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message 1: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
I just read an interesting article written by GoodEReader and shared by Rachel Amphlett

https://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-n...

I wonder if we will have any clue on the best thing to do, before it's forced on us on July 1st!


message 2: by Andrea (new)

Andrea | 1754 comments Thanks for the link Brenda. The reply from Amazon at the end just makes me more confused than ever!

As an account holder who has only ever used it for eBooks, I’ve not yet had any communication from Amazon. Friends who have purchased physical products got the email and the $20 incentive/bloodmoney. I won’t hold my breath, but I wonder if this means there’s still hope???


message 3: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
No idea! I only buy ebooks too and I received an email! So who knows 😐


message 4: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn | 8435 comments So, that sounds like a real problem. The article says that those of us who use the US site can't change to the AU site without losing all the books we've already bought. We can stay on the US site to access the books we've bought but then can't buy new books.
I'm thinking I might looking for that Kobo reader I had before the kindle!


message 5: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn | 8435 comments Andrea wrote: "Thanks for the link Brenda. The reply from Amazon at the end just makes me more confused than ever!

As an account holder who has only ever used it for eBooks, I’ve not yet had any communication fr..."


I haven't had an email from Amazon yet either Andrea.


message 6: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
I can't believe they wouldn't transfer everything across when they are forcing us to change. It's tantamount to stealing as we've purchased them! And all our reviews belong to us as well!


message 7: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Stringer | 271 comments My husband says that he thinks all this will only apply to physical products, not digital ones.


message 8: by Susan (new)

Susan (goodreadscomsusanaustralia) | 427 comments Wow Carolyn - that doesn’t sound right at all!

I’ve only used the Australian site to buy discounted Kindle books, and the US site to buy physical books and DVDs. I also got the email offering me a $20 discount, but I can’t see anything on the Oz site I want to buy, because the range is so small.


message 9: by Diana (last edited Jun 01, 2018 12:33AM) (new)

Diana (secondhandrose) | 1704 comments Hope all you Amazon customers and reviewers aren't too badly affected. I will be annoyed if we can't access the Amazon US site. I have family in the US and follow their wish lists for gift ideas etc.. Also my sister in California has Amazon Prime and sometimes orders second hand or out of print books for me. My boss orders quite a bit from Book Depository for work.


message 10: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn | 8435 comments Brenda wrote: "I can't believe they wouldn't transfer everything across when they are forcing us to change. It's tantamount to stealing as we've purchased them! And all our reviews belong to us as well!"

I've just been on the amazon.com site and it currently says if I change my account to the AU site I will have access to my previously purchased ebooks, so it's hard to see why that should change on July 1. It's all very confusing.

Apparently my 2GB paperwhite can hold 1000 books so I could just download all the books I haven't read yet. Also did you know there is the option to download books to a USB?


message 11: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
It sure is! And will we be able to review the books bought on US, on AU???

Could you give me a link to the USB information please Carolyn? Didn't know that at all...


message 12: by Carolyn (last edited Jun 01, 2018 05:19AM) (new)

Carolyn | 8435 comments If you go to the list of your books on Amazon (in Your Account - Your content and Devices), next to each book in the list is a button called Actions. If you click on it you can choose to deliver to a device or download and transfer via USB. You can select up to 10 titles at a time. I haven't tried it yet, but good to know that we can do that.


message 13: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
Okay thanks Carolyn 😊


message 14: by B the BookAddict (new)

B the BookAddict (bthebookaddict) | 3432 comments Brenda wrote: "I can't believe they wouldn't transfer everything across when they are forcing us to change. It's tantamount to stealing as we've purchased them! And all our reviews belong to us as well!"

So true, Brenda!


message 15: by marlin1 (new)

marlin1 | 413 comments You can also use Kindle for PC.
I use to download all my Amazon ebooks to my computer via Kindle for PC but I stopped doing that ages ago as my laptop is so old and I only fire it up to do reviews.
Even though I‘m already with Amazon AU it makes me think that I should make sure I download my actual purchased books to the computer.

