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message 1: by MeerderWörter (new)

MeerderWörter | 2388 comments I read this article today:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/7...

My reaction is that I wasn't sure if I wouldn't have to go puke into the toilet.
Using another person's body part for YOUR beauty standard is NOT OKAY! It makes me sick, and no, it does NOT make a difference for me where this boy grows up. It does not make a difference whether this boy was born in Korea or the US. IT DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

There is such a huge hypocrisy around genital mutilation, and I get sick from it. We all decry female genital mutilation, and RIGHTLY SO, but we bat an eye when it comes to intersex genital mutilation and male genital mutilation. When in fact, "A ban on Intersex genital mutilation is necessary as IGM is equatable with female genital mutilation that takes place within hospital settings." (Vienna Statement, OII Europe)

I will always stand for bodily integrity, whether that is for males, females or intersex people. The Human Rights of a person need to be respected, always, not at our convenience.

If you are okay with this "beauty care" or not deeply bothered by it, then you should really ask yourself and figure out why that is the case.


message 2: by MeerderWörter (new)

MeerderWörter | 2388 comments Keith wrote: "https://quartzy.qz.com/1230002/sandra...

"When I read that New York City-based celebrity facialist Georgia Louise gave Sandra Bullo..."


I'm still sick to my stomach and I'm still sick that nobody cares.


message 3: by Pam (new)

Pam | 1091 comments Mod
Would approving stem cell research end this? Or would that make it worse?


message 4: by MeerderWörter (new)

MeerderWörter | 2388 comments Pam wrote: "Would approving stem cell research end this? Or would that make it worse?"

I don't think it would be. I think it would only make it worse...

Since when are human rights abuses okay?
Hm, but well, I know very well myself why they are...


message 5: by [deleted user] (new)

Hello!

If it comes from a baby or a living person, to me, it is awful.

Now, I am wondering if they are talking about real baby skins/tissues or stem cells. Stem cells can be found everywhere, I am not an expert at all but to the best of my knowledge you can extract stem cells from:
- bone marrow
- umbilical cord
- embryo/foetus
- and so on...

I understand that some people would be shocked if a embryo is used as a medecine in order to save a baby. Some people are also outraged because of stem cells wherever they come from.

Here is my point of view about stem cells. As long as it does not come from someone/something who/which is not considered as living being then I am fine.
If it is for medical applications, I'll support it.
If it is for men and women to look like plastic faces without wrinkles, any expression, beauty spot etc... then... I think they should use their money to fund the noble medical applications.

But still, no one should use living being at their expense!

Just my opinion and I know that people will disagree.


message 6: by Robert (new)

Robert Smart | 359 comments Some of these celebrities utilizing this treatment are supporters of the #MeToo movement. It is kind of upsetting that they must fail to realize in supporting/utilizing this treatment they are in actuality being hypocritical.

#MeToo Is Not a Cis Gender Woman Only movement! It is supposed to cover Rape and Sexual Assault which can happen to Anyone at Anytime, Any ware without any gender bias. I also include Genital Mutilation as a form of sexual assault because it is!

So therefore how may I ask is it okay to support the #MeToo movement if you are one of the people who prescribes to this form of treatment and not realize that you are essentially adding to the problem that you are supposed to be fighting against?


message 7: by [deleted user] (last edited May 25, 2018 04:23AM) (new)

That is true Keith. At one point people are accountable for their act, some of them will probably claim "we did not know!" Fair but it does not take away any responsability, then forgiveness happens but forgiving someone whom the motivation is selfish and doubtful...

Robert, I am afraid that many public persons who are fighting against discriminations are actually contributing to others. Some of them know it while another part is not aware of what they do (just like us). Nobody is perfect, but someone who is doing such things on purpose with a doubtful motivation only deserves disdain. But sometime you need those people to remove one discrimination, it does not mean you like them, it does not mean you are forgiving them and it does not mean they will not be accountable for their actions.

Little advice only rely on people you know well and do not have too high expectations from the others. Be inspired by someone else actions and value but not by his/her person because the best guide you will meet is yourself in that way the disappointment will be limited.


message 8: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (lesliejean43) | 88 comments MeerderWörter wrote: "I read this article today:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/7...

My reaction is that I wasn't sure if I wouldn't have..."


Excellent post, Meerder!


message 9: by Pam (last edited May 25, 2018 01:35PM) (new)

Pam | 1091 comments Mod
Derailing a bit, but as our book this month is Radium Girls and the impact of SCIENCE on lives... I wanted to stick with stem cell research.

Stem Cells are a hot topic because of how/ where the cells are located. As Florian mentioned... the cells can be taken from:

- bone marrow
- umbilical cord
- embryo/foetus

And foreskin from circumcised penises which is genital mutilation and should be considered sexual assault.

We gave out Noble Prizes when stem cell research was first discovered as it is a means to unprecedented levels of healing. To which we have only started looking into the matter before religious AND human rights leaders both stepped in and halted further work.

Yes, right now the limited research has been monetized to help with beauty products, but it also has led to work that may one day prevent or cure diseases including different cancers, diabetes, spinal cord injuries, Alzheimer's, MS, Huntington's, Parkinson's, etc.

