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Please post your general questions about the Summer 2018 Challenge here. Specific questions about individual tasks should be posted in the Help Threads for those tasks. You may find answers to some questions in FAQs.


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message 3: by Trish (last edited Jun 01, 2018 08:04AM) (new)

Trish (trishhartuk) | 2693 comments So, I have a book I want to read, with the MPG Childrens. The AR information is isn't in the UK version at all. It is in the US version: AR Quiz No. 143032 EN Fiction; IL: MG+ - BL: 4.2 - AR Pts: 10.0. AR Quiz Types: RP, VP

Looking at the children's rules, it says that MG+ can be used with no restrictions. However, it also says that MG must have a BL of 5.0 or higher, which this doesn't.

I've never seen an MG+ book with a BL of less than 5.0 until this one, so I thought I'd better check which rule takes precedence in this particular case.


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Bianca Rose (biancarose) | 249 comments Hi, I have a different general question. I often use the mobile phone goodreads app. For the last two seasons, I have been able to read all topics except the task list. When I open the tasks, the whole app has a freak out and shuts down. Has anyone else had this problem? And does anyone know how to fix it? Thanks!


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Sandy | 16697 comments Mod
Trish wrote: "So, I have a book I want to read, with the MPG Childrens. The AR information is isn't in the UK version at all. It is in the US version: AR Quiz No. 143032 EN Fiction; IL: MG+ - BL: 4.2 - AR Pts: 1..."

If it's MG+, you don't go to the BL, etc. Stick with the interest level. Presumably, this is because there may be books for slightly older readers (thus the interest level) who are only reading at a 4th grade level.

It's not a perfect system, but it's reasonably workable!


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Sandy | 16697 comments Mod
Bianca wrote: "Hi, I have a different general question. I often use the mobile phone goodreads app. For the last two seasons, I have been able to read all topics except the task list. When I open the tasks, the w..."

I don't use the app, so can't help you on that, but maybe someone else here can. I do know that there are supposedly many issues with the app.


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Trish (trishhartuk) | 2693 comments Sandy wrote: "If it's MG+, you don't go to the BL, etc. Stick with the interest level. Presumably, this is because there may be books for slightly older readers (thus the interest level) who are only reading at a 4th grade level."

Cool. Thank you for the clarification.


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Andrea I have had the same issue with the phone app and have to log in at home to see the tasks. Though the current list was working a few days ago, so I think it may be size related (Amount of info in the post?). I have no solution but just know you are not alone. That’s why I make my reading plan post pretty specific as a reference


message 9: by Lost Planet Airman (last edited Jun 01, 2018 04:49PM) (new)

Lost Planet Airman | 179 comments If anyone sends this app problem to GR to try and turn in a trouble report, I just accessed both Spring Tasks and Summer Tasks, both successfully, from the app on the "World's Oldest Working iPhone 4S" (or so my daughter says).


message 10: by Lola (last edited Jun 02, 2018 04:35PM) (new)

Lola | 287 comments Bianca wrote: "Hi, I have a different general question. I often use the mobile phone goodreads app. For the last two seasons, I have been able to read all topics except the task list. When I open the tasks, the w..."

I have never had an issue viewing the tasks via the app on my iPhone before, but I did have the crash issue when I tried just now. Hoping it's a temporary glitch.


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Bianca Rose (biancarose) | 249 comments Hmm, maybe it is only certain types of phones. It’s not a big deal, just a little frustrating that it consistently crashes for me so need to use the computer to view tasks. No matter though, just need to find a workaround.


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Shelby (stang_lee) | 632 comments I have a general question since it's been awhile since I've participated in SRC and I want to make sure I'm reporting things correctly. If I read an ebook, that has a paperback listed, but the paperback does not list a page count do I need to post it to the verification thread? I was just noticing a number of the MM books I'm reading lately follow this format. The ebook/kindle listings have the page count, but for some reason a lot of the paperback don't.


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Dee (austhokie) | 7887 comments you can post in the librarian thread and someone can edit the paperback record to reflect the page count


message 14: by Margaret (last edited Jun 11, 2018 05:32AM) (new)

Margaret (igem36) | 221 comments I have three questions this season; I'll put each one in a separate post.

First, "advance uncorrected proofs" is the same as an ARC, right? I bought this book with that notation on the cover: Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow: My Life for task 10.3. The ISBN (9781476798806) is different from the one in the book I linked, and isn't found on Goodreads. How would I post this, if I'm allowed to use it?


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Margaret (igem36) | 221 comments Second question: (too late to avoid trouble; I just noticed it). One of my books: Goodbye, Things: The New Japanese Minimalism - the Kindle edition I read; Goodbye, Things: On Minimalist Living - the paperback I needed to cite for page count -has different subtitles for the different editions. Is this a problem?