I do have two Kindles, one stays at home the other is always with me and I never have them on wifi together.....just in case one day my books disappear from one when I connect to the internet!


message 16: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
It's a scary thought - because they are "files" not actually hold in your hand books - that they could vanish; paid for and owned by us anyway. And I don't think they particularly care! They have their money...


message 17: by PattyMacDotComma (new)

PattyMacDotComma | 2515 comments Michael wrote: "Just to clarify for general shopping you will still be able to buy from Amazon US after July 1 but you will need an American address by signing up to a freight forwarding service to have products s..."

So no GST charged then?


message 18: by Ace (new)

Ace (aceonroam) PattyMacDotComma wrote: "Michael wrote: "Just to clarify for general shopping you will still be able to buy from Amazon US after July 1 but you will need an American address by signing up to a freight forwarding service to..."

Patty if you do it this way, you pay import tax to the freight company, which I think is 10% of the value of the item. Depending on what you are buying, it may turn out cheaper than paying the price on the AU site.


message 19: by Ace (last edited Jun 02, 2018 06:46AM) (new)

Ace (aceonroam) Michael wrote: "Just to clarify for general shopping you will still be able to buy from Amazon US after July 1 but you will need an American address by signing up to a freight forwarding service to have products s..."

Michael I suspect the IP addresses will be rerouted to the AU site, so you will need a VPN to get to the US site first. Then use the shipping company. I think I saw an article on news.com.au that explains this.


message 20: by Ace (new)

Ace (aceonroam) PattyMacDotComma wrote: "Michael wrote: "Just to clarify for general shopping you will still be able to buy from Amazon US after July 1 but you will need an American address by signing up to a freight forwarding service to..."

What are you doing discussing Tax on your birthday. Go celebrate lol. A toast to you 🍷


message 21: by PattyMacDotComma (new)

PattyMacDotComma | 2515 comments Ace wrote: "PattyMacDotComma wrote: "Michael wrote: "Just to clarify for general shopping you will still be able to buy from Amazon US after July 1 but you will need an American address by signing up to a frei..."

Ha! I don't buy from the American site and my US family could send me hard copies anyway. But I hate to think of friends losing their libraries or struggling to buy books!


message 22: by ZaraS (new)

ZaraS  *book reviewer I downloaded my books to my ipad so if I was to vhange to the Australian site would I loose my books from it?


message 23: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
ZaraS wrote: "I downloaded my books to my ipad so if I was to vhange to the Australian site would I loose my books from it?"

I don't think so Zara. Otherwise we would all be in trouble..they would be stealing what we've paid for.


message 24: by Andrea (new)

Andrea | 1754 comments Michael wrote: "https://www.news.com.au/finance/busin... Scroll to the bott..."

Thanks Michael, that’s good info. But on a side note - how disappointing that the Treasurer doesn’t understand the basics of GST, like who pays it.


message 25: by Li'l Owl (last edited Jun 05, 2018 03:46PM) (new)

 Li'l Owl | 2504 comments PattyMacDotComma wrote: "Ace wrote: "PattyMacDotComma wrote: "Michael wrote: "Just to clarify for general shopping you will still be able to buy from Amazon US after July 1 but you will need an American address by signing ..."

This all has my head spinning! Nevermind that I'm an owl so my head spins anyway, which explains a lot! Haha. Anyway....

I'm with you, Patty! This is very upsetting to me. It doesn't affect me as you all know I'm in the US, but it all gives me a stomach ache that this is happening to my friends. After reading everyone's comments, I'm both confused and a little hopeful that there must be a way to keep the books you own. I don't see how they can take the books you own off your Kindle as long as you don't turn on the WiFi?
Thanks for the link, Michael, and to everyone for sharing any and all information.

