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message 1: by Ietrio (new)

Ietrio Guys, I badly need your help.

The World around is mostly Platonist. Christian, Socialist, Green, whatever. The Hive above the people. Sacrifice, enlightened leaders, altruism. I need something else. Help me.

The story goes like this: I have near me an avid reader. By the age of six has read all Harry Potter volumes at least twice each. For pure laziness, I kept sending the books of my youth and this is how I start rereading parts of novels I haven't touched in years. And I am terrified by both the rudimentary style of writing and the philosophy exposed.

I want to offer something better. But I can't. I don't find Catch 22, The Tin Drum or Johnny Got a Gun nice for a nine year old. And Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead I could not finish myself.

So don't think Tommy the Tank Engine. The little reader has already digested The Lord of the Rings and Battle Royale and something like Lemony Snicket is lasting as much as an after noon.

Also, if it hasn't been translated into English already, French, Italian or Spanish are fine too.


message 2: by Melanie (last edited Jul 02, 2018 05:09PM) (new)

Melanie | 925 comments The Hobbit
The Chronicles of Narnia
The Mysterious Benedict Society series
The Name of This Book Is Secret series
The Graveyard Book
The Girl Who Drank the Moon
The Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland in a Ship of Her Own Making series
The Wee Free Men series
Rick Riordan has several series and the The Sword of Summer series in particular has an intentionally diverse cast.

You can also look at award lists like Newberry and Caldecott


message 3: by Trike (new)

Trike I want to make sure I’m understanding your request, because that first paragraph doesn’t really match the rest of it. Are you asking for book recommendations which do not have references to any of those things? And what is the Hive?


message 4: by Dj (new)

Dj | 1972 comments Brandon Sanderson's Alcatraz series might be a worth while series to have them try.


message 5: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl  (cherylllr) | 2285 comments Ietrio, let the child post the query.
That way we'll have first-hand data about his or her interests and reading level.


message 6: by Karl (new)

Karl Smithe | 17 comments Orphans of the Sky by Robert Heinlein


message 7: by John (new)

John Siers | 255 comments Another Heinlein:
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
The "treecat" YA series by David Weber and Jane Lindskold:
A Beautiful Friendship
Fire Season
Treecat Wars


message 8: by Ietrio (new)

Ietrio Trike wrote: "I want to make sure I’m understanding your request, because that first paragraph doesn’t really match the rest of it. Are you asking for book recommendations which do not have references to any of ..."

Yes, Trike. Books that are NOT about mindless sacrifice or a fate set by some gods/stars/alien minds.

Books about real people, NOT The Chosen One with a special sign and a magic box that holds the certificate of princelingness, also a perfect character in all ways.

Take Paul Atreides. A beautiful character. And he helps the poor Fremens. Killing countless others and assuming lands and objects that he does not own is just something, because he is such a sensitive person. It's the Harkonnen who refuse to vacate the place for the sake of a distant despot that are pure evil for Herbert.

Hive, Borg, Collective Mind, Society, Social Security, Nation, call it anyway you like it as it has many names.


message 9: by Allison, Fairy Mod-mother (new)

Allison Hurd | 13034 comments Mod
The Giver and really anything by Lois Lowry.
Roald Dahl is another that I'd suggest for more advanced young readers (can get a little spooky, but doesn't coddle kids and definitely not about the Chosen One)
Diana Wynne Jones, Garth Nix both have good ones for that age range.

Tamora Pierce is a favorite, because the heroines are all strong, but there is an element of god-meddling. Less so in the Protector of the Small and not at all in the Circle of Magic books, though.

Wise Child might meet your criteria pretty well.


message 10: by Trike (new)

Trike Ietrio wrote: "Trike wrote: "I want to make sure I’m understanding your request, because that first paragraph doesn’t really match the rest of it. Are you asking for book recommendations which do not have referen..."

Okay then.

I recommend The Enormous Egg and The Gismo from Outer Space and Ungifted.


message 11: by Don (new)

Don Dunham if you want some highbrow literary Kung Fu, I recommend books by Philip Pullman and Guy Gavriel Kay. How about The Great North Road... he will not finish that in an afternoon.


message 12: by Ietrio (new)

Ietrio Don wrote: "if you want some highbrow literary Kung Fu

Oh, yes, please. Anything that does not have "he asked angrily" or "she looked at him with icy eyes".


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