democrat’s camp last time I checked.



message 6: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant while I'm thinking about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w1N6R...


message 7: by Jessica (new)

Jessica (jesstrea) Brings me back...thanks Paul! I was a Talking Head nutcase...even went to a concert of theirs in Cleveland by myself just to catch them live...definitely worth it (1979 or '80).


message 8: by Charissa, That's Ms. Obnoxious Twat to You. (new)

Charissa (dakinigrl) | 3620 comments Mod
I have changed a great deal over the years... especially my political and philosophical views. But that is a novel in and of itself. My biggest change I think has come since 9/11. It was slowly happening anyway, but that just flipped a whole other switch and I started asking different questions, and having different debates. I lost a lot of my liberal friends, who decided I was a Nazi fascist conservative Republican... seriously, I actually got called that... it was amazing. But it was a very important experience to enter into debates with conservatives and actually listen, to gather information and sift it all... to really think about things, to put away preconceived notions I had been raised inside of. I don't think that process is over... I definitely don't think I have all the answers, and that is the main difference from when I was younger. I was certain I had it all figured out and summed up neatly. Now I see how complex issues are and how important it is to keep questioning, learning, discussing, seeking, staying open. It's not as easy has feeling you have it all figured out... but I think I gave up needing that, which was a huge relief.

I don't think I have changed as a person in my core however. I am generally kind, compassionate, loud mouthed, quirky and way too analytical for my own good. That has always been true and seems to be what continues regardless.


message 9: by Charissa, That's Ms. Obnoxious Twat to You. (new)

Charissa (dakinigrl) | 3620 comments Mod
panhandling helped me gather change.


message 10: by Meels (new)

Meels (amelia) Wow, I've changed A LOT...makes me sound indecisive or week, but I have.

I wanted to be married...not interested in that anymore (partner is okay, but it would take a lot to get me back to marriage)

I wanted six kids...am content now with none

I believed that if your church building didn't say "Church of Christ" on it, you were going to hell, and it was my job to dunk you!...(please see the other thread, the one about learning something new or whatever)

I was once sure that 36 was nearly dead...I still feel 16 (mostly, other than the occasional back ache) Now I'm thinking more like 80 or 90 is "old"

I was a staunch Democrat as a young person, became an even more staunch Republican as a young adult...now I think I am more the "independent" kind of girl and am considering re-registering as such if I can bother my face to do it.

There was also a time when I thought that I could not live another day apart from a particular boy...I've lived lots of them and am quite sure that this "one person out there just for you" thing people talk about is complete rubbish!

I could go on...


shellyindallas Wow Amy:

On Marriage: Me too!

On kids: Me too! (well three, but now none)

On Christ: Umm. Sort of. Well, I grew up believing in God and now I don't

On turning 36: Me too!

On "switching teams": Me too! (was a hardcore dem for awhile, now I'm open to other options)

On Boys: Me too! Oh God the ridiculousness! "How will I go on w/o such and such"--answer, much better!


shellyindallas Forgot to mention I was born and raised in TX and remember the first time I went to church w/ my neighbors and they passed the basket around... I was like "wha?"

Then in High School a friend's dad was one of those crazy "will heal" preachers with the huge church (was even exposed on 20/20). They had one of the nicest houses in the neighborhood, took all the great vacations, etc.
Once we went to her house to swim and she took us into her parents closet and there were like 10 of those giant chlorine buckets filled w/ cash and coin. She dipped her hand in, took a huge chunk, and bought us all lunch. Her dad had healed my hunger pains! Hallelujah!


message 13: by Meels (new)

Meels (amelia) Shelly, I'm sure we could laugh our asses off for hours at the local coffe shop! When I make it back to Dallas again, may have to detour to Austin (always my fav. Texas city anyway)!!


shellyindallas yes do! always best to keep visits to dallas as brief as possible!


message 15: by Meels (new)

Meels (amelia) Girl, I lived in Lubbock...twice! Dallas is a paradise when compared to Lubbock!!


message 16: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant Very interesting comment from Charissa - I'd like to start up a whole new thread - how did 9/11 change the way you thought about things - or how it didn't change you - it's one thing reading the acres of commentary from the great and the good but it's another thing for me to listen to a bunch of real Americans like you lot. But I won't start up a new thread unless you think it's interesting, you might be sick of thinking about it.

