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message 1: by Lance (last edited Jul 18, 2018 02:50AM) (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Now that the All-Star game is over, time for the rest of the real season. I'll start with a question for our two Phillies fans. I read that now that Machado is going to the Dodgers, the Phillies now have their eyes on either Mike Moustakis or Eduardo Escobar for third base. Thoughts?


message 2: by Brina (new)

Brina | 8669 comments Mod
I say that Dodgers are in first place already and Seager is back next year. Unless as Harold says that they are going to trade Turner and resign Manny to play third, this is more expensive than Torres for Chapman.


message 3: by Harold (last edited Jul 18, 2018 04:59AM) (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Lance wrote: "Now that the All-Star game is over, time for the rest of the real season. I'll start with a question for our two Phillies fans. I read that now that Machado is going to the Dodgers, the Phillies no..." I think we stand pat and wait for next year. Escobar would be nice but at too high a price. I think we should hold on to Franco. Kingery is the guy I would trade if we could. If our #1 pick of 2018 Alex Bohm can be ready in two years we have a log jam at third and I think Kingery is the most expendable since he isn't a real shortstop. He has decent range but makes a lot of errors. JP Crawford has a small sample size but he didn't perform either. If Escobar could play short, I'd go for him. But with Machado, I'm conceding the NL flag. We could win the division with Escobar. I just hope it's with Kingery and Crawford, or a guy like pitcher Cole irvin. MY REAL preference is to wait until after the season and go all in for Machado.


message 4: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Brina wrote: "I say that Dodgers are in first place already and Seager is back next year. Unless as Harold says that they are going to trade Turner and resign Manny to play third, this is more expensive than Tor..." Mike Albrecht said it. I disagree. Manny won't sign there unless they play him at short IMO.
I still think the Phillies can get Machado next year.


message 5: by Brina (new)

Brina | 8669 comments Mod
A guy like Manny seems to only want to play in a big market. I'm guessing Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees. Harper also and I'm beginning to wonder with hosting ASG behind him that his numbers will rebound in the second half.


message 6: by Mike (new)

Mike (mike9) | 6419 comments Machado sucks defensively at short and I believe that could be a problem. We have the youngest team in the league and they don’t need to be exposed to a star player who’s going to put his needs above what’s best for the team. That could be a clubhouse changer. Kingery will eventually end up at 2nd base for the Phillies where he is a superior fielder.


message 7: by Mike (new)

Mike (mike9) | 6419 comments Brina, Philadelphia is a big market and they have money to burn. Even in 2016 when your guys won the Phillies put more money in the bank then the Cubbies.


message 8: by Mike (new)

Mike (mike9) | 6419 comments H-man, come over to the 2nd half post.


message 9: by Michael Linn (new)

Michael Linn | 11246 comments I`ve overdosed on all this Manny talk. There are lots of key deals to be made that will turn somebody into a monster winner. Manny can`t pitch!!
Mike Linn


message 10: by Mike (new)

Mike (mike9) | 6419 comments Me too Mike, unless the guy is the difference in going to the series or not then I could care less about him and would rather see a couple moves designed to help the team moving forward this year and for seasons to come.


message 11: by Harold (last edited Jul 18, 2018 05:29AM) (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Mike wrote: "Machado sucks defensively at short and I believe that could be a problem. We have the youngest team in the league and they don’t need to be exposed to a star player who’s going to put his needs abo..." His defensive WAR is 0.3 I guess that combines ss and 2nd base. I am sure he can be a decent fielder at 2nd, but I haven't seen evidence that he is an above average hitter or can get on base more than even Hernandez. We lack a big bat that will protect Hoskins and vice versa. I say go for Manny even if his defense at short isn't gold glove. I don't see anyone else available that can do the job. No one in our minor leagues is even close to ready at short. Luis Garcia is a recent Dominican signing and he is a long way away from major league ready. And I don't think Crawford will ever be a hitter.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ma...


