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Barbie Curtice | 1 comments Happy Birthday!

In honor of one of the greatest author ever live born today on 1890, why not read one of his stories tonight.

If there is a story you want to read but do not have it. Try this website.

http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/...


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Scott Ferry | 42 comments Barbie wrote: "Happy Birthday!

In honor of one of the greatest author ever live born today on 1890, why not read one of his stories tonight.

If there is a story you want to read but do not have it. Try this..."


Thanks for the link suggestion!


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Scott Ferry | 42 comments Found this H.P. Lovecraft biography on youtube (just audio)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WC3yA...


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Gary (gary_o) | 1 comments In honor of HPL's birthday, for my brand new Kindle 2 I got "The Definitive H.P. Lovecraft: 67 Tales of Horror", his collected works, for all of 99 cents!


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Charles (tonalized) | 3 comments Scott wrote: "Found this H.P. Lovecraft biography on youtube (just audio)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WC3yA..."

Thanks for the link. The vids are kinda slow loading, but I'm thoroughly enjoying them.


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Don Webb (DonWebb) | 11 comments Dear Friends,

I answered a letter from a young fan, who assumed that since I write Lovecraftian fiction and I am a senior member of a magical order that includes Lovecraftian magic among its repertoire that I A) thought that Lovecraft was the greatest writer ever and B) thought the Mythos was "real" and that Lovecraft was a mystic master.

I wrote a brief reply to this, and I figured that for various reasons you may also have to write such a letter, I decided to share this with you. I realize it is a gross over-simplification. For those of you who are not magicians the "Lovecraft was the secert master" crap must be very old.

Best,

Don

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Dear X,

Howard Phillip Lovecraft was a New England writer. His dad died in the
nuthouse from syphilis. His mom died in the nuthouse. His mom discouraged
him from playing with other kids because he was too ugly and might scare
them. His grandfather encouraged him to read and make up stories. The
family library had a vast store of eighteenth century literature.
Grandfather died and the family got very poor.

Lovecraft went deep inside himself. His night-side was tuned into dreams
and legends. His day-side was tuned into reason and logic. His self-image
was of an 18th century Anglo-American gentleman of leisure.

He wrote a great deal of very bad verse. He wrote huge letters to his
friends. And at the urging of fellow amateurs writers he wrote
SF/Fantasy/Horror.

Not surprisingly it read like 18th century prose. It was dominated by
dreams and raw physic images It reflected:

1. A belief that humans weren't the center of the universe (and therefore maybe not the most interesting things in it)
2. That the universe is very, very old and drama could stretch for
trillions of years
3. There is no God
4. Weirdness runs though family lines
5. religion is a joke on mankind
6. certain humans can break the bounds of culture and time becoming
immortal and not subject to moral or physical laws
7. Wonder and terror are more interesting than love, greed or anger
8. The book is a willful character -- grimoires don't just set there
9. the establishment strives to keep people from knowing the above items
(and it should because humans are string to know these things)
10. There are good sane people in nuthouses


This made his fiction very much at odds with either his literary
contemporaries (the lost geneartion) as well as fellow pulp-writers (Seabury
Quinn).

The Lost Generation:
http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/Depa...

Seabury Quinn
http://www.redjacketpress.com/authors...


Lovecraft ran a revision business. So he helped people who wanted to be
published by re-writing their prose. He added freely his ideas. So various
Lovecraftian notions (such as his arch-grimorire the _Necronomicon_)
suddenly started appearing up all over the place.

Since most magicians believe the first nine ideas (more-or-less), and since
the dream images from the stories are plug-and-play (You will dream things
from his stories) -- he had a big effect on 20th contrary magic. Some
effect comes from literalists like Kenneth Grant = "Lovecraft was a
magician. His wife once dated a cousin of Aleister Crowley." Other comes
from less literal thinkers that were looking for metaphors for the world
(For example see _The Morning of the Magicians_).

His effect on writers of horror is huge. Lovecraftian derived fiction was
written by Borges, Stephan King, Ligotti, Ramsey Campbell, Joe Lansdale, and
dozens of others.
There are a two or three role playing games, scads of movies, TV shows, you
name it.

A few helpful links:

The Cult of Lovecraft
http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/...

The inevitvale wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lo...

A phenomonological appraoch by me
http://www.sflit.com/novaexpress/14/l...

The starter info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_...\

Cthulhu is no more (or less) real than Odhin, Zeus, Satan, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Myth is a useful tool for making changes in the subjective universe. Magis is the art of chagning the subjective universe to cause a change in the objective universe. It has less effect (in the movie sense) and more effect (in the philosopical sense) than you probably know.For a sane "I know a myth when I see one" apprpaoch to Lovecraftian magic, I highly recommend reading Dr. Aquino's accounts of his creation of the two Lovecraftian rites for "The Satanic Rituals", as well as his article to _Nyctalops_ magazine several years later describe more of the same. The relevant articles are in appendices 71-74 in his Church of Satan history at:

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf



I think that there are actually about six "Necronomicons" now: Simon, Turner, Ripel, Tyson, "Atlantean" and a Spanish or Portugese one. Aside from Giger's art book and that prop one, I mean.


The Simon Necromoicon is only marginally associated with Lovecraft directly but was a product of a rather Lovecraftian hoax centered in NYC. For details and a bit of disinformation on that scene check out

The Doom That Came from Chelsea by Alan Cabal (http://www.nypress.com/article-7663-t...)

Thelema Now Podcast: Larry Kirkwin interview (http://media.libsyn.com/media/wuelf20...)

Thelema Now Podcast: Peter Levanda (a.k.a. "Simon") Interview (http://media.libsyn.com/media/wuelf20...)


Very early on some occutlists tried bringing Lovecraftian imagery into religion. I think the first was a guy named Doreal in the 1930s. He took Frnak Belknap Long's "The Hounds of Tindalos" and made it inot part of his "translation" of the Emerlad Tablets of Hermes.

Doreal:

http://www.answers.com/topic/maurice-...

From his "translation"

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald8bw...




Best,

Don Webb


message 7: by Jeff (new)

Jeff Miller | 1 comments Don,

Great writeup.

Also, thank you for the links.


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