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Lance Morcan | 2472 comments Excerpt from The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy:


On August 4, 1964, President Lyndon Johnson alerted his fellow Americans on national television that North Vietnam had attacked the American destroyer USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin.

Not long after, Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave Johnson the green light to begin military operations against North Vietnam. American troops were soon stationed in Vietnam and neighboring countries, and the war that would dominate an era began.

However, President Johnson and his Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, successfully hoodwinked the American people because North Vietnam never attacked the USS Maddox as the Pentagon had claimed, and the so-called unequivocal evidence of a second attack by the North Vietnamese is now commonly acknowledged as being a false report.

A National Security Agency (NSA) report on the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, declassified in 2005, concluded that USS Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, 1964, but (and this is a big but) “The Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.”

Regarding the all-important second attack on August 4 – which effectively caused the Vietnam War – the NSA report concluded there were no North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the entire incident: “It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night.”

If an organization as biased as the NSA says no attack ever happened then it seems very safe to say the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was nothing but a phantom attack on the US Military. It was carefully crafted propaganda devised to manufacture consent for all-out war.

In this instance that propaganda ended up costing approximately 60,000 American lives and three million Vietnamese lives.


"Factual reporting is all too often propaganda designed to provoke certain reactions from the masses" –The Orphan Factory


The Orphan Conspiracies 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy by James Morcan


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Mikhayla Gracey | 270 comments There should be a lesson in all of this. How do we know if we can trust our President to tell the truth?


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James Morcan | 10079 comments History proves, we cannot trust any President or Prime Minister of any nation.


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Cosmic Arcata | 45 comments It is interesting how we point the finger at different dictators because of their acts of genocide and yet we are dripping in blood!


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Mikhayla Gracey | 270 comments I have asked the question out loud, "Who do I trust?" Trust is something that has to be earned, and it requires time and experience. Leaders should only be followed if they can be trusted. That's a pretty tall order in a world where we barely know one another.


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Jim (jimliedeka) | 593 comments It's even harder when we change leadership every four or eight years. Not that I would change that, I don't want a dictator for life.

Does the Gulf of Tonkin count as a false flag if nothing actually happened? Where I come from, we just call that a lie.


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James Morcan | 10079 comments Jim wrote: "Does the Gulf of Tonkin count as a false flag if nothing actually..."

Yeah, Gulf of Tonkin one of history's most famous false flags.
Basically any act of war (or claimed act of war) or a terrorist event that gets blamed on other innocent parties and sparks a real war is a false flag.


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David Elkin | 501 comments Jim is dead on spot with this. A very sad day in American History. Nice coverage (pretty fair as well) here:

http://www.historynet.com/case-closed...


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David Elkin | 501 comments However, it looks like cover up after the mis-informed decision.


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James Morcan | 10079 comments Gulf of Tonkin Incident 1964 Pretext for the Vietnam War http://www.truthmove.org/content/gulf...

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a pair of alleged attacks by North Vietnamese gunboats on two American destroyers in August of 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The incident was utilized by the Johnson Administration to publicly justify and escalate military operations in the region. Later research, including a report released in 2005 by the National Security Agency, indicates that the second attack did not occur.

Whether or not the North Vietnamese shot at U.S. destroyers, this incident was utilized by the administration to strategically initiate the public into a war that was in its fifth year of secret and illegal support of the South Vietnamese military. The incident would likely have been just another secret occurrence in that covert operation if the Administration had not been seeking a method of gaining public support for a war that was being escalated and could not be covert much longer.

The U.S. certainly initiated the incident by violating North Vietnamese territorial waters, drawing a defensive response that was called the first “attack”. The second attack did not occur. It was manufactured and then fed to the media as a compelling story of U.S. victims, and our ruthless Cold-War adversaries in North Vietnam. The public was not informed of our five-year secret war in Southeast Asia until the release of the Pentagon Papers in 1971. In recent years the incident has been recast as incompetence, intelligence failure, and poor inter-agency communication. Sound familiar?

