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This is the chapter thread for Chapter Eight of The American Lion.

This chapter is titled: MAJOR EATON HAS SPOKEN OF RESIGNING.


American Lion Andrew Jackson in the White House by Jon Meacham


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Folks, as moderator I try to stimulate discussion for each section. However, all of the threads are for you; so please initiate discussion on your own and express your own personal views.

If everybody just posts as they see fit in the appropriate non spoiler thread; it is helpful to get others to respond. There are no right or wrong answers or opinions; everyone has some great ideas that are always worth sharing.

I am honestly enjoying this book very much and I hope you are too.

Bentley


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A Jimmy O'Neill was mentioned at the beginning of the chapter as being the sort who was drinking on the job. I had to wonder why the White House kept him employed. Did anybody wonder about that?

Andrew Jackson was so exacting on so many things I could not understand how the mail room employee got away with this?


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John Eaton was described as being the decent sort. But there were some clergy who claimed that he had been also leading a lewd, licentous life. Did you think that Margaret (Peggie), his second wife, was bearing the brunt of it because there was a double standard as far as women were concerned?

I was also amazed at his letter to Emily. He stated: "You may take it for a certain rule that those whom you hear abusing others will by and by when occasion offers abuse you too." He seemed to imply that Emily would soon be a target too. He seemed to sense that the ladies were a "little nest of inquisitors."

The above may in fact have been true; but then to write a second letter asking for Emily to divulge the stories and the remarks she heard was literally placing Emily in the line of fire herself. I can see a husband trying to protect his wife; and this is indeed admirable and as it should be but not to the point of trying to manipulate a young girl and throw her under the bus to minimize your own damages.

I have to hand it to Emily. She handled her response beautifully. She did not take to kindly to the insinuation that Rachel might be a factor in terms of how she should approach her course of action and/or that Rachel's rumors might come back to haunt her too. This angered Emily and rightly so. As she stated, Rachel was loved and esteemed by family, friends and clergy. And that she would not be a victim because she had maintained her reputation despite her many faults as unsullied, pure and unsuspected. Andrew Donelson also tried to remain respectful in all of his interactions with the Eatons.

Where did you think most of the fault lie and why?



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It seems that Andrew Jackson really esteemed Eaton and thought that he had done well in every other aspect of his life. Jackson's defense was more for John than for Margaret - Meechum hyothesizes.

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/...

Eaton also had great affection for Jackson and he writes to John Coffey who became Governor:

"Our old friend is himself again after his latest illness - occasionally when home and the Hermitage is chanced to be named you may see something with deep emotion; but oordinarily he is lively, cheerful and agreeable professing the same undying understanding and the same prying curiosity to ascertain whatever is right and proper to be done as he ever has. President Jackson and Andrew Jackson are one and the same thing. Such a man cannot fail to win the esteem and confidence of the people."

Eaton's letter shows real affection and esteem for Jackson and one can see how close Jackson was to him. Do you feel that Jackson's adamant defense of Margaret was more a defense of his dear friend? I sense that Jackson with the loss of Rachel wanted to keep his family and his very close friends close and not lose them.


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What did everyone think about Biddle and the Bank scenario in Portsmouth?

Google has the following collection of Andrew Jackson's letters which describe the accusations against former Senator Jeremiah Mason who was now the head of the Portsmouth branch of the National Bank (see below).

Senator Levi Woodbury complained about Mason to Treasury Secretary Ingham (which I guess would be like complaining to Timothy Geithner today). The letter was forwarded to Biddle by Ingham.

This was in the summer of 1829. Ingham had admonished the bank and warned it to avoid any impropriety or any appearance of impropriety in its lending. The charge by the Jacksonians was that Mason and the Portsmouth branch were funding political campaigns. Biddle was like the ostrich sticking his head in the sand and vigorously defended Mason.

Here is a google edition which seems to give even more information regarding these activities:

The book is called: The Second Bank of the United States by Ralph Charles Henry Catterall. It was published in 1903.

http://books.google.com/books?id=981A...

