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message 1: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments This is a wide-ranging topic. Wealth has little meaning if you don't have health. Feel free to discuss any health issue here, whether it concerns health insurance or personal health issues.


message 2: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments I'll begin by asking about Ambien - your experiences or others'. Is this drug safe? Many report doing things under the influence with no memory afterwards.


message 3: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments I asked this question because I have personal experience with friends and family members who have taken Ambien and then not remembered the next day what they did or said. My good friend and next door neighbor takes Ambien, and I've learned not to answer her calls after 10:00 at night. She doesn't have any recollection of our conversations the next day. My aunt took Ambien and walked to a neighbor's house with a pistol in her hand. Luckily, the neighbor disarmed her. She had no memory of it the next day. Roseanne Barr says she tweeted racist statements after taking Ambien. Kerry Kennedy was found not guilty of a driving incident because she had taken Ambien.

My question is: If this drug causes black-out states, why is it legal? Sure, people need their sleep, but at what cost?


message 4: by Michel (last edited Jun 01, 2018 06:34AM) (new)

Michel Poulin The big problem there is the lobbying power of the big pharmaceutical companies. They spend millions in lobbying congressmen, senators and government officials to gain their support for their products or to stop/modify legislations that could hurt their profits. Look at the recent, infamous Martin Shkrelly scandal, where that owner of a big pharmaceutical company boosted the cost of a vital anti-cancer drug by a factor of one thousand in order to maximise his profits. Those people don't really care about our health, they just care about money.


message 5: by Michel (new)

Michel Poulin Incidentally, I firmly believe that any health care system based on profits for private care providers and insurance companies will produce the scandalous mess that the American health care system is presently. Public health care should be a right for all, not a privilege based on how rich or poor you are. That is why the USA is now the only advanced Western country without a universal health care, single payer system. And that has nothing to do with communism, socialism or whatever loud protestations by right-wing people who equate single payer systems to some communist plot. Such systems were adopted outside of the USA simply because it was the best and least expensive way to ensure that the whole population could receive adequate health care.


message 6: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 11759 comments I have no doubt Michel is right about the lobbying, but the example of Roseanne is another example of the media incompetence/bias. The manufacturer was reported here as saying "Racism is not a side effect of this drug." What they should have done was list what the side effects are, because it sounds as if it is a psychotic drug. I just checked the reported side effects and it seems to depend on the dosage, but one of them actually is causing insomnia - what it is supposed to help against, in which case the does might be raised, which gets into bad territory. Not good. As an aside, had they listed the known side-effects, people might have stopped taking it, if they could stand the withdrawal symptoms.


message 7: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Michel wrote: "The big problem there is the lobbying power of the big pharmaceutical companies. They spend millions in lobbying congressmen, senators and government officials to gain their support for their produ..."

Hi Michel, so we are talking about the co-option of the legislative, and regulatory functions of the state/government by private interests to ensure elimination of competition, monopoly markets, entrenched profits, the transfer of risk away from the private interests to the public taxpayers.

Where the real operators of power work behind corporate veils, and everyone else pays the price.

A model of operation I call Corporate Statism, where the machinery of the state is operated for the benefit of those with a majority ownership of the well-established, well-connected corporates.

Aka Plutocracy.


message 8: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments Well said, Graeme. I guess that's why insurance companies seem to have carte blanche to raise prices and lower coverage. I've yet to figure out if there's any regulatory commission to which they are subject. It seems not.


message 9: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments We can discuss any health issue of interest here. I read an article today about the procedure for transplanting a uterus. It's very labor intensive and expensive, but it does work. I have questions about the necessity for such a procedure and about its future implications. What do you think?


message 10: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments I have an appointment in July for a yearly physical. I haven't followed my doc's recommendations from last year. A cholesterol medication he prescribed gave me a persistent cough, so I reduced it to 1/4 of the dosage. He won't be happy with that. I respect my doc, but I also listen to what my body tells me.


message 11: by J.J. (new)

J.J. Mainor | 2328 comments Right now there's an ad going around on TV for an anti-depressant where they list one of the side affects as "increased thoughts of suicide"...I could be wrong, but I don't think that's how anti-depressants are supposed to work.


message 12: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 11759 comments Well, if you carry it through, I guess the depression stops :-(


message 13: by J.J. (new)

J.J. Mainor | 2328 comments I have to admit my thoughts went there too, but from a business standpoint, it never makes sense to kill your customers, no matter what you're selling.


