Game of Thrones After Show Special 2019 (GOT ASS 2.0)

[Margret, Caladan Brood Face]

Get ready motherfuckers it is gonna be a wild ride

[Jenna, I'd be free if not for Temper & Edgewalker]

CAN'T WAIT

[Kathrine]

AHH SO SOON!

Who are you rooting for?

[Anni]

I'm sooooo excited!!!

[Margret, Caladan Brood Face]

I’m hoping Tyrion will be revealed as a Targaryen and join forces with what’s left of his family

[Bill]

Good stuff

[Rob]

Ah. Should've been subscribed to this thread already! My wife and I thought the episode was rather good and are looking forward to next week. Damn shame no Tully's are riding forth, but you never know. I enjoyed that it wasn't an all happy, yes now we're together and we fight traditional epic fantasy thing, but a more realistic skepticism and maneuvering.

Watched some of the actor's thoughts clips. Love hearing Iain Glenn's real scottish accent. :)

(view spoiler)[Sansa's lukewarm at best interactions with everyone was a disappointment though to be expected. I am hoping a thaw will happen rather than something self-destructive.

Jon's dragon ride was a bit odd - the fact that he has even been allowed to touch the dragons should have sent warning bells off in Dany's head - hey! does he have Targ blood!?! Or even in Jon's head. They were all raised on the stories of the dance of dragons and such and how they hunted for people of birth to try and ride dragons after all. so a bit annoying in that way, but I guess it'll be what convinces her in the end that he is telling the truth, whenever he passes the knowledge sam gave him along. (hide spoiler)]

[Narilka]

It was a good episode but not great. Seemed mostly focused on reintroducing the characters, which would be fine with a normal season. I feel a bit robbed as there are only 5 episodes left for real plot progress.

[Kathrine]

@Rob: (view spoiler)[Agree about both Sansa, and Jon's dragon ride really annoyed me. I mean, what kind of stupid risk to take, just hoping that these gigantic and super agressive predators won't eat Jon on the spot? What were they thinking??? How on earth would Daenerys have explained that to the rest of the Northeners, like "whoops, sorry, my babies ate your king"? I absolutely love dragons and people riding dragons but that was just... a bit stupid.

I get that it was necessary to show Jon having a connection with the dragons but it felt a bit rushed – the entire episode felt rushed, in my opinion. They didn't give the important moments room to breathe, like Jon and Arya reuniting and Jon learning his real parentage. I didn't really feel the impact of these moments like I had expected – they just kinda fell flat for me. (hide spoiler)]

@Narilka: Agree, seemed like this was mostly an episode setting up the rest of the season by getting characters into the right places.

[Chris]

Kathrine - (view spoiler)[

Dany - I'm sorry, good people of the North. My dragon ate your Lord.

Lyanna Mormont - He was King in the North! You killed him!

Dany - He BENT THE KNEE. He was not a KING!

(hide spoiler)]

[Anni]

Aaaahhh... I still need to wait 5 hours before the episode is available over here :/

[Kathrine]

Chris wrote: "Kathrine"

Hahaha, (view spoiler)[Dany would totally emphasize that Jon wasn't a king – she seems so hell-bent on being the one and only ruler, no matter the circumstances. I wonder how she'll react when she learns Jon technically has a bigger claim to the throne than her – will she then bend the knee? Speaking of, I loved Sam asking Jon if Daenerys would give up her crown to protect her people, like Jon did. John Bradley (actor of Sam) killed it in this episode. (hide spoiler)]

[Narilka]

@Katherine (view spoiler)[I think Dany will have a very difficult time bending the knee. And Since the dragons have accepted Jon, she might not be able to play that card to get her way. As “nice” as she is, and humanitarian about freeing the slaves, she has been known to let the dragons eat people she doesn’t like. (hide spoiler)]

I never really considered... is the show released a day later to Europe?

[Kathrine]

Narilka wrote: "@Katherine [spoilers removed]

I never really considered... is the show released a day later to Europe?"

(view spoiler)[I feel like we see – and have seen – Dany slowly developing traces of The Mad King's madness with her "kneel or burn"-attitude. I think it will become even more apparent in the next episode where I think she'll want to turn Jaime into a crispy bonfire, where the Starks and other characters (probably Brienne) will want to pardon him and let him join their course.

I do kinda hope we'll see some serious tension between Dany and the other characters, because I feel like Dany will either learn that her way is not the right... or turn into an antagonist. And I hope the dragons will side with Jon, because Jon is imo a way better leader than Dany.