This seems like it would only be for Amazon and not stores like Book Depository.??
I am sorry this has to be such a difficult and confusing situation just to enjoy reading. *sigh*


message 26: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Stringer | 271 comments Book Depository is owned by Amazon, so this will affect them too. However, it's unlikely to be forced on smaller operators. It's mainly being done because Amazon is making so much money at the expense of Australian small businesses and yet aren't contributing anything to the economy.


message 27: by Phrynne, Series Queen! (new)

Phrynne | 12289 comments Mod
Michael wrote: "No you won't need a VPN ace. The only blocking will be Amazon will not ship to Aussie addresses. No stopping shipping services delivering them though. Amazon said that themselves in an article I re..."

Your article says we will need a VPN Michael. I believe Amazon have said that they will be redirecting all orders with an Australian computer address.


message 28: by Andrea (new)

Andrea | 1754 comments There’s more to it than we think. A friend sent me this article from Monday’s Fin Review, that’s basically saying it’s not about us or our GST at all. It’s just unlucky for us that we are a small, discrete market - perfect for cutting off to send a message to other tax jurisdictions.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iUM...


message 29: by Andrea (last edited Jun 05, 2018 11:22PM) (new)

Andrea | 1754 comments By the way, something unusual happened on my Amazon account this morning. I wanted to send one of my books to my Kindle (I keep them in the cloud) so I tried to get to the part where you manage content, which requires password, even when you’re already logged in to the store. My home PC remembers my password so I clicked to go in and NOTHING. Error message - wrong password. I tried this twice, checked the password, entered it manually. Still nothing.

Next thing I know, I get an email from Amazon apologising for the difficulty I was having logging in, and giving me a code for 2-step authentication. It also clarified that my password had NOT changed. So I went back to try it, and I was already logged in. Very mysterious. But it did make me wonder if they’ve started taking steps to wind up my US account. They are clearly watching!!


message 30: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
What about kindle books Michael? Do they class that as "shipping" even though it's clearly not?


message 31: by Susan (new)

Susan (goodreadscomsusanaustralia) | 427 comments Michael wrote: "Amazon has clarified that Australian users will not need to use a VPN to access its US site from July 1. Australian customers will still be able to purchase from the US site but Amazon will only ship to US addresses."

I guess we will be able to use a freight forwarding service, although the last time I looked into that, it was prohibitively expensive.

I logged into Amazon.co.uk earlier today on my iPad was was redirected to Amazon.com.au, but this evening on the PC, I'm able to get in. A box came up asking me to confirm that I was interested in shipping to Australia, so it looks as though that's still an option.

Brenda — As for Kindle books, I've never been able to order them from Amazon.com, I get redirected to the Australian site.


message 32: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
I've only ever had a US Amazon account Susan :)


message 33: by Phrynne, Series Queen! (new)

Phrynne | 12289 comments Mod
Me too Brenda although they always ask if I wouldn’t prefer to be redirected to the Aussie site. The reason I stayed with the American one was that it has a much bigger selection and can be cheaper.
It had to happen one day. Maybe they think it will help sales on the Aussie site.


message 34: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
Goodness knows! I don't get asked - I haven't since way back when the Aussie one opened and I stayed with US.


message 35: by Phrynne, Series Queen! (new)

Phrynne | 12289 comments Mod
Are you going to change over or will you wait until they do it to you?


message 36: by Susan (new)

Susan (goodreadscomsusanaustralia) | 427 comments Brenda and Phrynne: That's odd — I didn't think I could buy Kindle books from the US site! I just checked and I can put a hardcover book into my cart, but not the Kindle edition. When I attempt to put a Kindle edition into my cart, I get a message saying, "Kindle titles are available for AU customers on Amazon.com.au."

Have you been accessing the US Amazon site with a VPN?


message 37: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
Phrynne wrote: "Are you going to change over or will you wait until they do it to you?"

