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I’ve been able to add different editions of the same title, but I think the review stays with original title I reviewed. I don’t remember now how to add a different edition. GR needs an instruction manual.
Yes it stays with the original. Which can be a bit confusing when looking at the new one as the review then isn’t there. I have thought I had lost reviews before when I had added another edition.
WndyJW wrote: "I’ve been able to add different editions of the same title, but I think the review stays with original title I reviewed. I don’t remember now how to add a different edition. GR needs an instruction..."A couple of times I wanted to review 2-3 different translations of the same classic but they were all linked as different editions of the same book. To do a separate review for each translation (rather than having all reviews appear under a single book), I had to list them as separate books and found out how it can be done on a Q&A thread in the GR librarian forum:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2335908-adding-two-editions-of-same-book-to-my-books
It's a bit weird procedure but it works.
Okay, thanks everyone. Good to know it's all part of the (weird) system anyway. I'll play around.
Emily wrote: "Okay, thanks everyone. Good to know it's all part of the (weird) system anyway. I'll play around."Hi Emily, now I see your initial message (I didn't realize the original query was on the previous page). Yes, it worked for me but I now remembered that the instructions are not specific enough and every time I wanted to do it, including now to test it, I'm drawing a blank. It's a multi-step process and I just finally remembered how it goes:
1. Select and shelf one edition, e.g., Fitzgerald's translation of Aeneid
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12914.The_Aeneid
2. Click 'write review' under My Activity, select shelves, and then click 'post' it (even if there is no review, you still need to read it)
3. Then go to another edition, e.g. Fagles' translation
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1681593.The_Aeneid
4. Only after step #3, it will show next to 'My activity':
Edit Paperback review · Review Paperback · Switch to Paperback
5. Do not click on 'edit' or 'switch' but on 'Review Paperback' (that's now Fagles paperback)
6. Repeat step #2 and it will show both Fitzgerald and Fagles translations/editions as separate books on your bookshelf
You can add more translations or editions following the same steps.
Phew! I am going to bookmark this one because every time I forget these multiple steps.
Vesna wrote: "Emily wrote: "Okay, thanks everyone. Good to know it's all part of the (weird) system anyway. I'll play around."Hi Emily, now I see your initial message (I didn't realize the original query was o..."
Thank you so much, Vesna! In this case I was actually aiming for the opposite, since I just wanted to review the book and not either of the translations, and wanted all my thoughts in one place. :-) I just switched my original review to the English edition (though I had to delete that I was currently reading it first). But thank you, as I'm sure I'll need those instructions at some point in the future!
Emily wrote: "Thank you so much, Vesna! In this case I was actually aiming for the opposite, since I just wanted to review the book and not either of the translations, and wanted all my thoughts in one place. :-)..."Oh, ok :-) Well, now you know what to do if you want the opposite from what you actually wanted to do this time. LOL.
Don't judge the US by Trump, judge of us by this talented, inspiring young womanhttps://youtu.be/Jp9pyMqnBzk
That was fantastic! What an amazing young woman!
She's amazing - and such poise in someone so young!
And only 22 yrs of age. She was wearing a ring Oprah gave her to commemorate today-a ring with a caged bird in memory of Maya Angelou.
Earlier on the thread we have had quite a lot of interesting discussions on keeping books, feel of books, book collections etcMy book group this month is reading a book which I think might interest some on here
"Diary of a Bookerseller" by Shaun Bythell (https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...)
Its a light-hearted non-fiction account (written as a diary) by the owner of Scotland's largest second-hand bookshop - set on a Scottish equivalent to Hay-on-Wye.
I don't like collecting books and I much prefer reading new books to second hand ones - but even I was left strongly wanting to visit a second hand bookshop (although I think I would want to want until the virus had really cleared as they tend to be very cramped).