I hope Dany's conversation with Sam left her feeling guilty and that it'll make her reflect on her actions. Hopefully we won't see our heroes totally divided! (hide spoiler)]

It airs the same time on HBO all over the world, I think? But for Europeans (at least in my time zone) that means it airs at 3 am on Monday instead of 9 pm on Sunday. But it might air later on other places than HBO?

[Siobhan]

Narilka wrote: "It was a good episode but not great. Seemed mostly focused on reintroducing the characters, which would be fine with a normal season. I feel a bit robbed as there are only 5 episodes left for real ..."

My thoughts exactly!! I was expecting more.

[Jessica]

I am so excited that this thread exists! (Should've known there would be one though lol, didn't even cross my mind)

@Narilka and Siobhan I totally agree. Definitely felt robbed by the minimal progress. I don't think I learned anything new in that episode. It was just an episode to remind us that there are still people alive and doing things.

I feel like I was and I wasn't expecting more. Ever since the show ran out of books it seems to be more about that classic Hollywood blockbuster look and less about a well thought out, meticulous plot.

(view spoiler)[One glaring example was the whole bit with Sam. We got an epic neverending, pointless dragon flying scene, but when it came to Sam finding out about his parents/telling Jon the truth it was super rushed. Why did Jon need to know right that second?! It felt like the only reason they did that was because they ran out of time after all the fluff. (hide spoiler)]

And I agree with you guys about Sansa, but wasn't really surprised by her prickliness. (view spoiler)[She's been in charge for a while now and telling everyone that Jon was the King. Then Jon comes back with Dany and intentionally/unintentionally ruins everything. Basically guaranteeing that there wouldn't (and maybe never) be a true King in the North. I'd probably be pretty bitter too. Though she's always been bitter... lol (hide spoiler)]

[Charlie]

I think I'm in the minority here but I freaking loved it. I know not much actually happened and it was essentially 40 mins of here are the characters, but I was okay with that.

It felt like when you've been reading a long book series and the characters have been spread out over time and space and they finally all come together in one place. Pretty much everyone (view spoiler)[ congregated in Winterfell and I actually cheered at the arrival of each new character. I have no idea how they're going to finish it in just 5 episodes though, I'm scared to watch! (hide spoiler)]

[Rob]

Charlie wrote: "I think I'm in the minority here but I freaking loved it. I know not much actually happened and it was essentially 40 mins of here are the characters, but I was okay with that.

It felt like when y..."

No, you're not alone. I really enjoyed it as well. An episode like this was absolutely necessary before the jump into longer/more fraught episodes. Can't get this show off my mind this week (or off my facebook feed for that matter). Need to see the next one. In the meantime, we've been watching The Good Fight's most recent season which of course includes Rose Leslie as one of the main characters. It's pretty awesome too :)

The Bronn plotline has me the most worried. Does he lurk and shoot when we least expect it? Does he play at turning sides (and then kill Tyrion and Jamie (using friendly fire as a cover?) they've dealt with the white walkers) does he honestly turn sides? Hoping for the latter.

[Saar The Book owl]

Margret wrote: "I’m hoping Tyrion will be revealed as a Targaryen and join forces with what’s left of his family"

For some bizarre reason I see Tyrion on the throne...Haven't read the spoilers yet, but will watch the episode this evening. I think it is normal that there is nothing revealed in the first episode. It's a recap on what had happened last season. I think it will take a slow pace as it is the last season.
My collegue at work said that there isn't going to be a new series about the book 'Fire and blood', but there will be a new series about the era before the Targaryens.

[Charlie]

I love The Good Fight! I watched season 1 recently and thoroughly enjoyed it.

RE Bronn: i remember way back when, Tyrion said something to him like 'if anyone tries to turn you against me, come to me and i'll double their offer', I'm hoping that that idea, combined with the fact that Bronn is sort of friends with with Jamie and Tyrion, will save them.

I actually think that Tyrion would genuinely make an excellent king. He's crazy smart and actually a decent human being. If he's the only one left, I'd be okay with that.

[Saar The Book owl]

@Charlie: Tyrion said that in the last episode of season 7, before they were meeting Cersei to negotiate.
I'd be okay with that too. He would do great on the throne.