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Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Michael wrote: "I`ve overdosed on all this Manny talk. There are lots of key deals to be made that will turn somebody into a monster winner. Manny can`t pitch!!
Mike Linn"


I agree - the deGrom watch is the one that I want to see.


message 13: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Brina wrote: "A guy like Manny seems to only want to play in a big market. I'm guessing Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees. Harper also and I'm beginning to wonder with hosting ASG behind him that his numbers will rebound i..."

He's NOT going to the Yankees.


message 14: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Lance wrote: "Michael wrote: "I`ve overdosed on all this Manny talk. There are lots of key deals to be made that will turn somebody into a monster winner. Manny can`t pitch!!
Mike Linn"

I agree - the deGrom wat..."
I don't think the Mets will trade either deGrom or Thor. With those two and Wheeler I would try to lure Machado and Harper to the Mets. That would be a stunner.


message 15: by Brina (new)

Brina | 8669 comments Mod
Highly doubt it. I still think the Mets unload. Of course I'm biased against the Mets and want to see them in total disarray.


message 16: by Mike (new)

Mike (mike9) | 6419 comments They should be called the New York Mess. The front office is so screwed up that the called on first base coach and former GM Ruben Amaro for advice.


message 17: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
That's one running joke out here, Mike. The other is that Mets is an acronym for Must End the Season.


message 18: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
The other reason that keeping those three pitchers and trying to build around them will fail is that how many times have we heard that plan from the Mets and it never works? Think back to Pulsipher, Wilson and Isringhausen, just for one example. How well did THAT work out?


message 19: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Brina wrote: "Highly doubt it. I still think the Mets unload. Of course I'm biased against the Mets and want to see them in total disarray."

They are pretty close to that now - I am sure you have your inner smile on.


message 20: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Harold wrote: "Lance wrote: "Now that the All-Star game is over, time for the rest of the real season. I'll start with a question for our two Phillies fans. I read that now that Machado is going to the Dodgers, t..."

Escobar can play short - not a wizard, but no liability either. He started the season there when Polonco was suspended for PEDs. He moved to third when Adrianza was ready (again) and the Sano drama started.


message 21: by Brina (new)

Brina | 8669 comments Mod
You got it and seeing DeGrom's short hair last night I wonder if he is lobbying to join the Yankees ahead of this weekend's subway series.


message 22: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments The Mets minor league system was ranked 28th at the end of March. So my point is they have no choice but to buy free agents or unload the pitching staff. If the latter, it will take several years to rebuild. If the former they can make a run for it with pitching and two superstars.


message 23: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
He cut his hair during the off season. I went to the second game of the season and he pitched and couldn't recognize him.


message 24: by Mike (new)

Mike (mike9) | 6419 comments Media disaster for the Mets if they traded DeGrom to the Yankees. Unless they literally get the farm for him.


message 25: by Rick (new)

Rick Harsch | 1198 comments I don't think they'll trade DeGrom. This is recent hype, typical of a slow news cycle combined with an agent's push for a deal. The Mets got unlucky with their great potential staff, DeGrom being the one who has been good and should be good for many years. They may trade others as projects, Syndergaard as something more than that.


message 26: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments With all the rumors about getting another third baseman, Mikail Franco has been doing pretty well-about as well as Moustakas and he is 5 years younger. He has a .776 OPS and a WAR of 0.3. He isn't yet 26 so I would still retain him. I do like Escobar or even Nick Castellanos of Detroit for the right deal. If we could get Fulmer and Castellanos that would be fun time in the city. Thoughts?


message 27: by Michael Linn (new)

Michael Linn | 11246 comments Lance wrote: "Brina wrote: "A guy like Manny seems to only want to play in a big market. I'm guessing Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees. Harper also and I'm beginning to wonder with hosting ASG behind him that his numbers ..."

