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message 1: by Dee (new) - rated it 4 stars

Dee i wasn't there, but I question the accuracy of the article - what exactly were the questions posed, the setting; she mentioned 3 groups - were all the authors mentioned from the same group, or different ones...

the article itself is horribly written, if out of that whole thing she only got 1 workable quote from each person

I will admit upfront that i've met 3 of the 5 authors mentioned at various reader's conferances and this article is the complete antithesis to everything else i've heard them say

message 2: by A (last edited Jul 30, 2014 09:08AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

A Whole I've read it and I liked it.

That's before I became aware of this divide. I didn't know much about the authors. There are really only a few who interest me as people. I did M/M thinking it was gay. That's because they kind of present themselves like they are writing gay books. I didn't know there was a difference. I thought gay books had become popular and more commercial and they had a bit of 'it's not really like this' tongue-in-cheek thing. I read a few, then got annoyed because all this thing of showing things like a fairy tale with sex that is not even possible most times and little reflection of myself annoyed me.

But I enjoyed this book. And I shouldn't change my mind for the opinions of the writer. Maybe I wouldn't have enjoyed it if I'd read it later. I went off all this mm very fast. It was a short-lived craze for me.

I agree that the gay (now I know where they are) books I read are another experience. Deeper, less sex but more real, the feelings you can clearly see come from the heart.

I am not in a relationship that I can call equal.

I don't need to be redeemed. Thanks, but no thanks.

I don't agree that 'romance is the emotional side of literature'. There are emotions in lots of books.

I don't care if some people prefer a happy ending. I don't mind either way. I prefer where the ending is unclear so I can imagine my own.

I also think that there's a shift... Romance has become erotica and erotica has become porn. Let's start by using words that mean what they state. Romance is like Pride and Prejudice... There doesn't need to be any sex (if there is, fine, I'm all but prudish) but the scales are tipping that way big time.

I also think they are behind when it comes to sex trends and I'll explain why. There's a lot of BDSM surfacing around in these books, but BDSM is really declining in the gay world. What is growing stratospherically fast is fetish, which is a different thing altogether. And the only book I found and read (that wasn't pure porn) and read about fetish was a book by a gay author with a gay protagonist. That's what more and more gay men are into. And I can explain why. BdSM comes from a generation where violence to children was common and this has 'taught them to enjoy' SM. Now that's no longer the case and it hasn't been for 40 years here. Fetish comes from the experience of discovering the contact with your partner through worn clothes and parts of the body that are not sexual in the traditional sense. I have, like many gay guys, a fetish, I'm not into SM at all. I'm ok with it, I don't care. But I read a book about m/m and the writer thought gay literature is 'behind' with taste, while it's the exact opposite if we are saying what's fashionable in the gay community and the writers knew very few gay men, so how can they say that at all? At least let us say what we like. I don't remember the hook's title but I can check.


I wonder what gay writers feel. The statements are quite aggressive.

Finally, I'm a man and gay, but I am insulted on behalf of women. Women are not all bitchy and stuff as they say. Most of the women I know are lovely. My personal experience (but don't take it as this is what I think is true for everybody) is that women are nicer to me than straight men, I work with them better, I find them more fair on the workplace. That's me. So. I'm not a writer and couldn't be, but if women think women are presented as bitchy, then do your duty as a woman and buck the trend. Don't go and look somewhere else to people you don't understand and then cheese them off...

I agree though. Read gay books by gay authors too. Or you'll end up damaging gay literature and that's not helping LGBT people at all. Imagine if all books on women were written by men and if all books on Black people were written by whites. Or all books on the US were written by foreign writers... We are almost getting to this stage with gay books... Then? Tell us you are with us? Show us...

Thank you very much for your patience reading this post.

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