[jess]

Tagging this though I havent started this season yet

[Rob]

Episode 2: Despite two interruptions in mid-episode by the kids, we got through it. Really loved the episode (view spoiler)[ - nice to have one last night with all our old friends to the realization of course - don't want any of them to die, but some of them will. So rather than most likely to die, I have a list in mind of characters I least cared if they weren't in the show since they have a little to no role beyond the scope of the upcoming battle to come. . :) (Sorry Ed, Beric, Tormund, Greyworm. Kinda suspect Jorah will die, but it'd be nice if he was able to return that sword to sam) Also noting Bronn didn't make it to Winterfell which means he's going to make it after it is all done which increases the odds he's going to do something for gold and riches rather than friendship. Eep. Arya/Gendy as a thing confirmed is good too :) In retrospect, I guess that was the most likely last night together. Hoping Sansas/Theon isn't anything more than a brotherly/sisterly thing, but who knows. Just occurred to me that Melisandre is a wildcard for next episode too. Bronn technically is, but I don't see it as easily as Melisandre. (hide spoiler)]

[Jessica]

Rob wrote: "Episode 2: Despite two interruptions in mid-episode by the kids, we got through it. Really loved the episode [spoilers removed]"

I definitely liked this episode better than the first one.

(view spoiler)[I'm extra curious now about Bronn and Melisandre also. Hoping that Bronn makes it until the end. I don't totally care about whether Melisandre makes it or not but I am super curious about when/where she'll appear and what she'll do. She really is the wildcard of the bunch. (hide spoiler)]

Overall thoughts on Episode 2: (view spoiler)[Dany is really starting to annoy me, I hope she doesn't end up being Queen and I don't really want John Snow to be the king either. Though it seems like that's where things are going. I feel like John is way to idealistic (like Ned) and Dany (despite all her good deeds) is epic power hungry. Tyrion or even Sansa seem like they have the good of the country and the people in mind more than the others.

I'm also really liking how Sansa's character is turning out. She's suspicious but she also doesn't take any crap and honestly seems to have her people's interests at heart. I'll be super disspointed if her relationship with Theon turns into more than a brother/sister thing. Though their reunion was the first time that I've gotten teary this season. (hide spoiler)]

[Siobhan]

Episode 2 - My favourite part was (view spoiler)[Jaime knighting Brienne! I teared up at that. Such a lovely scene.

Also, Davos for the Iron Throne! :D

In seriousness though, I'd also be happy if Tyrion outlives the lot of them. (hide spoiler)]

[Chris]

Loving the season so far, but...

(view spoiler)[With all these reunions, why haven't we gotten one with Sansa and Sandor? That would be so great....Would love her to hug him like she did Theon lol.

And where the fuck is Ghost? (hide spoiler)]

[Siobhan]

Chris wrote: "Loving the season so far, but...."

(view spoiler)[Ghost was there! When Jon and Sam etc. were just standing around talking on the wall he was with them.

I thought it was weird he wasn't there last week. Makes you think you're forgetting something about the story. (hide spoiler)]

[Chris]

How did I miss that? Guess I need to watch again.

[Kathrine]

Episode 2 was absolutely amazing – like among my top 10 GoT episodes ever. They managed to recapture that Game of Thrones feeling from s1–4 that I feel has been missing these past few seasons.

(view spoiler)[The writing was so much better than last week and I felt like this episode carried a lot more weight than last week's. Just the moment where Jaime knights Brienne carried more weight than the entire last episode, in my opinion. They gave the important moments time to breathe and "land" with the viewers, and the music was a lot more present to complete those moments. The episode also felt a lot more "together" instead of just a series of character interactions, like last week's ep.

This episode reminded me why I care so much about the show and these characters. It was the perfect setup for next week's slaughter. And Pod singing "Jenny of Oldtown" nearly had me in tears. I've had the Florence + the Machine version of it on repeat the last hour. (hide spoiler)]

Anyone got any theories on who'll die? I have a few: (view spoiler)[I think with Brienne finally knighted, she'll probably go – as much as I love her :( Theon's arc seems complete as well, so I think he'll die too. With how Grey Worm and Missandei were talking about Naath, I think they probably won't make it either. (hide spoiler)] God I'm gonna cry so much next week.

[Rob]

My theories!

I suspect Ed and Beric Dondarrion are high-risk candidates to die. Theon is taking a prime spot to be dead. Since he can't have kids and his sister has the Iron Islands and wants to defend Winterfell.....Pod and Brienne are at high risk too. Random theory Pod dies defending Brienne and is knighted before he dies.

