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John Seymour | 1808 comments Mod
Share your thoughts and comments while reading


Fonch | 1105 comments I must confess that for me the reading of the book was a challenge, because although the author said that the book is a philosophy book i am very bad in theology, although this book has very interesting things. I like very much the impressions of this author about Victor Hugo, and Alfred de Vigny. I am beloved that Chesty had appeared in two ocassions.


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Jill A. | 640 comments Even for a native speaker trained in philosophy, this is a challenging read, few pages but densely packed and precisely reasoned. But well worth the effort, at least so far!
I'm tantalized by his statement in the foreword, "God alone has the right to be an atheist." I suppose he means that no one less than God can be sure "There is no God," only "I don't believe in/think there is a God."
His comparison/contrast of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is also fascinating, beginning with the fact that they were first lumped together by those wishing to discredit all three.


Fonch | 1105 comments Jill wrote: "Even for a native speaker trained in philosophy, this is a challenging read, few pages but densely packed and precisely reasoned. But well worth the effort, at least so far!
I'm tantalized by his s..."


For me it is one of the best part of the book. And they are three diferent religions with a different idea of God.


Manuel Alfonseca | 1382 comments Mod
As I finished with the biography of St. Catherine around mid-July, I decided to start with Brague's book immediately and finished it before the end of the month. Then I have started reading it all over again since August 1st, as I consider the book deserving of two readings. I am now again in chapter 3.


Fonch | 1105 comments Manuel wrote: "As I finished with the biography of St. Catherine around mid-July, I decided to start with Brague's book immediately and finished it before the end of the month. Then I have started reading it all ..."

Unfortunatelly i have the impression that i will not be able to read again. I have to read a lot of books this summer :-(.


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John Seymour | 1808 comments Mod
As you have all said, it is not an easy read, but worth it and worth a second read. I was originally planning to read a chapter a day and then turn to other books for the rest of each day and the rest of the month, but I just finished Chapter Two last night. I didn't really get started until the 3rd, so I think I will still finish in a week or so, which leaves plenty of time this month for a second read. Assuming work cooperates.


Fonch | 1105 comments John wrote: "As you have all said, it is not an easy read, but worth it and worth a second read. I was originally planning to read a chapter a day and then turn to other books for the rest of each day and the r..."
Well i suppose that i am not very original but i totally agree with you. It is a book dificult to read it, but i have the impression that a second reading it was very profitable.


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John Seymour | 1808 comments Mod
I apologize for my lack of participation. My time these past few weeks has been consumed in reading, writing and thinking about the current crisis in the Church.

I have been reading this month's book, although even more slowly than before. I will try to increase my participation.


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Bice (bicebeechay) | 107 comments Oh John this newest crisis is hitting me hard. Where can we see what you are writing about this?

And I am still reading Catherine of Siena! Not sure why I am struggling with it.


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John Seymour | 1808 comments Mod
Bice wrote: "Oh John this newest crisis is hitting me hard. Where can we see what you are writing about this?

And I am still reading Catherine of Siena! Not sure why I am struggling with it."


I think it is hitting everyone hard because it is, essentially, the same scandal. They put some window treatments up and a coat of paint, but they ignored the rot and the overflowing filth in the basement.

I belong to Ricochet, which gives me a platform to write on. As a member my writing is behind the paywall where it is only visible to other members, unless it is selected for promotion to the Main Feed. I had an article on this promoted last week. It can be read here: https://ricochet.com/541381/i-will-not/


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Bice (bicebeechay) | 107 comments So so agree. And analogy well written. Perhaps the homosexual aspect will finally be addressed! Will look at link.Thank you! Praying praying.


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Bice (bicebeechay) | 107 comments Good letter John. Thank you. Praying and fasting.......


Manuel Alfonseca | 1382 comments Mod
John, I was not aware of what you call "the current crisis in the Church," meaning the case against ex-cardinal McCarrick. I have read your article and the information in the Wikipedia about the case, and have a couple of questions.

Apparently there are sinners even in high places in the Church. Is that news?

Apparently, for some time there has been a tendency, in high places in the Church, to hide these cases, for different reasons. This was a mistake. But this policy has been actively rejected during the last 15 years at the least. Unavoidably, many of the previous cases are being exposed now. Are we going to rent our clothes whenever an old case surfaces?

You allow that you still don't know what to do. But the last two Popes at the least have worked against this atrocity, when it started leaking out. There are new rules and stricter actions. Shouldn't you give them some time to put them in effect and everybody, even priests, to think it over, as you yourself are doing?

Do you really think that, whatever we do, we will be able to eradicate sin completely, not from the Church, but from the people who are the Church?

Finally, I would suggest you read the last chapter in our current book of the month. Perhaps it may have something to tell you about this case.


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Bice (bicebeechay) | 107 comments Manuel yes we should rend our garments as well as our hearts! I think we all need this time of grief. There are stages in grief and I think John expressed his anger well. All I know is that this one can’t be “cured”without His people praying and fasting for sure. I may speak only for myself but I had the idea that the Abuse crisis was “handled” . This was a shock because Bishops (plural) were involved in some way. As many have stated better than I that the next Council of Bishops had better only be about this and how do we acquire the courage to do the hard work of finally “fixing” this so 5 years from now someone else will not be in the news.
Praying and fasting.......


Manuel Alfonseca | 1382 comments Mod
Bice wrote: "how do we acquire the courage to do the hard work of finally “fixing” this so 5 years from now someone else will not be in the news"

But Bice, the cases surfacing now date from twenty, forty and even fifty years ago. How can you fix it so that 5 years from now no more cases will come up?

I think you are overreacting precisely when the Church is taking these cases seriously. Notice that in the McCarrick case the question has not been addressed by the Press or in secular courts, but by the Church itself.


Mariangel | 503 comments I found this article worth reading:

http://thesestonewalls.com/gordon-mac...


Manuel Alfonseca | 1382 comments Mod
Mariangel wrote: "I found this article worth reading:

http://thesestonewalls.com/gordon-mac..."


This is a very interesting article, specially coming from Fr. Gordon Macrae, who is probably the victim of a flawed case of justice in this area.

The following address gives a summary of the case and provides many additional links:
https://www.catholicjournal.us/2016/0...


Fonch | 1105 comments John wrote: "I apologize for my lack of participation. My time these past few weeks has been consumed in reading, writing and thinking about the current crisis in the Church.

I have been reading this month's b..."


Do not worry John the first the job after the pleasure.


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John Seymour | 1808 comments Mod
Manuel wrote: "John, I was not aware of what you call "the current crisis in the Church," meaning the case against ex-cardinal McCarrick. I have read your article and the information in the Wikipedia about the ca..."

My apologies, I don't want to hijack the book discussion with this issue. I appreciate your thoughts, but will respond in the Atrium, where I should have posted my original comment.


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Bice (bicebeechay) | 107 comments My apologies. I too should have answered you via Atrium.


Fonch | 1105 comments Well the situation of the catholic church in my opinion is an universal problem, however i think that it is much better to discuss this problem in the atrium.


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Bice (bicebeechay) | 107 comments I agree Finch.


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Bice (bicebeechay) | 107 comments Oops Fonch! Hate auto correct.


Fonch | 1105 comments Bice wrote: "Oops Fonch! Hate auto correct."

Do not worry Bice i commited a lot of mistakes typewritting.


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