Evidence

Daniel Ellsberg, who was on duty in the Pentagon that night receiving messages from the ship, reports that the ships were on a secret mission, codenamed DeSoto Patrols, inside North Vietnamese territorial waters. Their purpose was to provoke the North Vietnamese into turning on their coastal defense radar so they could be plotted. This constitutes an act of war by the United States against North Vietnam. 1

Squadron commander James Stockdale was one of the U.S. pilots flying overhead August 4th In the 1990’s Stockdale stated: “[I] had the best seat in the house to watch that event, and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets — there were no PT boats there… There was nothing there but black water and American fire power.” 1

In 1995, retired Vietnamese General Nguyen Giap meeting with former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, categorically denied that Vietnamese gunboats had attacked American destroyers. A taped conversation was released in 2001 of a meeting several weeks after passage of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, revealing that Robert McNamara expressed doubts to President Johnson that the attack had even occurred.

http://www.truthmove.org/content/gulf...


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James Morcan | 10079 comments The springboard into the Vietnam war was the False Flag Gulf of Tonkin Incident (as admitted in NSA declassified documents) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxwow...


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Lance Morcan | 2472 comments Vietnam War and Yemen False Flags. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident vs. The Alleged Missile Attack on USS Mason off the Coast of Yemen http://www.globalresearch.ca/vietnam-...

Excerpt:

"Some may remember the Vietnam War, where the US entered a civil war on the other side of the globe, based on an alleged “attack” by North Vietnam on a US navy ship. There was never any sighting of the attacker, there was never any damage by the attack, and we know now, years later, that there was never any such attack. Sound familiar? It all was due to false readings and ghost images on radar screens. The alleged attack took place in the Gulf of Tonkin. Quickly the US Congress, rushed to get involved in Vietnam’s civil war by seeking revenge for an attack that never happened. It passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which authorized the US president to get revenge. America’s entry into the Vietnam civil war lasted 10 years, and cost the lives of approximately 55,000 US soldiers, and about 3 million Southeast Asians. That’s correct 3 million lives! We attacked this past week with no discussion, debate, or consent by Congress. Like the cowards they are, Congress never said a word, but stuck their heads deep in the sand. The President, now has the power to do such things, and the Constitution in that regard is irrelevant."


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James Morcan | 10079 comments David wrote: "However, it looks like cover up after the mis-informed decision."

That's not a fair assessment, Dave (sorry). We must not whitewash this very important piece of history for patriotic reasons or any other reasons.

The Vietnam War, via the Gulf of Tonkin sham, was consciously orchestrated by the warmongers in the U.S. as per the aforementioned NSA report from that era (declassified in 2005). That document reveals that even tho it was widely reported the North Vietnamese attacked, the Johnson administration were fully aware that not only the USS Maddox was never fired upon, but also that there never was ANY North Vietnamese Navy on the scene of the Gulf of Tonkin (in other words, seagulls were more of an enemy to the US on that day!). In the NSA's own words: “It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night.”

The lie of the Gulf of Tonkin led to the deaths of 60,000 American soldiers and 3,000,000+ North Vietnamese.


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James Morcan | 10079 comments NSA.gov (declassified reports on the Gulf of Tonkin) https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/dec...

New York Times: Vietnam War Intelligence 'Deliberately Skewed,' Secret Study Says http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/02/pol...

The Truth About Tonkin | U.S. Naval Institute https://www.usni.org/magazines/navalh...

"Questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents have persisted for more than 40 years. But once-classified documents and tapes released in the past several years, combined with previously uncovered facts, make clear that high government officials distorted facts and deceived the American public about events that led to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War." -U.S. Naval Institute


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James Morcan | 10079 comments Conspiracy FACT #8: The Gulf of Tonkin Incident https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzkGI...


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James Morcan | 10079 comments Vietnam, Gulf of Tonkin Lie & CIAs Operation Phoenix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QepNf...

