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message 1: by Mrs. Asti (last edited Jul 02, 2018 04:27AM) (new)

Mrs. Asti | 6 comments Mod
In a novel by William Styron, a father tells his son that life “is a search for justice.”

Choose a character from Ian McEwan's novel, ATONEMENT, who responds in some significant way to justice or injustice. Then write a well-developed response in which you analyze the character’s understanding of justice, the degree to which the character’s search for justice is successful, and the significance of this search for the work as a whole. Avoid plot summary.

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Adriana Zubizarreta | 12 comments Adriana Zubizarreta
A character that responded to some sort of injustice was Robbie. He got sent to jail than to the army because he was accused of hurting an innocent girl when he did no such thing. At that point, he must not have supported the justice system or understand it because he was wrongly imprisoned with little to no evidence. Robbie worked night and day to get over the fact how he was done wrong by the justice system, so he could support the love of his life, Cecilia. The degree that his search for justice was successful, was slim to no chance at all because the case was dismissed. He had no fair chance. A few years after Briony then realized that she was wrong, but felt terrible because there was possibly nothing she could do. Robbie just wanted the approval of his family and friends again and that shows how much he has grown as a person. The search of the whole was that Robbie was happy as long as he had Cecilia.


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Amanda | 8 comments Amanda Barbon
In the novel Atonement by Ian McEwan, Robbie Turner responded to an act of injustice in a significant way. Robbie Turner was pointed the finger at for a crime he didn’t commit. Not only was he accused of a crime with very little, immature evidence, but he wasn’t given fairness in his case. He was later given the choice to remain in prison or go to war. Throughout his time in war, he realized that what had happened in his case was unfair and had no chance of justice because of the fact that his case was dismissed quickly. However, the only thing that kept him going was the love of his life, Cecilia who was also trying to fight for his freedom. Briony Tallis was the person who was to blame for all of it. As the years passed, she realized that it was not Robbie who committed the crime of rape, but Paul Marshall. Even though, Robbie fought in war and never gave up no matter the intensity of it for the hopes of seeing Cecilia again and living the life he deserved; it was known that it was nearly impossible for that to happen. Unfortunately, everything Robbie Turner went through to fight for justice came to an end when it was revealed that he died the day of evacuation. Fortunately, Cecilia drowned a few months after. He wasn’t able to receive the fairness he deserved, but at least they will be together again in the far beyond.


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Andres Alfaro | 7 comments Andres Alfaro
In the novel, Atonement, Briony responded to the injustice that she herself created. She falsely accused Robbie of being a rapist. Then when she was older she tried to atone for her lies by training to be a nurse. However, her response to the injustice that happened to Robbie was giving him and Cecilia the happy ending that they never had in her novel in pages 345-349, since Robbie died because of an infection in World War ll and Cecilia died due to a German bombing in London. Briony probably stills trust the justice system since she was the one distorted truth and evidence for her own gain, not the system. Sadly, her search for justice wasn’t successful. By the time she wanted to redeem herself, it was already too late and the damage was done. Her search for justice in the novel is significant to the novel because it creates the theme of atonement which is also the title of the book.


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Adriana Zubizarreta | 12 comments Amanda wrote: "Amanda Barbon
In the novel Atonement by Ian McEwan, Robbie Turner responded to an act of injustice in a significant way. Robbie Turner was pointed the finger at for a crime he didn’t commit. Not o..."


Adriana Zubizarreta
I completely agree with Amanda on this one because I feel like everyone just jumped to conclusions and never gave Robbie a fair trial or way of life after being falsely accused of some actions.


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ChedMichael Barreto | 8 comments ChedMichael Barreto

While Briony's accusations of rape towards Robbie were false, from her perspective she wanted to respond to a form of injustice. Her claim was that Robbie had assaulted both her sister, Cecilia, and cousin, Lola. Having to already label Robbie as a "maniac"(pg 112) right after reading his letter to Cecilia, Briony just wanted to protect her family from Robbie as she had lost his trust. For a long time, Briony had trusted Robbie and have already built a strong relationship, but after the letter that he had written she felt betrayed(pg 215-219). In turn for Robbie "hurting" Briony emotionally and her relatives physically, she needed to take action. In this case, it was " an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." So, at the age of thirteen Briony had a decent understanding of what justice meant. She knew what her goal was at the moment, and that was for Robbie to pay for his crimes. In the end, Briony was able to report to her mother and the policemen of what Robbie had done to Cecilia and Lola, causing Robbie to get arrested. Yes, her justice was received as she was finally able to get the so-called "maniac" arrested, but overtime in a span of five years her justice would counter-fire. By falsely accusing Robbie of rape, she destabilized Cecilia's relationship with her family. Not only did Briony's actions affect Cecilia, but her relationship with Robbie had also fallen apart. Her own actions had hurt her mentally as she would become a nurse to pay for her lies. So, in terms of Briony's successfulness in searching for justice, it didn't matter if Robbie got arrested because she knew her accusations were lies and would feel guilty of the wrong doing she had committed.