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Margaret (igem36) | 221 comments Third question: one book I plan to read this season: El sol de Texas/ Under the Texas Sun only has the publication date 2007 listed on Goodreads. The Spanish text was actually published in 1926; I suppose the English translation for the bilingual book was done in 2007. I assume I can't use this for a Golden Oldies ticket?

This is what I get for reading such odd books!

Thanks for your help.


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Nick (doily) | 2681 comments I am reading The Poetry of Pablo Neruda and have suddenly realized I might have a problem.

Though most of the poems are English translations, every now and then a poem appears in its original Spanish, which I do not read. I have skimmed the pages, and it appears that about 80 pages of the text are in Spanish. (Not many, but some poems are given in the original Spanish, then with a translation.)

1) Does this mean I cannot get credit for reading the entire book?

2) If I can get credit -- which I really want -- then the book has 996 pages, of which 80 are in a language I do not read. I should still be able to claim 2 BB tickets, correct?

Thanks.


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Dlmrose | 18228 comments Mod
Margaret wrote: "I have three questions this season; I'll put each one in a separate post.

First, "advance uncorrected proofs" is the same as an ARC, right? I bought this book with that notation on the cover: [bo..."


Yes, that's an advance reader copy. You can use it. Link to the edition that is closest to the ARC and include that is was an ARC in your post.


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Dlmrose | 18228 comments Mod
Margaret wrote: "Second question: (too late to avoid trouble; I just noticed it). One of my books: Goodbye, Things: The New Japanese Minimalism - the Kindle edition I read; [book:Goodbye, Things: On..."

Different editions may have different subtitles. The edition you read is the one that you use to fulfill a task.
If you read an ebook the print edition is just used to verify the page numbers.


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Dlmrose | 18228 comments Mod
Margaret wrote: "Third question: one book I plan to read this season: El sol de Texas/ Under the Texas Sun only has the publication date 2007 listed on Goodreads. The Spanish text was actually publis..."

You would need to have a GR librarian take a look and make any necessary updates or corrections to the first published date before you could claim a ticket.


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Dee (austhokie) | 7887 comments Margaret wrote: "Third question: one book I plan to read this season: El sol de Texas/ Under the Texas Sun only has the publication date 2007 listed on Goodreads. The Spanish text was actually publis..."

do you have a link that shows the 1926 publish date for this? worldcat which is the resource i use only lists 2007


message 22: by Margaret (last edited Jun 13, 2018 05:48AM) (new)

Margaret (igem36) | 221 comments Dee, I don't have anything but mentions in the intro to my book, some asides in Google Books (ex: https://books.google.com/books?id=OtY...), and a comment in the only review of the book on Goodreads.

It seems the novel wasn't translated into English until 2007, and since more than half the book is in English (147 pages vs. 110 in Spanish), it wouldn't qualify for a Golden Oldies ticket.

(j/k: I guess I could read only the Spanish and ask about counting it as "part of an omnibus", but I'm sure I'll need to resort to the translation often!)

Thanks, Dlmrose and Dee, for your thoughtful answers. (eta: and thank you, Julia!)


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Julia (julia103) | 1980 comments Dee wrote: "Margaret wrote: "Third question: one book I plan to read this season: El sol de Texas/ Under the Texas Sun only has the publication date 2007 listed on Goodreads. The Spanish text wa..."

Dee - the description on the GR book page says "...Originally published in 1926 in San Antonio, Texas as El sol de Texas, the novel chronicles the struggles of two Mexican immigrant families..."

Is that something you can use, or do you need an outside source?


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Dlmrose | 18228 comments Mod
Nick wrote: "I am reading The Poetry of Pablo Neruda and have suddenly realized I might have a problem.

Though most of the poems are English translations, every now and then a poem appears in i..."


To be used for a SRC task a book must be read completely.
There may be a few words, phrases, footnotes, passages, etc. in a language that you do not understand. You can still "read" this information by considering its context, form, origin,etc.

You would need to do more than "skim" the occasional passages, but if you do some analysis of the poem's form, pattern, etc. that would qualify as "reading".

But only you know if you have read a book completely.
We trust our members to follow this important rule.


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Dee (austhokie) | 7887 comments Julia wrote: "Dee wrote: "Margaret wrote: "Third question: one book I plan to read this season: El sol de Texas/ Under the Texas Sun only has the publication date 2007 listed on Goodreads. The Spa..."

Typically an outside source because anyone can change GR book data...I looked at WorldCat which is basically linked to the library of Congress and a record for most published works anc if listed 2007


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Julia (julia103) | 1980 comments Google Books has an image of the copyright page as part of the preview.

https://books.google.com/books?id=OtY...