I love any bookshop, but since I try to support authors and publishers I only buy used books from long dead writers. One of my best days was finding an excellent, chaotic bookshop on a Maine/New Brunswick border town during off-season with books like a poetry collection by Robert Service, my grandfather who grew up on then raised his family on Nova Scotia farms and was a logger in his twenties loved Robert Service, and. short story collection by Patrick White, and other such treasures.
I'm sure most authors would be pro-second hand bookshops, Wendy. They surely frequent them themselves and after all, if you discover a new author by buying second hand you'll end up supporting them sooner or later. Take me and Rachel Cusk. I borrowed one, bought two second hand, but now I've bought at least four of her books new and the newest might EVEN tempt me into buying hardcover.
I hastily wrote that post which is why it was one long rambling sentence! You’re right, Emily, used bookshops and libraries are necessary parts of the book industry. While raising kids I created my personal library with books from abes and Half-Price Books. The consolation of the empty nest is being able to finally buy books new and do my part to support writers and publishers.
The book is very interesting on the complex relationship between second hand bookshops and Abe books
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I agree, Hugh, and I'm surprised at how many new books turn up in my local second-hand bookshop - I picked up my first Ferrante there, unread, for pennies.
Second hand book stores were essential when I was a student.They were cheap and in perfect condition. Also one would find treats like the white Picador and rebel inc paperbacks
If it wasn’t for abes I wouldn’t have most of the books on my shelves. I searched every local bookshop, all 4, and could not find Beryl Bainbridge, someone told me about abes and I got two, like new books for under $8 including shipping. Many older books are only available on abes. Like Gardam, Lively, Byatt, etc.I’m adding older books with new Hugh. I just read The Queen of the Tambourine by Jane Gardam. I do love the British women writers of a certain age. I only read two newish books in Jan, the rest were Sebald, Bernhard, Patrick White. There’s a reason these older books remain important.
Gumble, can you tell us what makes the relationship between abes and used bookshops complex?
Simplistic answer at least as I understood it and remember it (this comes out over lots of entries as the year progresses): Without Abe the bookshop would hardly exist - as online sales are crucial. Abe is also easily the best way to sell rare. collectible, unusual books etc around the world rather than just hoping the right customer will randomly come across the shop.
However people tend to buy the cheapest book on Abe of the quality/edition they want, so the author's bookshop opts for some sort of match the lowest price option - but this can get skewed if other dealers list a cheap option (with the obvious temptation for the unscrupulous to manipulate this).
Another complexity/difficulty is that Abe and Amazon are (my view - rightly) demanding on customer service ratings - and given the author's bookshop is a little shambolic, they sometimes can't quickly locate books they have listed as available, so leading to delays and bad ratings.
And of course Abe has also meant people who come in the shop and see books will check the price and make sure they cannot get it cheaper elsewhere.
I don’t know how to rate a bookseller on abes, but I keep my own list of shops not to buy from no abes because their books aren’t as advertised. Hippo and Discover will call a book in Good condition Very Good for instance. I don’t usually complain because I’ve spent less than $10, but there have been a few times when the book was in terrible condition, but was rated Good or Very Good. I try to pretend that I don’t know Amazon owns abes and Book Depo. Better World Books is usually trustworthy and they’re the quickest with shipping.
Is anyone having an issue with searching books to add? I couldn’t find Minor Detail by Adania Shibli yesterday and now I can’t find Bolt from the Blue by Jeremy Cooper or The Loser by Thomas Bernhard.
Yes I had an issue as well when trying to add Malina to a thread
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It’s not my account then. I’m sure it’s a bug they’ll fix.
Paul, do you like the Yeah Yeahs? A New York band whose lead singer is from S Korea? My son told about the lead singer so I thought of you.
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs I think you mean. I saw them many years ago at The Reading festival (2003) - it was just after their first album and NME had hyped them I recall - but they were still playing in a side venue which was too small for the people who wanted to watch them. My wife and I thought we were being clever as we watched the bend before and moved forwards as others left so got right in front of the stage. We soon realised we were too old (even then) for mosh pits and retired to the back of the venue shaken and bruised (and in my wife’s case with a broken shoe).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qzcBY2s...