I'll wait 😊


message 38: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
Susan wrote: "Brenda and Phrynne: That's odd — I didn't think I could buy Kindle books from the US site! I just checked and I can put a hardcover book into my cart, but not the Kindle edition. When I attempt to ..."

No Susan. It's probably because we signed up before AU started.


message 39: by Susan (new)

Susan (goodreadscomsusanaustralia) | 427 comments Thanks Brenda. I thought that may have been the case. I didn't start buying e-books until 2015, by which time the Oz site was up and running.

Another one of life's mysteries explained!


message 40: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
It's hard to understand this latest one though!!


message 41: by Sally906 (new)

Sally906 | 7 comments When the Aussie AU site started I was asked if I wanted to change over and I did - all my books came with me - and was not an issue.

I usually search on the US Amazon site - more habit than anything because it has a top 100 free page, and I can't find one on the Aussie site - then I go to download it from the Aussie site - just click on a link provided and over I come.

I've only had one or two times when a cheap price or temporary free offer wasn't on offer in OZ - and mostly that is a publisher thing rather than an Amazon thing.

When i buy an eBook I rarely buy it from Amazon anyway - I use Kobo, which is a little dearer but that is where my daughters can buy book vouchers for me - so its not really coming out of my pocket.

But for those of you who are worried about what you have already purchased - neither myself - or a friend here at work lost any of our books in the transfer.


message 42: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
That's really good news Sally :) Thanks!


message 43: by Li'l Owl (last edited Jun 08, 2018 07:33PM) (new)

 Li'l Owl | 2504 comments I was curious about how this might affect Book Depository so I sent them an email and asked. Got an answer within 24 hours. Here's what they said:
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Hi there Owl,

I trust this e-mail finds you well. Thank you for contacting us.

From 1 July, as a result of changes to Australian tax legislation, GST will be collected and remitted on all books with a customs value of AUD 1,000 or less that are shipped to Australia from Book Depository.

Australian customers will continue to be able to buy 18 million books from Book Depository with free delivery.

Please feel free to reach out to us should you require any additional assistance.
Kind Regards,
Jody,
Resolutions Specialist
Book Depository
******
Hope this is helpful. =o) xx

I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand all the GST, etc. So... I hope this is good news?


message 44: by Li'l Owl (new)

 Li'l Owl | 2504 comments Sally906 wrote: "When the Aussie AU site started I was asked if I wanted to change over and I did - all my books came with me - and was not an issue.

I usually search on the US Amazon site - more habit than anythi..."


Excellent news, Sally!


message 45: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
Li'l Owl wrote: "I was curious about how this might affect Book Depository so I sent them an email and asked. Got an answer within 24 hours. Here's what they said:
******
Hi there Owl,

I trust this e-mail finds yo..."


Thanks Owl :) Good and bad I suspect. We'll still be able to buy from them with free delivery, but the cost of the books will increase slightly. GST is a tax :(


message 46: by Li'l Owl (new)

 Li'l Owl | 2504 comments Brenda wrote: " Li'l Owl wrote: "I was curious about how this might affect Book Depository so I sent them an email and asked. Got an answer within 24 hours. Here's what they said:
******
Hi there Owl,

I trust th..."


Ah, is this a tax increase or a new tax?


message 47: by Leonie (new)

Leonie (leonierogers) | 3276 comments It's our standard Goods and Services Tax, which has been around for years. (GST)


message 48: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
I'm just going to wait until July 1 and see what happens Michael. I'm more confused than ever now!


message 49: by Andrea (new)

Andrea | 1754 comments Michael wrote: " I am a bit confused with free standard international deliveries over $45?..."

From the supposed 'global store'? Which I suspect will be US-based anyway.

Does anyone know who Amazon uses for domestic deliveries? Is it AusPost?


message 50: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 72263 comments Mod
Well here we have 1st July in Australia..I'm wondering what will happen once the US catches up with us and it's the 1st there. I spent some time yesterday using the money I had on my gift card as I'd heard we'd lose it in the change over. I have .19c there now!!


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