message 14: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 11759 comments Depends on whether there is one of those lawsuits turning up :-)


message 15: by J.J. (new)

J.J. Mainor | 2328 comments Well they can't be held accountable...they put in the disclaimer! :D


message 16: by Michel (new)

Michel Poulin Yeah! Those disclaimers often take more time to be all listed than the rest of the TV advertising for that particular medication.


message 17: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 16028 comments There are drugs against side effects and maybe even against ....... disclaimers


message 18: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments In light of the recent suicides of Kate Spade, designer, and Anthony Bourdain, chef and culinary travel guide, much has been made of contacting suicide hotlines. What's your take on suicide, and do you think hotlines are effective?


message 19: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 16028 comments Regretted the death of Nirvana's, Linkin Park's, INXS's singers. Looks like an epidemic, of a sort..
Since suicide is irreversible and can be committed under momentarily mood or circumstances, I think any means, incl. hotlines, that may prevent such things are good.
However, ultimately - it's within person's discretion whether to live or call it quits.


message 20: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments I have a friend whose beloved 15-year-old dog has cancer of the mouth. He's resisting putting her down, but it's a real possibility that he'll come home one day and his dog will have died alone without him to comfort her. She has no say in her fate, but he could legally put her out of her misery and be there when she passes. I think of all the people who are suffering and want to move on, but it's illegal to grant their wish. Why do we show so much compassion for animals but not for people?


message 21: by Michel (new)

Michel Poulin An excellent question, Scout. Thankfully, here in Québec, we now have a law permitting people with terminal or irreversible conditions causing pain to die with dignity.


message 22: by Lizzie (new)

Lizzie | 1847 comments J.J. wrote: "Right now there's an ad going around on TV for an anti-depressant where they list one of the side affects as "increased thoughts of suicide"...I could be wrong, but I don't think that's how anti-de..."

Most of them state that as a side affect. I was prescribed various ones in an attempt to control migraines. From experience, another side affect is memory loss.


message 23: by Lizzie (new)

Lizzie | 1847 comments Scout wrote: "I'll begin by asking about Ambien - your experiences or others'. Is this drug safe? Many report doing things under the influence with no memory afterwards."

I have severe insomnia and none of the drugs have worked to give me a reasonable night's sleep. Ambien I tried some time prior to 2010 - I cooked a chicken and ate part of it without remembering.

Severe Insomnia causes short term memory loss in and of itself. If you don't sleep the memories never get moved into storage in the brain is how my doctor explained it. The newest drug, belsomra, stops your mind from thinking about everything. That part it does work for me, but I still don't sleep more than 2 hours at a time without waking up. The difference is I have weird dreams even when I only have been asleep for 20 minutes.

Sleeping medications also list the side affect of depression. They and antidepressants can cause headaches. I just spent a month keeping track of my sleep with and without belsomra and there is no routine, no pattern, nothing that I can find. It's very frustrating and insomnia has messed up my life more than the migraines.


message 24: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments I'm wondering why you can't sleep. When you lie down at night, what happens that makes sleep impossible? I know that when I can't go to sleep it's because my mind won't shut off and stays active.


message 25: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments Let's say you live a healthy lifestyle but sometimes indulge in a forbidden pleasure. What would it be? Mine is fried chicken livers wrapped in bacon.


message 26: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 16028 comments What's so forbidden about livers in bacon?-:)


message 27: by Michel (new)

Michel Poulin Living all the time a healthy lifestyle would be boring for me, as I am a lover of good food. I look at all those people shopping strictly for 'bio', 'organic', 'vegan' or 'diet' food items at the supermarket and wonder how well (bad?) they would manage to survive in the wild while being picky about what they eat, if they could find anything by themselves. Neanderthals were physically formidable beings who survived for hundreds of millenias in conditions few of us would survive for more than a few days or weeks, yet ate whatever they could find or catch. The summum of how far this 'lifestyle' has gone is an example I heard about when still in the Army: a young soldier serving in Afghanistan and stuck with his platoon atop a hill surrounded by the enemy complained that there were no vegan field rations in the lot dropped by helicopter. He was quickly told to eat what was available and to shut up.


message 28: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments Fried chicken livers wrapped in bacon is about the worst thing you can eat, according to just about everyone.