Currently stem cells taken from umbilical cords /bone marrow/ and penis do not last as long as embryo/fetus. Embryo/ Fetus cells are currently illegal in many countries to work on because of the moral implications involved.

And... sharing the capitalist argument (which does not reflect my own personal argument): companies invest in research to make money. They pour millions of dollars into work in order to make billions back. So yes, beauty companies are supporting research to make facial creams that have stem cells that have come from these before mentioned body parts.

- What is your stance on stem cell research?
- If stem cell research should be fully legalized, would it end the current use of foreskin from circumsision?
- If stem cell research should continue to be illegal, should we add the use of circumcised foreskin to also be illegal? Should we expand the legality on parts of the body being used?
- If we legalize stem cell research... do we run the risk of creating mills? Graphic warning. (view spoiler)
- Who should be paying for research? We're fine if it's used for medical purposes, but not in the beauty industry. Do consumers get a right to dictate this?
- If companies began gathering stem cells from umbilical cords or bone marrow instead of foreskin... would you buy their products?
- How much information should be explained to the consumer on an ingredient label?


message 10: by [deleted user] (new)

Stem cells, interesting topic, maybe a thread should be created since it approaches several points covered in different suggested books. Right now it makes me think about the beauty myth and radium girls.


message 11: by [deleted user] (new)

Hello!

I wanted to wait other people to answer the questions Pam approached but apparently nobody seem to be inspired :)


- What is your stance on stem cell research?

>>For now, stem cell research is an important field to study. Right now, I am thinking about skin graft for patients suffering severe burns, or to cure some diseases (and let's be clear, age is not a diseases! we must accept that).

- If stem cell research should be fully legalized, would it end the current use of foreskin from circumsision?

>>I do not think it would end it unless the price of the later one is higher than the "ethic" one. We will always find some people who are more interested in themselves than ethic until we resolve this problem of course :)

- If stem cell research should continue to be illegal, should we add the use of circumcised foreskin to also be illegal? Should we expand the legality on parts of the body being used?

>>Circimcised foreskin should be of course be illegal if it is taken from living being. Then the question could be what if you take it from someone freshly dead? ok that sounds horrible but this question must be approached! Does it make it more ethical? (I am not taking any side, I am just writing a question).

- If we legalize stem cell research... do we run the risk of creating mills?

>> the risk is always present, and no laws can prevent this to happen, only inspiration, values, moral and love can do that. If an increadible discovery is made, patents can be happen but if it is too dangerous because humanity is not wise enough for this maybe secret is the best solution.


- Who should be paying for research?

>> Right now, public institutions and companies (let's be honest) which are mainly motivated by making money are funding it. One of my dream would be that a few companies make money from right and ethical practices and products and use the benefits to fund great cause such as research and fight against discriminations. Those companies probably do exist but they seem to be too small and not many.
Indirectly, the consumers would fund it but they won't have any influence on the way those research would take.

- We're fine if it's used for medical purposes, but not in the beauty industry. Do consumers get a right to dictate this?

>> I am totally fine for medical purposes but not for the utilization of beauty industry. Why? Because in our societies (I do not know if it is western only or not), people needs to have perfect skins, perfect body, we need to hide all the physical default. To me, it sounds like not accepting who we are, it sounds like running away and hiding and I do not like it, this does not seems healthy for humanity. It contributes to low moral, low self-esteem and this I cannot like it!
Moreover, I have the feeling that beauty is, in our daily life, perceived as physical attraction. In my opinion, who we are inside is way more important.
If beauty industry was the developpment of the being/self then I would support it but it is not.
To the best of my knowledge the reason why nature shines is mainly because of defaults.
Also I do not like hedonism and somehow, it is to be quite correlated to beauty industry.

- If companies began gathering stem cells from umbilical cords or bone marrow instead of foreskin... would you buy their products?

>> Difficult question, because here our motivations are in the core of the questions. In the case of health, yes I would probably buy it, in the case of personnal confort and hedonism I would not buy it because it is not how I behave and who I am. This is a personal question and it is difficult to argue on that :)

- How much information should be explained to the consumer on an ingredient label?

>> Every single ingredients (packaging included), how it is produce (not the exact process, but the chemicals used and the energy), the impact on the environment, the toxicity etc...


message 12: by caitlyn (new)

caitlyn This is really, truly disgusting. As the article quite rightly says, what if it had been a baby girl? MGM is just as awful and horrifying as FGM, and both need to be stopped as soon as possible. I honestly think that anyone who uses these "penis facials" needs to actually think, think about where it comes from, what happens to those poor boys. Because maybe if they thought about it, then they would see how utterly disgusting it is


message 13: by MeerderWörter (new)

MeerderWörter | 2388 comments Caitlyn wrote: "This is really, truly disgusting. As the article quite rightly says, what if it had been a baby girl? MGM is just as awful and horrifying as FGM, and both need to be stopped as soon as possible. I ..."

I wish I could give you a thumbs up for this. Well, here it is:
*thumbs up*


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