There is also a collection of Andrew Jackson's letters which are interesting regarding this matter:

The Papers of Andrew Jackson - Volume 7 by By Andrew Jackson, Sam B. Smith, Daniel Feller, Harold D. Moser, Laura-Eve Moss

http://books.google.com/books?id=daEF...

Was the branch bank corrupt and what should Biddle have done about it. Should Ingram have handled the situation differently or was there little that he could do?

From what Meacham stated - the country could do two things - a) remove all of the government deposits - fatally crippling it or b) not renew its charter which was coming up for renewal in 1836.



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Jeremiah Mason:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah...

New Hampshire Division of Historical References:

http://www.nh.gov/nhdhr/publications/...

MEMOIRS OF JEREMIAH MASON: (ON GOOGLE)

http://books.google.com/books?id=AoDm...

I found an open library site with the above so you could read it on line:

http://openlibrary.org/a/OL269214A/Je...

House of Representatives biography:

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/...

This was sort of interesting: Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts is 10th or 11th cousin of George Bush , Kerry is a descendant of Jeremian Mason (3rd great grandson) and he is also a descendant of John Winthrop.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4...


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Biography of Samuel D. Ingham - Secretary of the Treasury under Jackson

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/hist...

Ingham really tried to do a good job and work between Biddle and Jackson to reach a solution; but unfortunately he was one of those folks on Jackson's cabinet at the time of the Eaton situation and had to resign too. Possibly things might have worked out differently if it hadn't been for Margaret Eaton.

Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_D...


Samuel D. Ingham, Secretary of the United States Treasury. BY WILLIAM A. INGHAM, PHILADELPHIA, PENN.

http://www.libraries.psu.edu/do/digit...

The papers of Andrew Jackson, Volume 7 By Andrew Jackson, Sam B. Smith, Daniel Feller, Harold D. Moser, Laura-Eve Moss

Letter from Samuel Delucenna Ingham to Andrew Jackson - November 9, 1829

http://books.google.com/books?id=daEF...

A history of currency in the United States, with a brief description of the ... By Alonzo Barton Hepburn

http://books.google.com/books?id=9xMs...


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Senator Levi Woodbury:

This guy was interesting, Senator and later a Supreme Court Justice - long illustrious career:

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Lev...

http://sonic.net/~buscador/Woodbury.htm

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/t...

Senators who served on the Supreme Court:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/refe...

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Levi_...

Woodbury was appointed to the Supreme Court later on by President Polk:

Here are the Supreme Court Nominations from 1789 until the present:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/refe...

Interesting that he ran for President; here is his Supreme Court painting: The site pointed out that "his formal studies made Woodbury the first Supreme Court justice to have attended law school." Source - Supreme Court

http://www.oyez.org/justices/levi_woo...

I guess sometime in his busy life he also found time to be the Secretary of the Navy:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pe...

Governor Levi Woodbury (lol) - he was a very busy man

http://www.nh.gov/nhdhr/publications/...

RENOWNED NH CITIZEN:

http://www.newhampshire.com/historica...

THE OFFICE OF THE TREASURY:

http://www.treas.gov/offices/manageme...

http://www.treas.gov/offices/manageme...

SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY - LEVI WOODBURY:

http://www.treas.gov/offices/manageme...

LEVI WOODBURY HAD TO HAVE BEEN AMAZING:

http://www.treas.gov/education/histor...

HISTORY OF THE TREASURY - LIST OF ALL OF THE SECRETARIES OF TREASURY

Levi Woodbury was Secretary of the Treasury under both Jackson and Van Buren.

http://www.treas.gov/education/histor...

http://www.treas.gov/education/histor...


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Nicholas Biddle:

Biddle is fascinating. He was a child genius; now how did that fare with Andrew Jackson.

http://www2.vcdh.virginia.edu/lewisan...

http://www.famousamericans.net/nichol...

The Rise and Fall of Nicholas Biddle:

http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publica...

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas...

The First Editor of the Lewis and Clark Journals: (Nicholas Biddle)

http://lewis-clark.org/content/conten...




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