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Past Meetings > December 2018: Ghost World

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Heather Hay (businessendofbooks) | 105 comments Mod
We will end 2018 on a classic of the comic book industry. In the past we have wanted to read this book, but the library didn't have enough copies. Luckily they have re-ordered the title and we can discuss Daniel Clowes' brilliance again. (We discussed Black Hole years ago.)

We will most likely show a clip from the movie to compare how the same screen compares on the page and on the screen.


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Terry Mulcahy | 21 comments I've read Black Hole and Ghost World.


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Terry Mulcahy | 21 comments Terry wrote: "I've read Black Hole and Ghost World."
Me too. Thoroughly enjoyed both.


Heather Hay (businessendofbooks) | 105 comments Mod
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General comments
-Most of us enjoyed the film and recalled our memories of seeing it when it first came out. We discussed what it was that separates the film from the book (as anyone would do when we talk about a book made into a film.) However we all had different reasons for enjoying one over the other. There's a strange chemistry that happens between the reader and material, vs watcher and material. So for the following comments, we went back and forth from describing the book version vs the film version.

-We loved "manic, frenetic, raunchy characters," that we won't lose any sleep over them.

-Enid's desires and motivation are frustrating to say the least. It's hard to go anywhere with a character that just wants to be in opposition to everything. This book is like "Hunter S. Thompson without the action sequences."

-Amber's toxic relationship with Enid was cringeworthy. Some of us loved to hate them, some of us forgave them, and some of us feared for their future. This strong of a reaction to characters may be a result of the author's masterful way to truly flesh out characters well. We couldn't deny that their dialogue is perfect for the time period and their age.

-The teens of the sixties were compared to the teens of the nineties. Could the children of hippies and protesters create a new generation of ambivalent desensitized teens of the nineties? Through the events of the comic book we interpreted how each one would play out in the sixties, nineties and with today's millenials. We briefly talked about the possibility that the Z generation will come full circle to become the new sixties protest generation. We briefly discussed the Florida Parkland students.

-The role of art as a theme in the film tied things together so well. So we talked about what that meant for the comic book. What does Daniel Clowes presence in the comic book mean for the theme of art in the comic? His treatment of himself as a character is really telling to the story and how we should interpret Enid. Oh Enid, were you the author all along?

-Enid's leaving at the end of the novel was left for us to interpret on our own. Was this a character arc? Was it just a way to say that things will never change with Enid?

-This book was hard to take while reading it in different times of your life.

-We discussed different technologies that turn "your brains to mush." We used to think television would ruin kids brains by making them stay indoors, now its cellphones.

-For a book that focused on who two teenage girls that would talk about sex so much, why didn't they ever talk about their periods?


Works mentioned
I can tell when we have run across a unique genre defining book when we rarely talk about any other work of art to compare it to. So here is a very short list of the other works we discussed at the meeting.
-Miss Hokusai Tomo 1
-Raymond Carver
-Hunter S. Thompson
-Steve Buschemi
-Blackkklansman film
-The 'Nam


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Daniel Hay | 6 comments Mod
There was also a brief sidebar about Venom and Secret Wars #8, which featured the origin of Spider-Man's black costume. 


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