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NA verses YA

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message 1: by Addison (new)

Addison Carmichael Always curious about authors' opinions regarding New Adult verses Young Adult classification. Typically YA is considered appropriate for ages 13-17 (which used to be considered "Teen"), but used to be ages 18-30 (i.e. YOUNG ADULT). Now (thanks to Twilight and the like who ambushed the classification) with the ages lines blurred, someone invented the classification of New Adult, but retailers are still not shelving this new section. So I usually tag my books with the protagonist out of high school as NA/YA, so that it will even get looked at.

Thoughts and opinions?

message 2: by Shayna (new)

Shayna | 1 comments I think either works well, however as most people are familiar with the YA term, it may be a little more effective getting the age group across.

message 3: by Addison (new)

Addison Carmichael You're probably right. Just discovered that my recent book "Guarded Wish" is being listed by 2 online retailers as "New Adult/College", so at least the term is beginning to be used more frequently. My next series is about a 17-year-old protag still in HS, so it will definitely be recognized as YA by all booksellers. Just want to target the right audience. Thanks for your input!

message 4: by Leih (new)

Leih (goodreadscomleih) | 5 comments "New Adults" are reading YA books. I've met girls in their twenties that were Twilight and Harry Potter fans. They are not just for kids and teens.

message 5: by Elizabeth (last edited Mar 29, 2018 08:25PM) (new)

Elizabeth Grotkowski | 1 comments Hi, I'm new :). Excited to be part of the group. NA to me means there will be adult themes covered from a older YA perspective. Maybe that sounds weird, but I do think of it as a hybrid genre. I know that traditionally the distinction is based on age of character and situation ie the NA protagonist is in college, or an internship, or starting a first full- time job. I see it as the NA protagonist, though older than the YA one, still being challenged with "firsts" while retaining an inner innate optimism expressed through a lack of cynicism. By my definition, The Crown of Rose and Thorns series would be included in the NA genre.

message 6: by Addison (new)

Addison Carmichael Awesome comment. I think there are a lot of cross-over's, as long as the distinction is definitely over 16. At least now the "New Adult" classification is really beginning to gain ground, and it will probably take retailers and booksellers time to figure out where to shelf them.

message 7: by Julie (new)

Julie G (JulieG-EPIC) | 3 comments Another newbie here! I am an author with this very dilemma. My YA sci-fi romance was recently reviewed as "too juvenile," possibly because it lacks any foul language or explicit sex scenes. I had initially classified it under New Adult & College in Amazon, but have since reclassified under Juvenile romance and Juvenile Sci-Fi. I am still unsure though, since my heroine is 19 years old, and the themes are not particularly juvenile. I just hate it when readers are disappointed and not getting what they were expecting! Where do you guys think I should classify it? Also unsure about the paranormal/sci-fi genres, but I'll ask on the other thread related to that. Thanks! :-)

message 8: by Addison (new)

Addison Carmichael If she's 19, then NA/YA. They can cross over some. In my opinion, whoever reviewed it as too juvenile because it lacked bad language and porno scenes needs to re-evaluate their mindset and writing standards. I once read an excellent book called the Zen of Writing. A really thick book that made me rethink a lot of standard writing formulas. In one chapter he addressed the issue of bad language, stating that unless it serves a purpose, bad language is just hack writing. In fact, he made the point so effectively that I remember it years later. He stated in this 800 page writing text that less is always more, and to make anything memorable once is F-ing enough. LOL I always remembered that. FYI - same thing with sex scenes. As the writing saying goes AASS (it's All About the Story Stupid). If it don't fit, don't add it. Hope this helps!

message 9: by Julie (new)

Julie G (JulieG-EPIC) | 3 comments Addison wrote: "If she's 19, then NA/YA. They can cross over some. In my opinion, whoever reviewed it as too juvenile because it lacked bad language and porno scenes needs to re-evaluate their mindset and writing ..."

Thanks Addison! To be fair to the reviewer, she had many other issues with my writing as well. I just read between the lines based on the other books she reviewed and enjoyed. I'll have to check out The Zen of Writing, thanks! :-)

message 10: by Angelique (new)

Angelique (angeliquelamour) | 2 comments My dad didn't often use bad language--sometimes he did but it was always necessary to the story--he used to say with all the jobs he did in his youth on ships, in mines, in the circus he rarely heard bad language--swearwords etc. He also wrote a lot of books with no sex sometimes romance but not two in a bed. I just took JudyBlume's class on Masterclass and she talks about needing to use the f word in one of her books and the furor it caused --but it was exactly what that character would say at that point. There is a lot more to writing YA/NA beyond cussing and sex. Also I do find that kids like to read about people older than them--I began reading trixie belden(who was 13/14/15 when I was 7 or 8(I was an advanced reader) and Nancy Drew around 11

message 11: by Addison (new)

Addison Carmichael Awesome comment, Angelique. Again, unless the story, character, situation calls for it, there's no point and it's just hack writing to get a cheap rise or emotion. A good writer will find better, stronger ways to get those across. If they are used, it should be sparingly enough to make a proper impact. Think in terms of Gone With the Wind and when Rhett Butler said AT THE VERY END "Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn." We all remember that, because it was PERFECTLY placed.

message 12: by Angelique (new)

Angelique (angeliquelamour) | 2 comments Exactly! Addison this is so right!
I am staying away from writing sex scenes at the moment—perhaps for the rest of time! It would have to be a must in the story itself for me to do it. But that doesn’t mean there won’t be romance, flirting, sexual tension etc it just means you have to Serve the Piece. If the moment warrents sex or cussing it does but there is no reason to put it there—Barbara Cartland—bestselling romance writer of all time I think even today—had her leads kiss ON THE LAST PAGE! Talk about building romance and tension! I only read one but she was known for it.

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