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message 1: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Apr 09, 2018 11:21PM) (new)

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This is the Glossary thread for Hillbilly Elegy.

Hillbilly Elegy A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis by J.D. Vance by J.D. Vance J.D. Vance


message 2: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Apr 09, 2018 11:23PM) (new)

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Mountain People: The Faces of Appalachia:

http://www.cvltnation.com/mountain-pe...

Source: CVLT Nation


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A Fresh Look at Appalachia—50 Years After the War on Poverty

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/ph...

Source: The National Geographic


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America's poorest county: Proud Appalachians who live without running water or power in region where 40% fall below poverty line
By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 21:11 EDT, 23 April 2012 | UPDATED: 03:45 EDT, 24 April 2012


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

Source: Daily Mail Reporter


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Another Appalachia
EMILY ANNE EPSTEIN JAN 10, 2016


https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/201...

Source: The Atlantic


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Seeing Appalachia Through the Eyes of Appalachians
Several new media projects are re-envisioning a region long stereotyped as backward and ignorant.

By Layne Amerikaner JUNE 25, 2016

https://www.thenation.com/article/see...

Source: The Nation


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War on Poverty: Portraits From an Appalachian Battleground, 1964

Ben Cosgrove
Jan 07, 2014

http://time.com/3878609/war-on-povert...

Source: Time


message 8: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Apr 09, 2018 11:31PM) (new)

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J.D Vance, Best-Selling Author Opens Up About His Painful Childhood And The Future Ahead | NBC News

https://youtu.be/Jv5pGTG_Kjc

Source: NBC


message 9: by elin (last edited Apr 10, 2018 08:13AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

elin (elinsbooks) I hope this is okay to share here. I loved this piece that Diane Sawyer had put together to show what it's like to be young in Appalachia and shows at the end a bit of promise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVkCDZ4RUIg


message 10: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

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This is exactly the thread to place it on. Thank you Elin.


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Here is the author - TED - your thoughts:

America's forgotten working class | J.D. Vance


J.D. Vance grew up in a small, poor city in the Rust Belt of southern Ohio, where he had a front-row seat to many of the social ills plaguing America: a heroin epidemic, failing schools, families torn apart by divorce and sometimes violence.

In a searching talk that will echo throughout the country's working-class towns, the author details what the loss of the American Dream feels like and raises an important question that everyone from community leaders to policy makers needs to ask: How can we help kids from America's forgotten places break free from hopelessness and live better lives?

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Link: https://youtu.be/iEy-xTbcr2A

Source: Youtube

Discussion Topic:

How can we help kids from America's forgotten places break free from hopelessness and live better lives?


Jen from Quebec :0) (muppetbaby99) | 11 comments ERIN -- Your link doesn't work for me, so I might be posting the exact same video as you without knowing- if so, I am super sorry!

Diane Sawyer (the news anchor) is FROM Kentucky, so she did a 3 part series on "The Children of the Mountains: Hidden America" which is a FANTASTIC portrayal of the area. It is as if she were told to 'try to find and film an area like the one JD Vance speaks of'!

Also, I am from a similar area myself. Around here, we say that we "live in the Appalachian Mountains", but the CANADIAN section of those hills, of course. This Diane Sawyer series? It is as if she were driving along "the back roads" of my hometown area! These videos and THIS BOOK really hit home for me. To this day, my parents live "Up on Black Cape Hill" and their street is stilla dirt/gravel road, just like when I was young. We cannot see our nearest neighbors, due to distance and the amount of forested land between all FIVE houses in our 'neighborhood'! ---Jen from Quebec :0)


"A HIDDEN AMERICA- CHILDREN OF THE MOUNTAINS- Part 1":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syUwF...


"A HIDDEN AMERICA, CHILDREN OF THE MOUNTAINS", Part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63np8...


"A HIDDEN AMERICA, CHILDREN OF THE MOUNTAINS", Part 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dcVk...