I love Jorah and Jamie and don't want either to die, but I suspect both will die before the series ends but think their plotlines warrant something after the fight with the White Walkers. I guess there is a chance Jorah could die in a scenario where a dragon gets injured and he protects Dany then. Makes more sense to me that he would give Sam back heartsbane (after John or Dany name him Warden of the South). I think the brothers have to live to deal with bronn and cersei.

Clegane has to live to deal with Gregor.

Tormund doesn't have much of a plotline after the White Walkers though I have this idea in my head that somehow he becomes the new lord of Hearth's Home/Umbers.

We haven't seen much of Varys, but I think he might be integral to the Kings Landing plot after the White Walkers.

I'd be very surprised if any of the Starks die in the next episode. I can see one Rheago getting injured and Ghost coming to save him and maybe a passing of the torch from stark to targ going on?

[Kathrine]

Rob wrote: "My theories!

I suspect Ed and Beric Dondarrion are high-risk candidates to die. Theon is taking a prime spot to be dead. Since he can't have kids and his sister has the Iron Islands and wants to d..."

Re: Jaime: (view spoiler)[I think Jaime will kill Cersei before he dies. Tyrion saying that "at least cersei won't kill me now" made me think that Cersei will kill Tyrion, and then Jaime will kill Cersei as revenge, thus fulfilling his redemption arc (and also the Valonqar prophecy from the books) (hide spoiler)]

Pretty much agree with the rest

[Anni]

Great theories :) I just watched episode 2 and I liked it so much more than episode 1!
(view spoiler)[ All the characters coming together for one last night was awesome! I agree with all points, Brienne becoming a knight was such a great scene, loved it! And Arya and Gendry becoming a thing was about time, I too hope Sansa and Theon were just happy to see each other after everything they went through.

Seriously, Dany became annoying and I never much liked Jon... I guess they are the most likely candidates for the Iron Throne... I really hope there will be a twist and someone else became king/queen! I would totally support Davos 😂 Love him!
Maybe the ending will be completely different? It would be somehow really funny if the white wanderers would just slaughter everyone and take the Throne, wouldn't be the ending I would wish for, but I would love to see the shitstorm :D
I think an outcome, I might like would be if they would all come together, after defeating the night king and destroy the iron throne and that the duchies will become separate kingdoms again... But I guess most of them are way too stubborn for that :D (hide spoiler)]

[Siobhan]

Sir Anni wrote: "Great theories :) I just watched episode 2 and I liked it so much more than episode 1!

Yayyy for the Davos love! 😅❤️

[Rob]

I am actually baffled by what Davos will even do during the battle and where he'll be stationed (well along with Sam).

I think I need to rewatch this episode just prior to the next one to build up the drama :)

[Narilka]

Loved episode 2! So much better than last week.

(view spoiler)[Brienne being knighted was easily my favorite scene of the night though there was so much to love.

I'm tired of Dany. She's power mad and needs to be taken down a peg. I hope she doesn't end up on the iron throne. I don't think Jon would be a good king either.

About Ghost. It's really hard to animate dogs. We know what they look like and how they should move so if the animators get it wrong even slightly, everyone notices. They probably shouldn't have included them after the first couple seasons. Or just spend the money to film real wolves and then alter them in post production. Seems they spent the money on dragons and white walkers instead.

So next week I have a bad feeling will resolve the white walker threat one way or the other. Does anyone have any theories on who the Night King is? Was he from one of the great houses originally? Have there been any hints I dont remember? (hide spoiler)]

[Rob]

Book version of the Night's King (who has not actually appeared in the books at all. Only been mentioned as part of Westeros history/mythology)

"According to legend, Night's King lived during the Age of Heroes, not long after the Wall was complete. He was a fearless warrior named the thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Later, he fell in love with a woman "with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars". He chased her and loved her though "her skin was cold as ice", and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well. Night's King brought her back to the Nightfort and after the unholy union, he declared himself king and her his queen, and ruled the Nightfort as his own castle for thirteen years.[1]

During the dark years of his reign, horrific atrocities were committed, of which tales are still told in the north. It was not until Brandon the Breaker, the King of Winter, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed.[2] After his fall, when it was discovered that Night's King had been making sacrifices to the Others, all records of him were destroyed and his very name was forbidden and forgotten.[1] It is likely this led the lords of the north to forbid the Night's Watch to construct walls at their keeps, ensuring the keeps would always be accessible from the south.

