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message 1: by Clare (last edited Dec 04, 2018 01:10AM) (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
The Conference of Parties to the Rio Treaty, now in its 24th year.

Sir David Attenborough takes the 'People's Seat' and warns that we have to face the greatest threat to our civilisation and existence that has ever been known.
Schoolchildren refuse to attend school in order to attend the summit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-envi...

https://www.theguardian.com/environme...

"The collapse of civilisation and the natural world is on the horizon, Sir David Attenborough has told the UN climate change summit in Poland.

The naturalist was chosen to represent the world’s people in addressing delegates of almost 200 nations who are in Katowice to negotiate how to turn pledges made in the 2015 Paris climate deal into reality.

As part of the UN’s people’s seat initiative, messages were gathered from all over the world to inform Attenborough’s address on Monday. “Right now we are facing a manmade disaster of global scale, our greatest threat in thousands of years: climate change,” he said. “If we don’t take action, the collapse of our civilisations and the extinction of much of the natural world is on the horizon.” "

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/03/672893...

NPR has some podcasts and you may find one on this issue.


message 2: by Clare (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
But Poland, a coal mining nation, filled the halls with actual coal.
https://earther.gizmodo.com/poland-li...


message 3: by Robert (new)

Robert Zwilling | 2038 comments Coal is expected to still be mined in 2050 when alternative energy sources are expected to exceed petroleum powered electric plants.


message 4: by Clare (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
Coal, being highly compressed, is a very good, dense way for the planet to store carbon.
We're throwing it all back into the air.


message 5: by Clare (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
"On Thursday, a new milestone was reached. A coalition of environmental groups who monitor divestment released a report at the Poland climate talks showing that the number of groups pulling their money out of fossil fuels had reached 1,000. Together, these groups manage nearly $8 trillion worth of funds. "

https://earther.gizmodo.com/1-000-org...


message 6: by Clare (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
At COP:
"And then came Monday when the U.S. played the role of global troll by hosting a pro-fossil fuel event with an audience largely made-up of protestors.
The event had an anodyne name: U.S. Innovative Technologies Spur Economic Dynamism, but a more apt name would’ve been “The U.S. Loves Fossil Fuels, Please Keep Burning Them.”"
https://earther.gizmodo.com/protestor...


message 7: by Clare (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
"Mayors And Governors Rebut Trump Administration Position At Climate Summit

"Under Peduto, Pittsburgh has pledged to transition its city government's energy use to entirely renewable sources by 2030, and decrease its overall energy use by half. The first report on the city's progress will come in 2020. Pittsburgh has made some progress decreasing air pollution from industrial sources and vehicle emissions.
"There are more than federal governments at stake now, and the subnational level is really where it's going to get implemented anyway," he says. "It's really nice when nations sign documents, but what it really comes down to is what we do in our own neighborhoods and what we do in our own cities."
In his opening remarks at the United Nations climate meeting, U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres echoed that sentiment.
"Most of the more important decisions that are taken in the country are no longer taken at the government level," he told assembled national representatives, "
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/676001...


message 8: by Clare (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
So, what was agreed, what was not agreed?

https://www.theguardian.com/environme...


message 9: by Clare (new)

Clare O'Beara | 6204 comments Mod
A brave young lady tells the COP negotiators to get on with it and make real change for her generation.
Change is coming, she says. Whether they like it or not.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/16/wo...


message 10: by Robert (new)

Robert Zwilling | 2038 comments People are forgetting that we have all agreed to monetize the value of everything and to make people responsible for protecting those values. This means if you want to change something immediately it has to be paid for and it has to immediately fill all the requirements of what it is replacing.

Basically in order for everyone to agree on something they once again agreed to actually do very little to accommodate everyone's objections to immediately start making substantial changes because there is no money to pay for it.

France demonstrated how people are not ready to pay out of pocket expenses for a program where the majority of the money is not used for environmental purposes and especially where it doesn't benefit them directly. Having green programs the well off can afford will change very little because they are a minority. Green programs that expect ordinary people to make sacrifices while businesses are exempted from expensive changes are also not going to create substantial changes. The same logic can be used to explain the rift between developed nations and underdeveloped nations.

Meanwhile the storms just keep on coming, each one somehow worse than the last one. And the weather related refugee population, who it was originally thought would be created by slowly rising sea levels in the future, people who become refugees in their own country, is growing every week from temporary increases in water levels caused by the storms. They needed help yesterday, and they still need it it today.

The question of rebuilding in areas that keep getting hit still has no practical answers as the size of those areas keep increasing, nor the way to rebuild if those areas are rebuilt. I don't know if stilts will work in powerful storms and I don't know if low to the ground concrete bunkers will work in floods. I could see the stilts still standing after a weather related event but the rest of the structure gone, especially anywhere the original construction was just lifted off the ground.


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