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message 1: by Bec (new)

Bec | 28 comments So, a friend of mine posted shared the trailer for the new 50 shades of grey trailer the other day. It's a book I personally only got through the first chapter of, and that was with great effort.

I was actually just wondering if anyone else had had the same reaction of uncontrollable laughter to it?


message 2: by Melissa (new)

Melissa (veruna) | 213 comments I did! It was completely ridiculous!


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T.S. Adrian (shadyia) | 163 comments I cannot begin to get my mind around this. I mean, as a writer who has not been published (yet) I'm encouraged that people are still reading books and making those writers into near-celebrities.

A friend told me "Go look at the 50SoG trailer" and so I did...I think. This has become such a phenomenon, there are about 5 fake trailers!

Why?

Why has this book made such a splash?

Especially when you see a review of it like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlGNl...


message 4: by Bec (new)

Bec | 28 comments That review is the best. Some of the best lines being:

'Spoiler alert, this is the worst book I have ever read'
'Yeah, a sex contract. Romantic.'

Have you watched the video Guys"read" 50 shades of Grey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw9DW...

It had me laughing in hysterics.


message 5: by Felicia, Grand Duchess (new)

Felicia (feliciaday) | 740 comments Mod
I...it was bad. I dunno. It feels worse to see it in person, call me crazy, but it's so mysogynist to be beating a lady hahahahahaha

If you're into that thing, that's cool, no judgement. But this movie I think it just looks cheesy. And the lead guy doesn't feel like good casting at all. He feels a bit boring :(


message 6: by M. (new)

M. Keep (jmkeep) | 10 comments I think there's a difference between BDSM and beating a woman, but the first book is closer to the latter than the former. It was disarming to find how blurred women's tastes are towards abuse, my own included. Its interesting from a feminist and sociological viewpoint, but personally I didn't care for the book. Will likely only see the movie for the work place chit chat, because it really is a huge thing

And I'm of the mind that anything that gets people reading is a good thing, no matter how much I personally enjoy it


message 7: by Brittany (new)

Brittany (nerdyspinster) | 255 comments They showed the 50SoG trailer before the movie Lucy when I went to see that over the weekend and I laughed the entire time the trailer was playing. Pretty sure I got some stares from the people in my row. I just, ugh. Whyyyyy??? Why did they have to make a movie of that terrible piece of trash? And you're right, Felicia, the lead guy doesn't really seem like good casting. But then I heard Charlie Hunnam backed out of the role asap, so I guess they had to pick whoever would take the job?


message 8: by Shelley (new)

Shelley | 3 comments I did try to read the book. I mean, a lot of my friends were raving about it, but I just didn't get it. I have read hotter Harry Potter fan-fiction.

It was like the author had read something about a BDSM relationship and decided to whack it into a story without properly doing her research.

I can't image the movie will do much to fix what the book got so very wrong. It was more titillation than reality. But then, I suppose, maybe a realistic BDSM relationship wouldn't have made it to the number one selling lists across many a country.


message 9: by Bec (last edited Jul 29, 2014 06:51PM) (new)

Bec | 28 comments Shelley wrote: "I did try to read the book. I mean, a lot of my friends were raving about it, but I just didn't get it. I have read hotter Harry Potter fan-fiction...."

OMG!!! I'm exactly the same, I love my Harry Potter fanfic lol.

I have friends who just loved the book, and another who was like I really like the sex. Putting the BDSM aside. I was like, have you not read romance before, there are so many out there that have plenty of sex, and are written a million times better.

Some of the scenes I have heard about from friends, I don't know how they can potray on camera, because to me they where just straight up abusive, and no woman should be made to think that that is okay.


message 10: by Geohyde (new)

Geohyde | 22 comments I haven't read the book (tried to with a friend so we could make fun of it but neither of us managed to get past chapter 4 - neither did my Mum, come to think of it, and she just about never gives up on a book...) but the trailer looks like a typical if slightly stylish 90s soft porn to me. Like that string of films/episodes they did Denise Crosby had a part in? I think they played with BDSM elements there as well although I might remember it wrong.