So, what's your favorite forbidden treat?


message 29: by Michel (new)

Michel Poulin Definitely hot dog sausage bits wrapped in bacon, with poutine on par with it.


message 30: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments Sounds like I might like poutine. What is it?


message 31: by Michel (new)

Michel Poulin Poutine was invented in Québec a few decades ago and consist of french fries topped with curds of cheese (often mozzarella but can vary), on which you pour hot brown gravy sauce (lots of it). You can vary your poutine by adding bits of meat cut in small pieces in it (lots of meat in my case), with a wide choice of meat/seafood possible. Typically, you can use sausage bits, pulled pork, chicken, smoked meat, lobster, steak, bacon or whatever you can think of/like. It looks like nothing and it certainly isn't a health food, but once you eat one you are hooked for life. If you live in Florida, you may find places operated by Québec expats that serve poutine. Other places in the USA have started serving poutine, often under a different name.


message 32: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 16028 comments Michel wrote: "poutine, often under a different name..."

what does putin have to do with all this?-:)


message 33: by Michel (new)

Michel Poulin Nik, I assure you that poutine tastes a lot better than Putin (pun intended).


message 34: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments Well, Nik, I started this poutine discussion by saying that a healthy lifestyle is good, but you should be able to have forbidden pleasures, and I asked what those would be. My doc, whom I saw today for my yearly checkup, believes in strictly "eating clean." He frowned at me today, as I've gained 5 pounds since my checkup last year. But I noticed that he doesn't seem at all a happy person. I even asked him how he was doing, as I was concerned that he had no joy. So, I guess I'd have to ask the question, How do you personally define being "healthy"?


message 35: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments As health is usually counted as an aspect of wealth, I hope it's still an acceptable topic here on WWW, although my question is of a personal nature. Have any of you had knee problems? I've had pretty bad knee pain for three months or so, hoping it will just go away. I've tried losing weight, exercise, heating pads and over-the-counter pain meds, yet it persists. I'd like to avoid surgery. Any suggestions for relief before I finally break down and go to the doc?


message 36: by Lizzie (new)

Lizzie | 1847 comments My knee pain started a year ago last fall. First in my right knee. Then my left. I have early stages of arthritis. I tried physical therapy, the goal being to strengthen the other parts in your legs. It didn't help. The PT people told me I have very good flexability and strength. I tried the steroid shot. It didn't help at all. I used to walk 5 miles a day, but now 1/4 mile and the right knee hurts, 1/2 mile and the left one does. Then because I am no longer walking like a I used to, my lower back hurts and my butt (the sciatica nerve?). So it's just live with it. I am no where near the stage of needing a replacement. I wear a basic elastic brace over it for walking or long drives, do a lot of epsom salt baths, and have herbal sprays and rubs that I used on my knees and my arms. Because of kidney disease discovered this past May, I had to stop taking aspirin. I can only take Tylenol, which doesn't work as well.

I had just hoped if I caught it early and did something I might have better outcomes than what happened with my CT, tendonitis, and nerves in my arms, which I ignored for many years, until I could no longer function. I had weight issues in the past, but that went away with my 2nd husband, my kids grown and living alone, so I have been from 100 to 120 lbs, usually 115, since 2010.


message 37: by Lizzie (new)

Lizzie | 1847 comments Scout wrote: "I'm wondering why you can't sleep. When you lie down at night, what happens that makes sleep impossible? I know that when I can't go to sleep it's because my mind won't shut off and stays active."

They don't know why. I don't have apnea. When I was working, I knew it was because my mind was thinking about stuff, so I would get up and write or type it out to empty my brain. Since accepting that I am permanently disable and not going to get better, it's not me thinking about stuff. They believe the constantly waking up after falling asleep is the pain levels from the neuropathy.

I have always had sleep problems. As a kid, my dad would find me passed out in other rooms in the house, the garden, the dog house, the dining room table. Except that all the tests resulted in they don't know why my kidneys suddenly stopped working at normal levels, some of what they tested for, if it had been positive, would have also explained the sleep problem.

The bellesomra did help me fall asleep, at a high enough dosage, but I can't afford it and medicare doesn't cover it. But, since I am on medicare I don't qualify to get those coupons and special rates/help from the pharmaceutical companies. (I am sure you have seen some of those commericals for other meds that if you can't afford the mediciation . . . ).


message 38: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 6151 comments Thanks for your reply Lizzie. There's a clinic in town advertising minimally invasive procedures. and free evaluations. I may try it


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