YouTube video description:
The Vietnam War started secretly off the books, like so many of these ventures that have ended disastrously. The CIA got there early, soon after the Vietnamese won their independence from the French in 1954.
President Lyndon Johnson: It is my duty to the American people to report that renewed hostile actions against United States ships on the high seas in the Gulf of Tonkin have today required me to order the military forces of the United States, to take action and reply.
Moyers: This President was not telling the truth either. The action at the Gulf of Tonkin was not unprovoked. South Vietnam had been conducting secret raids in the area against the North and the American destroyer, ordered into the battle zone, had advanced warning it could be attacked. But Johnson seized the incident to stampede Congress into passing the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. He then used it as a blank check for the massive buildup of American forces.


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James Morcan | 10079 comments This one not related to the false flag (Tonkin) that began the war, but still...

McNamara's Folly: The Use of Low-IQ Troops in the Vietnam War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J2Vw...


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James Morcan | 10079 comments Not a bad Letter to the Editor (although they missed out the fact that over 3 million Vietnamese also died in the conflict due to President Johnson's lie):

OPINION
Letter: Parts of LBJ legacy that were left out https://www.northjersey.com/story/opi...

Regarding “You cannot be a JFK without having an LBJ” (Opinion, and northjersey.com, Matthew Hale column, March 17):

In this column, Seton Hall political science professor Matthew Hale extols the legislative achievements of Lyndon Johnson. Professor Hale has evidently never read the Constitution; if he had he would know that Article One Section Eight lists the areas that Congress may fund and legislate on; none of Johnson's “Great Society” programs are listed.

This apparently doesn't bother Hale one bit, as most educators are progressive small “s” socialists who love government intervention in virtually every aspect of our lives.

Speaking of interventionism, Hale also conveniently forgets Johnson's greatest legacy, the Vietnam War which as all wars was based on a lie, in this case the so-called Gulf of Tonkin incident. In the years that followed, 58,000 Americans lost their lives thanks to Johnson's deception of the American people.

Of course, it didn't end with Johnson. All the presidents since, including the current buffoon in the White House, have expanded government here at home and pursued an interventionist foreign policy abroad.

Our republic's founders wouldn't recognize the government they created were they alive today. This is why I am a Libertarian who believes that the government has way too much power at all levels, power that must be halted and reversed. Instead of Make America Great Again, the slogan should be Make America Free Again!


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James Morcan | 10079 comments The Pentagon Papers are kinda related to The Gulf of Tonkin false flag...In that they reveal earlier motivations, a decade earlier, I think...

Pentagon Papers - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentago...

The Pentagon Papers, officially titled Report of the Office of the Secretary of Defense Vietnam Task Force, is a United States Department of Defense history of the United States' political and military involvement in Vietnam from 1945 to 1967. The papers were released by Daniel Ellsberg, who had worked on the study; they were first brought to the attention of the public on the front page of The New York Times in 1971.[1][2] A 1996 article in The New York Times said that the Pentagon Papers had demonstrated, among other things, that the Johnson Administration "systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress".[3]

More specifically, the papers revealed that the U.S. had secretly enlarged the scope of its actions in the Vietnam War with the bombings of nearby Cambodia and Laos, coastal raids on North Vietnam, and Marine Corps attacks, none of which were reported in the mainstream media.[4]

For his disclosure of the Pentagon Papers, Ellsberg was initially charged with conspiracy, espionage, and theft of government property, but the charges were later dismissed after prosecutors investigating the Watergate scandal discovered that the staff members in the Nixon White House had ordered the so-called White House Plumbers to engage in unlawful efforts to discredit Ellsberg.[5][6]

In June 2011, the entirety of the Pentagon Papers was declassified and publicly released.[7][8]

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Daniel Ellsberg Explains Why He Leaked The Pentagon Papers In 1971: Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers to the press in the hope that they would help end the Vietnam War. His story is portrayed in the new film The Post.

The Post | Official Trailer [HD] | 20th Century FOX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrXlY...

The Pentagon Papers revealed that the Harry S. Truman administration gave military aid to France in its colonial war against the communist-led Viet Minh, thus directly involving the United States in Vietnam; that in 1954 Pres.


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