I just really don't get what the hype is all about. It was so badly written and so unashamedly Mary Sue-ish that I wouldn't have finished it if I'd gotten paid for it. -.-


message 11: by Kristina (new)

Kristina (ibonekoen) | 3 comments Never read the book and have no desire to because I've heard enough about it to be completely turned off. If that makes me judgmental because I'm not forming my own opinions off firsthand reading, then so be it. I have avoided seeing the trailer, and I can honestly say that Jamie Dornan (the lead actor) is a good actor in the right circumstances. I loved him on Once Upon a Time, but he can do so much better than this.


message 12: by Alicia (new)

Alicia Never read it, because those kinks are not my kinks, but I encourage everyone I meet to read Helen Razor's review of 50SoG because she is hilarious and clever and insightful (I am the "Nice lady on twitter" that she refers to asking about this piece) http://badhostess.com/fiftyshades/

The other big problem I have with 50SoG without even looking at the actual quality of the writing is that it homogenises women's sexual fantasy. Back in the olden days you could buy smutty books from discrete websites, and they would be categorised as to what sort of turn-ons they catered to. Now, similar websites carry 50SoG and paint-by-numbers 50SoG clones and very little else. Obviously, there are now other places where you can buy this stuff, but clearly the marketing departments have decided that this kind of BDSM sells to the exclusion of all else.


message 13: by Kat (new)

Kat | 27 comments I read the first book just to see what the hype was about. Then I read the next one thinking surely it would be better. Yeah, no. The only good thing I can say about it is that it has opened a lot of women up to the Romance/Erotica genre.
That said, I'll probably watch the movie when it goes to Netflix. It's bound to make a good drinking game. (Though, I must confess...had they cast Ian Somerhalder, I probably would see it opening weekend.)


message 14: by Brittany (last edited Jul 31, 2014 10:35AM) (new)

Brittany (nerdyspinster) | 255 comments Kristina wrote: "Never read the book and have no desire to because I've heard enough about it to be completely turned off. If that makes me judgmental because I'm not forming my own opinions off firsthand reading, ..."

He was on Once Upon a Time??? How did I miss that? Who did he play?

Edit: Just looked it up on IMDB and he was the sheriff in season 1! Man, it sucks that he's in 50SoG, because he was really good on OUaT and I can't imagine this movie gig doing anything for him.


message 15: by Kristina (new)

Kristina (ibonekoen) | 3 comments Yep, he played Graham! I really can't see this movie doing anything for him other than getting him ridiculed :/ Nobody will take him seriously after this, I'm afraid, or he'll get typecast.


message 16: by Audrey (new)

Audrey (reynolau) | 4 comments I thought the trailer looked good! Not as in, 'wow, this film will be good' but rather 'wow I'm surprised they got enough plot of that book to make an entire trailer, never mind movie.'


message 17: by Catherine (new)

Catherine (catheybleu) | 4 comments I've never read the book, so I can't speak to that aspect, but the trailer made it seem like a bad fanfic. I'm pretty much expecting Twilight, just with BDSM and fewer sparkly boys.

I loved this actor on Once Upon a Time, but I don't like him for this role.


message 18: by Caitlin (new)

Caitlin I appreciated the trailer because someone tweeted about it and said people should just watch Secretary instead. I would never have watched that movie if it wasn't for this trailer :)


message 19: by Alicia (new)

Alicia Catherine wrote: "I've never read the book, so I can't speak to that aspect, but the trailer made it seem like a bad fanfic. I'm pretty much expecting Twilight, just with BDSM and fewer sparkly boys.

I loved this a..."


That was how it started, wasn't it?


message 20: by Kate (last edited Aug 01, 2014 02:03AM) (new)

Kate | 1 comments Yes it was. Twilight fanfiction.