It says copyright 2007 but above that says "El Sol de Texas was first printed in San Antonio, Texas in 1926"

Should I re-post this in the Librarian's Group?


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Nick (doily) | 2681 comments Dlmrose wrote: "Nick wrote: "I am reading The Poetry of Pablo Neruda and have suddenly realized I might have a problem.

Though most of the poems are English translations, every now and then a poem..."


Thanks Sandy. I think I understand. I cannot just skip over, or "skim" the poems in Spanish, but if I stop when I come to one and meticulously compare it to its English translation, word for word, phrase by phrase, then that would count as reading. That should work for me, as I read French, and I should be able to tell what is going on in the Spanish. Such meticulous reading is demanded of poetry anyway. It may take a little extra time, but I am determined. Pablo Neruda deserves his Nobel Prize, IMHO.


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Nick (doily) | 2681 comments Dlmrose wrote: "Nick wrote: "I am reading The Poetry of Pablo Neruda and have suddenly realized I might have a problem.

Though most of the poems are English translations, every now and then a poem..."


Thanks Dlmrose, for taking the time to answer these silly translation questions. As it turns out, I am not doing a very good job of translating the Spanish, taking large amounts of time at an arduous task. My library has a much slimmer volume of Neruda poetry which will fit the challenge, so I will just use that. But thanks anyway! I appreciate it.


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Ed Lehman | 717 comments I'm not sure if Just So Stories qualifies for any tasks. It has a children's MPG...and when I check it scores IL: MG - BL: 6.4 - AR Pts: 5.0. The 6.4 is higher than the minimum but the 5.0 is lower.....must both numbers be higher than the minimum, I suspect so, but I was confused by the explanation.


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Sandy | 16697 comments Mod
Ed wrote: "I'm not sure if Just So Stories qualifies for any tasks. It has a children's MPG...and when I check it scores IL: MG - BL: 6.4 - AR Pts: 5.0. The 6.4 is higher than the minimum but the..."

The rules state that both numbers must be higher than the minimum, so this doesn't work.


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Shanna_redwind | 655 comments I accidently read a 192 page Manga book. Would I be able to use it for my one 5 point task that I can read a book that's 80-99 pages?


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Dlmrose | 18228 comments Mod
Shanna_redwind wrote: "I accidently read a 192 page Manga book. Would I be able to use it for my one 5 point task that I can read a book that's 80-99 pages?"

A "192 page Manga book" would work- did you mean a 92 page manga?


message 33: by Shanna_redwind (last edited Jul 08, 2018 04:23PM) (new)

Shanna_redwind | 655 comments No, it's 192 pages. I forgot about the 200 page minimum for manga and comics and I was just being sure that the same rules would apply for the one shorter book for a graphic novel. ( 20 pages less than the minimum was what I was going by)


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Dlmrose | 18228 comments Mod
Shanna_redwind wrote: "No, it's 192 pages. I forgot about the 200 page minimum for manga and comics and I was just being sure that the same rules would apply for the one shorter book for a graphic novel. ( 20 pages less ..."

Please link to the book in question.
Graphic novels, manga or collected comic book issues must be at least 100 pages.
Collections of syndicated, periodical or internet comic strips, single or short-format panels, or cartoons must be at least 200 pages to be used for SRC tasks.


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Shanna_redwind | 655 comments Ok, I read the rule wrong. My eyes cut off the last words on the line and lumped all of the 'graphic' books together. Thanks.


Here's the book: Attack on Titan: Lost Girls The Manga, Vol. 1, but I've realized that it only needs 100 pages.


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Jenifer (jensamaha) | 365 comments What do I do if Goodreads only has foreign language version of a book that I read in English?


message 37: by Sandy (last edited Aug 13, 2018 02:33AM) (new)

Sandy | 16697 comments Mod
Jenifer wrote: "What do I do if Goodreads only has foreign language version of a book that I read in English?"

You could ask a librarian to add your edition. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

You also could double check by putting in the isbn, rather than title or author. Sometimes books get added in multiple times and the one you want may not show up - I've found that sometimes the only way to find the actual edition I read is to use the isbn.


message 38: by Jenifer (new)

Jenifer (jensamaha) | 365 comments Sandy wrote: "Jenifer wrote: "What do I do if Goodreads only has foreign language version of a book that I read in English?"

You could ask a librarian to add your edition. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/3..."


Thank you.


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Karen Michele Burns (klibrary) | 1792 comments I'm not sure where else to put this to let you know -----
I'll be heading to our no Internet Montana cabin we rent, so though I'll be reading, I probably won't post anything more this season because I won't have Internet again until the night of the 31st. See you again in fall season! Happy end of August!


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