Maesters are skeptical of the legend, thinking the Night's King's corpse queen was possibly a daughter of a Barrow King from the barrowlands.[2] Some fan theories link her with the Others because of her description."

[Charlie]

I thoughts episode 2 was great. (view spoiler)[ It was another episode where not much happened and there was a lot of talking but I really loved that. I enjoy all the character development.

Highlights for me:

Jamie knighting Brienne. This was super emotional. I cheered and cried an little, it gave me lots of feels.

Tyrion, Jamie, Brienne, Tormund, Davos etc around the hearth, talking, singing, bonding. It was a lovely moment.

I'm honestly not sure how they're going to wrap this story up in 4 episodes. Lets say the battle with the white walkers takes 2-3 episodes. That leaves only 1-2 episodes to sort of the mess of the seven kingdoms, defeat Cersei etc. Considering there's been over half a dozen seasons devoted to civil war in Westeros, I just don't see how they can sort it all out in an hour or two. I see two possible outcomes. 1. The knight king kills them all, problem solved. 2. Dany destroys the world with her dragons and essentially becomes her father.

Neither seem great outcomes! (hide spoiler)]

[Kathrine]

Charlie wrote: "I thoughts episode 2 was great. It was another episode where not much happened and there was a lot of talking but I really loved that. I enjoy all the character development.

Highlights for me..."

About wrapping up the story: (view spoiler)[What I hope will happen is that the White Walker and Cersei story line will be resolved at the same time. There's a theory floating around that the Night King and a big part of his army is not gonna be at the battle of Winterfell next week, but instead will be on their way to/at King's Landing. Then they'll take the capital, make Cersei a wight (a Night Queen) and then the final battle will both be defeating the NK and Cersei. That would be a twist I'd like – I'll be pretty disappointed if they resolve the White Walker story next week..... (hide spoiler)]

[Charlie]

@Kathrine

That's a great theory! I hope that's the case!

[Rob]

Kathrine wrote: "Charlie wrote: "I thoughts episode 2 was great. It was another episode where not much happened and there was a lot of talking but I really loved that. I enjoy all the character development.

Highl..."

Interesting! Definitely, an angle I didn't think about except....(view spoiler)[where'd they get the boats and have the time to make that trip? I like the Night's King on a dragon aspect of making it happen, but have a hard time of how the rest would do an end-around to get there. (Of course, the show has thrown all the distance and time-related stuff of the books out the window before though) (hide spoiler)]

[Narilka]

@Rob Thanks for the book quote. I wonder if the show is going to keep that.

@Katherine That would be so amazing! Great theory!!

[Jenna, I'd be free if not for Temper & Edgewalker]

Just finished episode 2! I loved reading all the theories. I especially love the (view spoiler)[Cersei as Night Queen theory. That would be cool. (hide spoiler)]

Honestly, at this point (view spoiler)[Dany is super annoying, Jon would make a terrible king, Cersei is already the worst - can they just destroy the iron throne in the end? (hide spoiler)]

[Jenna, I'd be free if not for Temper & Edgewalker]

I could also get behind the Onion King.

[Rob]

Jenna wrote: "I could also get behind the Onion King."

Sounds more like he starts his own franchise restaurant? I'd dine there and pledge fealty.

[Anni]

Jenna wrote: "I could also get behind the Onion King."

😂❤️

[Siobhan]

Jenna wrote: "I could also get behind the Onion King."

Yassss!! 🙌

[Kathrine]

Jenna wrote: "I could also get behind the Onion King."

Man, I never knew I wanted this so much. Davos would be the best king!

[Siobhan]

Thank you!! I'm so happy you all believe in King Davos! 😅😍

[Jessica]

Holy moly that was an intense epic episode!!!!!! Can't wait to hear your guys thoughts. (view spoiler)[I definitely felt like it made up for the previous two episodes. Not really much of anything happened and then BAM everything happened. Very fun.
The biggest disappointment (for me) was with Dany (and overall I don't like most of her choices, so I wasn't surprised that she bummed me out). She should've been paying attention to the war around her instead of mooning after Jon. I know she was worried about him, but it's the war to end all wars, gotta keep killing. No time for regrets/worries.
I enjoyed everything else though. Still need some time to digest everything that happened... still reeling a bit I think. Also, F**K yeah Arya! Did not see that coming at all. Also found the idea of Beric being alive solely to help save Arya and thus destroy (we think??) the White Walkers. Didn't see that coming either. (hide spoiler)]

[Chris]

Im still processing