Also- the way the Americans in these videos SAY the word "Appalachia" drives me NUTS! Of course, where I live, we have a French accent to most words, and perhaps WE'RE the ones "saying it funny"....! --Jen from Quebec :0)


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For those of you who would like to participate - on youtube there is the full audiobook if you have problems getting your own copy

Hillbilly Elegy Book by J. D. Vance - Audiobook Full

https://youtu.be/stUd98HjMXc

Source: Youtube


message 14: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

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Thank you Jen - I too just realized that Elin's link did not work - I surmise she was talking about this series. A good one overall.


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elin (elinsbooks) Jennifer Lynn wrote: "ERIN -- Your link doesn't work for me, so I might be posting the exact same video as you without knowing- if so, I am super sorry!

Diane Sawyer (the news anchor) is FROM Kentucky, so she did a 3 p..."


Same series. Thanks for posting it when my link wouldn't work! I'm glad it's getting out there. Bookmarking all of these links as I go along.


message 16: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

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Terrific Elin.


message 17: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Apr 10, 2018 09:55AM) (new)

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Tanya had a comment on the book as a whole - this is a spoiler and I am placing it in spoiler html even on the glossary:

Book as a Whole:
(view spoiler)


message 18: by elin (new) - rated it 1 star

elin (elinsbooks) Tanya, these were part of my original thoughts as well.


message 19: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Apr 10, 2018 10:24AM) (new)

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Great for you both - to find the glossary thread which is a spoiler thread - and you can have these wonderful interactions with folks who have completed the book.

When we do near the end of the book itself - on the discussion thread we will open up the Book as a Whole comments and discussion but we protect that thread until then.


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We should remember that Appalachia is quite beautiful too. And what is the story of the migration of the people who ended up here.





The Appalachians Part 1
https://youtu.be/L8cu27x68Eg

The Appalachians Part 2
https://youtu.be/wn7qNeKkdHo

The Appalachians Part 3
https://youtu.be/1yQU8hmvYmM

The Appalachians Part 4
https://youtu.be/lwy_9UZMGFQ

Source: Youtube


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Vincent read the book some time ago and here are his thoughts on the Book as a Whole:

I read this book in November last year and here are my notes -
I was away and will try to read the other comment-

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This is a powerful and informative book - it concerns the rise from hillbilly poverty by a boy, and the society in which he is raised - to successful young man from this culture and shows/illustrates the values and trials of many of these folks.

The trials he faced as a youngster were really incredible for someone for a middle class background person (me) and that they exist/ have existed so long in our country is discouraging.

I must say that I question the accuracy of some of his judgements and conclusions, through the book, and think that emotion may have modified some of his comments. I thought there were no footnotes but did find a page and a half of them at the very end so maybe if I had seen them before this judgement might be different if I had checked out some items while reading.

His saving was his grandparents - the dependable ever loyal Mamaw and Papaw. Their guidance and shelter and nurturing was critical for him and they seem to have been able to accomplish this by abandoning “hillbilly land” to seek work and living space in industrial Ohio.

Also it seems that the Marine Corps were a tremendously important and critical component.
And his determination, J>D> Vance the author of this autobiographical book, is determined and strong and industrious when he got oriented and saw a path that would lead him beyond success but to his extreme success.

He seems to have though somewhat glorified some of the “honor” traits of his hillbilly brethren - If honor is offended he felt, even late in the story, that not settling a matter with fists was better because it kept him out of jail - not that it would not be justified to fight with someone who had just made a nasty gesture to him.

He also says that the government cannot solve the problems of these people but they have to work it out for themselves. But to my mind at some level the government is “ourselves” and all the successful hillbillies, like him, seem to have succeeded by moving on to greener pastures. This has always been the American way - go to the opportunity and in my mind why hillbilly folk (or coal miners) should be entitled to their “way of life” when someone else has to pay (i.e. Medicaid or Food Stamps) or they cannot fulfill their responsibilities to their children and family and community is not a valid argument.

I also note that I read this book right after Ben Sasse’s Vanishing American Adult book and boy the comparison of Mr. Sasse’s upbringing and J. D. Vance’s growing up (not even sure who really brought him up) is like a comparison of a first world country and a developing country. I would suggest that they each read the others book but more for Sasse to read the Vance book -
So this is a good book and a worthy read- maybe 3.5 stars out of five - I will give it a four and as I know it is very popular I will try to read some other reviews on Goodreads if I can.


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