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Felix Ramirez | 12 comments Felix D. Ramirez

A character who responded to justice and injustice is Briony. Briony had accused Robbie of raping Cecilia when she discovered that Lola had been sexually assaulted and saw a dark figure running away from the scene. She responded to this by going to the police and accusing Robbie who she thought was the culprit. This was her own sense of justice as she saw fit to expose who she thought was the rapist in order to help Lola's situation. Her own sense of justice was not correct however since she did not see the face of the person who truly raped Lola which meant that she randomly accused Robbie of being the rapist. This not only ruined his life but that of Cecilia who wanted to spend the rest of her life with Robbie since they we're truly in love. When Robbie was arrested Cecilia cut off everyone from her life and began a loner as she waited for her love to come back. Briony went to the full extent in order to apply her own justice towards the one who raped Lola but in turn caused a lot of wrong. Her accusation sets up the plot in which the book follows. Briony knew she was in the wrong and tried to her fullest extent after Robbie got out of prison to clear his name. She even trained to be a nurse for the soldiers fighting because Robbie was one of them.


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Felix Ramirez | 12 comments Adriana wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Amanda Barbon
In the novel Atonement by Ian McEwan, Robbie Turner responded to an act of injustice in a significant way. Robbie Turner was pointed the finger at for a crime he didn’..."


Felix D. Ramirez
I agree with the fact that Briony thought about acting in her own way in order to enforce her own justice. She does however realize her mistake and the impact it had on the lives around her which is where a turning point comes. She tries her hardest to fix the mistake that she made and the way she labeled Robbie as a "maniac" and a rapist. Her own sense of "justice" ruined some lives and that was what made her realize what she had done was not right.


IsabellaVandamas | 6 comments I believe that a character from the novel atonement that faces injustice is Robbie, I think Robbie made a mistake giving briony the note to give to her sister. Seeing as she read it although it was not meant for her. Briony being such a young child and seeing language she knew was wrong miss understood the situation and was set on saving her sister proven on page 107 when she thought " unless she helped her sister they would all suffer." (pg107). Already putting Robbie in some thick waters, What did not help was the fact that moments later Lola was rapped by a man she claims she didn't see. giving Birony more reason to tell the police everything she knew. Eventually getting Robbie arrested and then having him take part in world war two. Taking the life he could have had with Cecilia away from him as well as his freedom.


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Jonathan B. | 12 comments Jonathan Bejarano
In the book "Atonement," Robbie was the character that was most affected by "justice." After being accused of rape and seen as dangerous and a "maniac"(page 112), his hatred towards Briony and his search for justice grew. As shown in the book, Robbie was very aware of what Briony did wrong. This means he knows about justice and injustice, especially since he was wrongly accused of something he didn't do. His experience with injustice teaches him more about justice to a certain extent. Robbie was not fully successful in his mission of justice, but he was successful to a certain extent. He was able to get Briony to understand what she did wrong and made her feel guilty, which gave him some satisfaction. His search for having his freedom back and justice affected the book as a whole because it all related to the past and impacted their future. It showed themes of betrayal, immaturity, and injustice.


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Jonathan B. | 12 comments Andres wrote: "Andres Alfaro
In the novel, Atonement, Briony responded to the injustice that she herself created. She falsely accused Robbie of being a rapist. Then when she was older she tried to atone for her l..."


Jonathan Bejarano
I agree with Andres, Briony does try to atone with her wrongdoings and try to find justice for Robbie. Unfortunately, as said by Andres, no one got the happy ending they wanted, but I guess that shows how hard times were around the time of World War ll.