Note - Lubbock is holy ground, Buddy Holly was born there.


message 17: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant PS - Buddy Holly changed my mind. After listening to a bunch of complicated psychedelical shit he reminded me that simple can be profound too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMezwt...


message 18: by Tim (new)

Tim I second that motion Paul. I think that the attitudes and events (leading up to and) from that incident are central to tens and hundreds of millions of peoples lives the world over.
Ensuring that talking about it is kept somewhat under the carpet will always be potentially more destructive impo.


message 19: by Kristjan (last edited Mar 12, 2008 06:14AM) (new)

Kristjan (booktroll) Paul said: ... how did 9/11 change the way you thought about things - or how it didn't change you.

I was changed much earlier then 911 ... on the cover of a magazine that was covering the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia, I saw a picture of a beautiful little girl ... perhaps 3-4 years old with dark hair, a cute smudge of dirt on her face and amazing eyes ... and a small red dot in the center of her forehead as the only indication that she would never grow older.


message 20: by Tim (new)

Tim Tragically well said Kristjan.

For me it was initially experiencing the human suffering consequences of foreign involvement in the Congo, particularly the US support of a corrupt dictator.

Then realising that the West really didn't give a shit (unless there was something in it for them) when everyone stood by and watched, and made it easier for it to happen, as Rwanda genocided (oh forgive me Mr Clinton, of course it wasn't a "genocide"....and I must force myself to realise that you believed this when you said that,

"all over the world there were people like me sitting in offices, day after day after day, who did not fully appreciate [pause] the depth [pause] and the speed [pause] with which you were being engulfed by this unimaginable terror.")

From the time of the destruction of towers in New York; the carnage of illegal "military interventions" by the US/UK and other bloodthirsty nations onwards and the mass protests by sane life affirming people the world over and the fact that the carnage continues anyway - The main change for me has been in the utter loss of hope for liberty, safety and health for a vast majority of the world's population.



message 21: by Meels (new)

Meels (amelia) Paul, Albert Francis Cross was from Loughborough...would you want to live there? Buddy Holly does nothing to improve the face of Lubbock. I really like him, but it doesn't soften the blow I am afraid.


message 22: by [deleted user] (last edited Mar 12, 2008 09:05AM) (new)

9/11
oh boy

1. i wasn't surprised
2. i knew what it was about
3. i didn't share the national sense of mourning because of;

a. personal tragedies that seemed more relevant
b. personal biases
c. i had long since given up on the morality of my nation

i have since gained an appreciation for individual sufferers of that attack but don't presume to think my national trauma compares or is equal to other national or regional traumas


message 23: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant Amy, Loughborough's just up the road from where I live. Some people might think I live on holy ground too, I drive by DH Lawrence's bird's old house every day. But not me - I'd really like the hours back that I spent reading Women in Lurve and The Rainbow, thanks all the same.


message 24: by Meels (new)

Meels (amelia) Paul, you live in Nottingham; that is a far cry from Loughborough...not in distance, but in aesthetics.

Maybe Corby would be a better analogy for you? Let's see, who was cool from Corby???

(Remember, I lived in Northampton.)



shellyindallas Paul and Amy: This whole Lubbock/Buddy Holly thing made me think of a song by the Dixie Chicks--maybe you're familiar with it Amy? "Lubbock or Leave It"

International airport
A quarter after nine
Paris Texas, Athens Georgia's
Not what I had in mind
As I'm getting out I laugh to myself
Cause this is the only place
Where as you're getting on the plane
You see Buddy Holly's face

I hear they hate me now
Just like they hated you
Maybe when I'm dead and gone
I'm gonna get a statue too

Seems they didn't appreciate much of Buddy Holly's kind back in his day.

I also need to add that this reminds me of a bias of mine--all (contemporary) country music is backwoods, redneck, crap. I actually didn't listen to a single Dixie Chicks song until until they dissed W. I was like "Wha? Country singers? Texans? Anti-Bush?"

I'm probably missing out, but, whatever.


message 26: by Meels (new)

Meels (amelia) Ha ha, I've been to Paris, Texas...several times!

I still can't stand the Dixie Chicks, but it's not because of the W. thing...country music makes my ears bleed.


message 27: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant Modern country music is nasty, but it didn't useta be like that - this is beautiful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKrF5q...

Oh the cuckoo is a pretty bird
She warbles as she flies



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