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message 1: by Jane (new)

Jane EGS | 32 comments Mod
These chapters are full of stories; which stood out to you? Imagine your congregation in five years; what might you have done together that grows from re-purposing to be the church in a changing climate?


message 2: by Jane (new)

Jane EGS | 32 comments Mod
One thing I hope we will have done is discover more ways to gather geographically so we don't have to travel so far to worship, have fun, or serve. Maybe even help congregations (part of CUCC or independent) start in Garner, Holly Springs, Clayton?
I bet we will have more than one car charger in the parking lot, and more of us will take public transit to events at CUCC because it will be easier than now, and maybe easier than driving!
Maybe we will know more about each other's lives in ways that are currently "taboo" - we'll be helping each other out financially, or installing solar panels on each other's roofs, or sharing cars, or even sharing homes?
I hope we will laugh together more because I think we'll need that.


message 3: by Gary (new)

Gary Smith | 10 comments A key thought for me is on page 54. Externalities. We need to bring the church to economic growth. An externality may not be included is the losses with growth. Hence air pollution, climate change and some people may be left out. They are externalities.
Jim says that with “God, there are no externalities.” I agree.
Where we need to change as a society and where the church must work is to eliminate externalities. We need to see the world as a whole.


message 4: by Carl (new)

Carl Sigel | 4 comments Gary, I agree that is a key point, and what follows on page 55, " The church finds itself in a world where ' the sacrifice of the environment to economic growth ... has unquestionably been a feature of economic development at least since the birth of industrialization'"

I think it is very difficult for the church to raise this reality. The church is part of the "empire", and depends on the empire.

I did have an opportunity this week to participate in a survey circulated by the Episcopal Church asking what programs we wanted to see at the national level. In my comments I said we need to put the environment (creation care) first (budget and action) . We must not shy away from discussing how economic policies are damaging the environment. I also raised Golden Rule 2.0 - we can't leave a damaged world for our children.


message 5: by Skip (new)

Skip Stoddard | 10 comments Americans are selfish. Selfishness and greed are our two main characteristics. And it seems that the rest of the world wants to emulate us. Most people aren't even courteous anymore. We are all to blame. Instead of leaving the world a better place for our descendants, we are making it worse. We are addicted, as Antal says. What ever happened to guilt? I feel a little guilty every time I turn on a light or get in the car. Obviously, I am a cynic. Make me believe in that kairos stuff!
I really liked the anecdote when one of Antal's congregants called him a communist. Sharing a lawnmower (or car) is exactly the best part of socialism! (By the way, I heard about an EPA study that showed that gas lawnmowers pollute way more than cars, for a given volume of gas.)


message 6: by Jane (new)

Jane EGS | 32 comments Mod
How could our congregation help us grown ups learn to share?


message 7: by Skip (new)

Skip Stoddard | 10 comments Could we begin by finding a way to encourage carpooling to church? How to make it fun?


message 8: by Jane (new)

Jane EGS | 32 comments Mod
Your addition - making it fun - is so important for sustainability of any new habit. I know that I have done better at taking the bus to downtown events because Gary and I go together which is ...fun!


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