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Sadie G | 12 comments Sadie Garcia-Praslin
Justice is a term that can represent various things for the people who seek it. In Ian McEwan's novel,"Atonement", Briony's definition of justice meant stopping Robbie Turner and fiercely protecting her sister. When Lola was raped, Briony insisted that she witnessed Robbie fleeing the scene of the crime and deemed this as an opportunity to place an end to "the maniac" after her sister. Thus, for Briony putting Robbie in jail served as justice for her. Justice in Briony's view was properly served. However, when she recognized her mistake, Briony ended up spending much of her life atoning for the injustice she purposefully imposed on to Robbie's life.


message 13: by Sadie (last edited Aug 24, 2018 06:12PM) (new)

Sadie G | 12 comments IsabellaVandamas wrote: "I believe that a character from the novel atonement that faces injustice is Robbie, I think Robbie made a mistake giving briony the note to give to her sister. Seeing as she read it although it was..."
Sadie Garcia's Response:
I agree with Isabella, on her opinion of the injustices Robbie faces. Briony was indeed too young to interpret the meaning of Robbie's letter to Cecilia which caused her to think of Robbie as a threat to Cecilia's life .Thus , feeling she had to protect her sister ,Briony wrongfully accused Robbie for raping Lola taking along his freedom and any chance a life with Cecilia.


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Anabel | 12 comments Anabel Guerrero
A character who responded to injustice in Atonement is Briony. She imagined a scenario and accused Robbie of sexual assault. As she grows older and more mature Briony finally realizes that she wrongly accused Robbie, and tries her best to gain forgiveness. She becomes a nurse to feel like a better person and for it to be easier for her to live with the fact that she ruined her sister’s life. At the end of the novel Briony, having the power to control her story, gives the characters that are supposed to be Cecilia and Robbie a happy ending as a response to the injustice she caused. Briony did not achieve justice, because both Cecilia and Robbie pass away and she stays unforgiven and has to live with the guilt.


message 15: by Melina (last edited Aug 24, 2018 06:10PM) (new)

Melina Caballero | 12 comments Melina Caballero

In Atonement by Ian McEwan, a character who responded to injustice was Briony. Granted, the injustice she responded to was one she created all on her own. Briony had read the private letter meant for Cecilia and was convinced Robbie was a madman. In her own act of "justice", she accuses Robbie Turner of rape and repeatedly described him as a maniac which eventually led him to prison for a crime he did not commit. Satisfied, Briony felt justice was served when she successfully threw a completely innocent man into prison. In the following years, Briony begins to regret her decision and spends years trying to make up for her wrongdoings. The actions she made help build the them of forgiveness and guilt in the novel.


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Melina Caballero | 12 comments Sadie wrote: "Sadie Garcia-Praslin
Justice is a term that can represent various things for the people who seek it. In Ian McEwan's novel,"Atonement", Briony's definition of justice meant stopping Robbie Turner ..."


I agree with Sadie on how Briony's definition of justice was to blame Robbie in order to protect those around her. By doing this Briony didn't realize she ruined the lives of those around her instead, like Cecilia, Robbie, and even Lola.


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Anabel | 12 comments Jonathan wrote: "Jonathan Bejarano
In the book "Atonement," Robbie was the character that was most affected by "justice." After being accused of rape and seen as dangerous and a "maniac"(page 112), his hatred towar..."


I like how you wrote about Robbie, and completely agree with you on the fact that he had his life ruined by someone else when he did nothing wrong at all. Also when you said he was successful because Briony ended up realizing she did something horrible.


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Dacia (xodacia) | 8 comments Dacia Ochoa

In Ian McEwan’s ‘Atonement,’ A character that had to respond to injustice in a significant way was Robbie Turner, a young man who was deemed as a lower classed individual. When Robbie was accused of raping Briony’s cousin Lola, Briony believed she was doing the right thing- she thought she was making justice for Lola and for Cecilia because Cecilia was in love with him. The situation, however, was unjust for Robbie because not only was he innocent but the allegations also tarnished his reputation. Robbie’s incarceration assured Briony her justice when she was younger, but-as she ages, Briony realizes she was wrong for accusing Robbieand thats something she has to live with after both Cecilia’s and Robbie’s deaths.


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Ashley Gonzalez | 4 comments Ashley Gonzalez
A character who responded for injustice in ‘Atonement’ is Robbie. Briony created various fake scenarios that really changed the way she looked at people. An example of this would be when she saw Robbie as rapists and wrongfully accuses him for raping Lola. Throughout the novel Robbie is stripped from his bright future and a future with Celilia. When Briony realizes that all her accusations of Robbie were fake she realizes that she will have to live with that guilt.


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