I got through the books .... just ....... but I won't see the movie as it looks pretty lame.


message 21: by PointyEars42 (new)

PointyEars42 | 476 comments Caitlin wrote: "I appreciated the trailer because someone tweeted about it and said people should just watch Secretary instead. I would never have watched that movie if it wasn't for this trailer :)"

Secretary is BRILLIANT, isn't it? People look at me strangely when I say that its one of my Top 5 fav romance movies.


message 22: by T.S. (new)

T.S. Adrian (shadyia) | 163 comments Does anyone honestly believe the movie will be as graphic as the book? Nope. Even "Eyes Wide Shut" had its orgy scenes remastered so that people were spared looking at couples having casual sex.


But please--everyone--answer me this question:

Why? Why is "50SoG" so big? You cannot swing a dead cat over your head without hitting someone who knows about this book. That popularity made the movie.

Why? Is it because we have a sexually repressed society and we are told this is bad? Or is it just the snowball effect. A few hundred love it, a few hundred hate it, and we hear from all of them because in the Online world, we hear from everyone everywhere all the time.

Or is it something else? What is it about this book that starts tongues a-waggin'? It's not like the sexualization (is that a word?) of women is new. Nor BSDM for that matter.

I really want to know.


message 23: by PointyEars42 (new)

PointyEars42 | 476 comments I have wondered if its because so many women live in homes and communities where being controlled and abused is so routine and inescapable that 50SoG is both familiar & an escape? It doesn't just normalise the patterns of an abusive relationship, it romanticises & eroticises it... which must be lovely if that is all you know. Maybe the lovey-dovey respectful, informed consent stuff in other romances/erotica doesn't work for someone who thinks they'll never even get close to it?

(Plus - most people are sheep who'll read any shite that's popular. People who don't read much at all - let alone read erotica - are suddenly free to read this because its a "best seller" and have no idea how badly written it is or how abusive the relationship is because they have zero basis for comparison. Oh, this book is SO bad. I was following one of those "We read 50SoG so you don't have to" blogs, and even they gave up at chapter 11 because they couldn't take it anymore.)


message 24: by Philippa (new)

Philippa | 143 comments I think it's because all of the publicity made it acceptable to read it. The media picked up on a fairly unusual circumstance - Twilight fan fiction author getting to publish books with eroticism from her fan fiction - and it's newsworthy enough that lots and lots of people decide to mention it on the news. Then people want to know what the fuss is all about and it's acceptable to be seen reading it since you can wave it off as exactly that: you're only reading it to know what is going on.

It's probably the exact same phenomena that drove the popularity of Sharknado. It's so silly and over the top that it gets a lot of notice in the media and then everyone wants to watch it to see how silly it is.


message 25: by Daphne (new)

Daphne Chennault (daphnech) | 68 comments Sharknado is nothing more than a dramatization of how bad the Syfy Channel has become. It's worse than a Drive-In theater, and has none of the socializing benefits of such a place. It is a very telling point that Sharknado was made by a company called Asylum Pictures, too!

Fifteen years ago Sy-Fy was called Sci-Fi and was doing dramatizations of real books like Dune and Wizard of Earthsea. Then something happened, probably a change of management. They added wrestling (!) to the evening lineup, and the channel went into a nosedive. I gave up on it years ago.

Ghastly trash like Sharknado just prove how awful a cable company can be if there's no accountability.


message 26: by T.S. (new)

T.S. Adrian (shadyia) | 163 comments Daphne wrote: "Fifteen years ago Sy-Fy was called Sci-Fi and was doing dramatizations of real books like Dune and Wizard of Earthsea."

I could write paragraphs about this sentence, but I don't want to derail this topic any further. But I'll just tell you Ursula K. Le Guin has disowned that venomously. Read here to know more:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/cu...

Now, back on topic:

So far, no one has given a good answer as to why "50SoG" is so popular. It's easy to stand in our snob tower and poo-poo this as trash reading for the Great Unwashed unworthy on which to polish our posteriors.

Folks, there's got to be more going on here.

This book struck a thread. Maybe it is a combination of Twilight fan fiction with sex, the need for women to read about people just as suppressed as they feel and the herd effect--a few run this way and everyone has to follow.

Or maybe there is something genuinely good here. I don't mean the writing. I know the writing is terrible. But the trailer suggests that Anastasia is led out of her shell by this man.

"Show me."