Not as a rental anyway
Mike Linn


message 28: by Brina (new)

Brina | 8669 comments Mod
My thoughts are if Braves and Phils stay ahead of Nats is that they should trade Harper with teams knowing he's a rental so that they can get something for him. Besides signs point to him signing with Yankees or Cubs or mystery team and then Nats would end up with nothing. Has anyone heard anything about this or pondered it.


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Rick Harsch | 1198 comments Harold wrote: "With all the rumors about getting another third baseman, Mikail Franco has been doing pretty well-about as well as Moustakas and he is 5 years younger. He has a .776 OPS and a WAR of 0.3. He isn't ..."
I take it you are a Phillies fan?
(I've only discussed baseball on one other internet forum and the partisans would joke around but it was all very friendly. So far it seems pretty tame here as well...)
Anyway, back to the question of Franco versus Moustakas, I think it would be crazy for the Phillies to make that mistake.
I also think the Phillies are ahead of schedule like the Braves, and supposed to have a good farm system. If that's true, they should perhaps go with what they have. I think Fulmer and Castellanos would have to be the bottom tier on a good playoff team.


message 30: by Rick (new)

Rick Harsch | 1198 comments Brina wrote: "My thoughts are if Braves and Phils stay ahead of Nats is that they should trade Harper with teams knowing he's a rental so that they can get something for him. Besides signs point to him signing w..."
I ponder Harper's batting average and his repeated refusal to run out ground balls, his lazy tendencies in the outfield, and thus his net effect on a young team like the Cubs, which would be negative.


message 31: by Brina (new)

Brina | 8669 comments Mod
I'm just wondering if he isn't motivated because he knows Nats are overrated and on a better team he would play better. If the two young teams don't want him I wonder where he lands.


message 32: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Rick, I am a Phillies fan and I am conflicted. I have felt that they should wait and not make any deals for our prospects because I don't think we can win it all now. I'd like to stand pat but I would be interested in the Detroit duo as pieces to solidify our team if we don't have to unload the truck with prospects.
As for Harper, I doubt that the ownership will trade him now. They are 5.5 back with Strassburg back on Friday. They still have Zimmerman to get back. I think they feel they can still win the division. This may be their last chance because their pitching is getting old. They will stay with Harper IMO.


message 33: by C. John (new)

C. John Kerry (cjkerry) | 8342 comments Lance wrote: "The other reason that keeping those three pitchers and trying to build around them will fail is that how many times have we heard that plan from the Mets and it never works? Think back to Pulsipher..."

When I read this I recalled a line spoken by Harry Potter in Deathly Hollows Part Two. "When have any of our plans worhed. We plan, we arrive, all hell breaks loose."


message 34: by C. John (new)

C. John Kerry (cjkerry) | 8342 comments 32+ posts is a lot to catch up with.


message 35: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Actually I was thinking of Einstein's definition of insanity when it comes to the Mets - keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


message 36: by Michael Linn (new)

Michael Linn | 11246 comments Stats & video shows that for some reason, Harper has consistently gone outside the zone. So instead of having to walk him, they just wait for him to get himself out. The only possible reason is some sort of injury, minor in nature but enough keep him in the lineup. ( Back or wrist has been mentioned) At only 5 1/2 back & with some key people coming back, they are a danger. I just don`t see them renting him out, but you never know for sure
Mike Linn


message 37: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Has anyone seen this? And if so, does it bother anyone else like it does me? While not excusing in any way what he said in those posts, if MLB, or any other profession, is going to go back years to find something like this, will anyone be truly safe from suspension or mandated actions?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/m...


message 38: by Brina (new)

Brina | 8669 comments Mod
Of course it bothers me. He was in high school. Who cares and who took the time to dig these up in the first place? I guess we all have to watch what we post on line at all times.


message 39: by Craig (new)

Craig McGraw | 49 comments I hope Manny goes where he wants and I agree he is not an outstanding shortstop. Perhaps this will improve as he re-acclimates to the position over time.If he goes somewhere where they tell him 3rd is his position he could destroy a teams hopes if he sulks. Today is the day he goes to LA, Monday was Philly but who knows until the press conference. As far as Harper is concerned I think he is a superstar from the neck down. Remember he wanted to be drafted as a 16 year old and dropped out of high school. It seems that Harper is the poster boy for what is wrong with today's game--home run or nothing.


message 40: by Rick (new)

Rick Harsch | 1198 comments Harold, When I think of Phillies fans the first thing I think of is the pain they must have gone through with the deterioration of such a nice guy as Howard.