Metallica, System of a Down were main stage headliners that day
For some reason Good Charlotte (who I love) were put in that day - which was a big mistake as it was metal day and they are a mainstream punk act - it did not go at all well. I have never been in a bottle shower before - this clip is brief but fits my memories well
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tX8k-49...
Happy days.
We were too old for moshpits well before 2003.Gumble and I once featured - unnamed - in a NME review of a grunge concert which read (as I recall):
"As the band began, the Brixton Academy crowd were their usual schizophrenic self. At the front, the heaving moshpit went wild. While up on the balcony, two City gents in suits sat calmly typing on their laptops."
And the NME didn’t comment on the fact that the two city gents looked remarkably similar to one another?
Brilliant anecdote. Incidentally Karen O still records music, her latest was a collaboration with producer Danger Mouse (more popularly known as one half of Gnarls Barkley)
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Your memory fails you PaulThe concert was actually at London Astoria - which has that seating area upstairs.
I am trying to remember the band though.
Of course almost be definition the journalist must also have been in the seating area also
I first thought it was a Fitzcarraldo bug-the first two books I couldn’t find with Minor Detail and Bolt from the Blue, but when I couldn’t pull up The Loser I saw that it wasn’t. Do Fitzcarraldo books have enough reviews to impact the system? I’m guessing GR knows about this and we don’t have to report it.
GY - generally journalists/friends and family of the band/label bosses are situated in the upper seating areas as it gives them a good view of the band
We’re you two city gents on your laptops? It is an odd feeling to be considered old to be fans of punk bands when we don’t feel old and we were in our twenties and thirties when these bands were starting.
I like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Good Charlotte, Sex Pistols, Rage Against the Machine, what I can’t handle is noise music like Will Haven which I had the misfortune of being introduced to yesterday. Check them out on YouTube.
Of your four favourites I have not seen Rage Against The Machine live.
Graham and Paul, what were you doing "calming tapping" on your laptops during the concert? Were you writing Goodreads reviews or checking the Nikkei index?
Those aren’t my favorites, they’re just a sampling of the type of music I don’t mind. I listen to classical music, old mountain music, old Johnny Cash, bluegrass or rock-a-billy, music from the 70s or alternative music when I decide to listen to music, which is rare.
WndyJW wrote: "We’re you two city gents on your laptops? Yes
Declan wrote: "Graham and Paul, what were you doing "calming tapping" on your laptops during the concert? Were you writing Goodreads reviews or checking the Nikkei index?"
Goodreads didn't exist. I was writing up an audit of an insurer as I recall.
Just as well you like rock music because you wouldn't get away with that at a classical music concert!Of course, the word schizophrenic was completely misused in the NME review.
Well that probably wasn't the word so blame me for that.I think that is one of the reasons I don't like classical music - the unnecessary reverence, the special voice all the Classic FM presenters put on which is different to anywhere else they present.
I can understand that completely, Paul, even though I listen to a lot of classical music. But there are huge problems with the way the music is presented, both on radio and in concert. As a very ordinary person, I look around me at concerts and often feel quite at odds with the audience. On the other hand, there's the music and a lot of that appeals to me very much.
Yes it is more the culture that surrounds it - we had a primary school teacher who tried to teach us the superiority of classical music over pop (and this was in the late 70s when popular music was at a peak) and it rather backfired. One of the classic FM presenters is a friend of a friend and he always finds her classic FM voice very amusing.Of course you wouldn't catch me being snobbish about an art form, like say innovative literary fiction being superior to genre thrillers .... oh!
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e.g. if you have a review of a book then point cursor to another edition Goodreads asks if you want to "Switch to this edition" and if you do tells you "You changed your review of this book to another edition"
Surprised it doesn't show though - does it if you change edition?