Many of us--most of us--will never experience sexual intensity at that level. Yes, yes, it is sick and perverted and sinful and wrong. And most people will never know it. Fate or society or the fat on our bodies or our choices in a mate has made many of us into nuns, even the men.

And so we read about it, because life will not allow us to experience it.

Or maybe I'm just wrong. It's happened before.


message 27: by RachelvlehcaR (new)

RachelvlehcaR (charminggirl) | 25 comments about the topic of this, I'd say the main reason why it is quite popular at this time is because of how our society is getting more voyeuristic. BDSM has been in our society for a long time, mainly as a subculture and believe me most in the so called "lifestyle" can't stand this book because it's so misleading and just brings in a bunch of soccer moms/Twilight fans to be curious about something they have read that is so misleading about the actual scene.

My favorite take on it is, 50 Shade of Herpies. There was a study done on germs on the books, especially 50 shades. They found herpies on the book, body fluids, and traces of cocaine and other drugs on the library books. So, if you plan to read this from your local library, please don't. You just might catch some nasty herpatitus.

So, back to the topic. BDSM isn't something new, we have the sleeping beauty series by Anne Rice, as well as a few others of her books. There's the Story of O that was really popular and they came out with the French movie. The Secretary, was another movie very popular. Right now, there is tons of BDSM books just booming all over and the majority of them are just garbage. I have found it's more entertaining to read them with the herpies scale and see all the lack of safe sex. As for movies, we see it more and more, people enjoying the kinkier lifestyle or chocolate world. There is nothing wrong with exploring that, but please do it safely. I just see it as more popular with the constant flow of technology and its advances. We are able to see more, experience more and through the safety of our homes. You see more rubber, leather, and bondage gear out there. It's nothing new but more in the spotlight, now becoming more acceptable. Go to clubs and you see it everywhere.

Personally, I can't stand the book, couldn't even finish it because I felt the writing was horrible but the message was even worse. The Kink world is not like that and sorry ladies the chances of finding a rich good looking guy that's going to change your sexual world like that is very slim to none. It's clear that he wasn't looking for a connection, just getting his sexually jollies off.

That's what my take is on it.


message 28: by Daphne (new)

Daphne Chennault (daphnech) | 68 comments Actually, Shady, I am well aware that Le Guin disowned the production. My point in citing it was to say that there had once been honest efforts made by that company. Nevermore, as the Raven said.

As to FSoG, you are correct; BDSM has been in so our culture for quite some time. With books like FSoG, Topping From Below, and others getting Into the mainstream, the reaction from the public has been curiosity and more. Because of the range of misunderstandings about the lifestyle, more and more people are taking the step to find out exactly what it is all about.

There is an excellent book on the subject, SM 101: A Realistic Introduction, by Jay Wiseman. It is probably one of the most frank and honest treatments of BDSM ever done. It gets 4.5 stars on Amazon, too.

And, the fact that the book (and FSoG) can be sold on such a public platform is a good indicator of the acceptance of the life.


message 29: by Philippa (new)

Philippa | 143 comments Shadyia wrote: So far, no one has given a good answer as to why "50SoG" is so popular. It's easy to stand in our snob tower and poo-poo this as trash reading for the Great Unwashed unworthy on which to polish our posteriors.

Folks, there's got to be more going on here."


Really? I don't think there's a lot of snobbery in this thread and while you may disagree with the explanation provided by others, I do think there are some good answers. I just don't buy that all of the popularity comes from one source. Sure, some people might be intrigued by BDSM, and some may see the titillation of reading about the type of relationship portrayed in the book. But I think an awful lot of it comes from the fact that it's completely acceptable to read it if only to trash it. (Not that it ought to be trashed necessarily - I haven't read it so I don't have an opinion - but that it's okay being seen to have read it since the acceptable response is that you were only reading it to say how bad it was.) How much of the popularity is coming from a genuine affection for the book is much harder to tease out.


message 30: by PointyEars42 (new)

PointyEars42 | 476 comments "Fiction or Not? Fifty Shades is Associated with Health Risks in Adolescent and Young Adult Females"

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full...


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