Lance, it's all anodyne, balm for public relations. It's similar to the recent spate of domestic abuse cases mostly in football, which the league felt it somehow must deal with. The biggest problem in my opinion is that what the leagues do is and can only be surface level, so it's a joke. A sporting league can't root out domestic abuse or racism, nor is sensitivity training going to address 1) issues Hader has now from stupid things from high school; or, 2) worse, issues Hader has now if he hasn't learned since high school. It's a lot easier if the players break a law--in which case the league should just hold up its hands and say, let the law deal with it. When that process is done, the teams should behave like other employers.


message 41: by Harold (last edited Jul 18, 2018 01:56PM) (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Michael wrote: "Stats & video shows that for some reason, Harper has consistently gone outside the zone. So instead of having to walk him, they just wait for him to get himself out. The only possible reason is som..." I have said before that his troubles are the shift. (IMO and with due deference to the senior historian from Pa.If it were a minor injury, he wouldn't have the power numbers that he has. The shift has been utilized 56% of the time against him compared to 41% last year and only 27% the year before that. I saw sts on Brian Kenny two weeks ago


message 42: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Lance wrote: "Has anyone seen this? And if so, does it bother anyone else like it does me? While not excusing in any way what he said in those posts, if MLB, or any other profession, is going to go back years to..." Yes I heard about the tweets but didn't see the texts. he was 17 so I'll cut him a break.


message 43: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Rick wrote: "Harold, When I think of Phillies fans the first thing I think of is the pain they must have gone through with the deterioration of such a nice guy as Howard.
Yes the decline of Ryan Howard, in part due to the shift was painful to watch.
Lance, it's all anodyne, balm for publ..."



message 44: by Craig (new)

Craig McGraw | 49 comments Manny to LA for 5. I hope one turns into a decent player


message 45: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Harold wrote: "Lance wrote: "Has anyone seen this? And if so, does it bother anyone else like it does me? While not excusing in any way what he said in those posts, if MLB, or any other profession, is going to go..."

Exactly...he was a 17 year old kid. If we all have to be accountable and pay for our youthful mistakes, then everyone will have to be punished. If these were from a year or two ago, that's one thing. But from his high school days seven years ago?


message 46: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments I doubt that MLB went looking for his past. More likely a tip from some high school classmates. At that point MLB must have felt obligated to address it.


message 47: by Craig (new)

Craig McGraw | 49 comments Leave Josh Hader alone. He was only a stupid 17 year old . I'm sure many have done similar stupid stuff in our teens. Let the young man play ball


message 48: by Lance (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
Harold wrote: "I doubt that MLB went looking for his past. More likely a tip from some high school classmates. At that point MLB must have felt obligated to address it."

Either that or some reporter who digs up dirt on anybody to make a name for themselves. Either way, I agree with Craig...leave him alone for something he did as a youth.


message 49: by Harold (new)

Harold Kasselman | 18532 comments Lance wrote: "Harold wrote: "I doubt that MLB went looking for his past. More likely a tip from some high school classmates. At that point MLB must have felt obligated to address it."

Either that or some report..."
What is a yut?


message 50: by Lance (last edited Jul 18, 2018 07:21PM) (new)

Lance (sportsbookguy) | 13628 comments Mod
I don't see that in my response...but if I typed it, it was a typo. Although...I have heard "youth" pronounced as "yoot" or "yut" so maybe that's it. Either way...a youngster!

Is it Thursday night yet? Impatient for the real games to get going again.


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