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message 1: by Candy (last edited Jan 01, 2018 02:52PM) (new)

Candy | 2730 comments Mod
Happy new year Shakespeare's Fans!!!

Hope you all have the most amazing year with all kinds of benefits and learning and magic!

What are some of the goals and plans you have this year?

Next month my husband and I are taking a train from Chicago to Alberque New Mexico...where I am presenting a paper at the Southwest Conference for Popular Culture.
My husband will have a booth in the conference lobby to sell his art work with other other booths and artisans/writers. I will be jumping around hearing all kinds of lectures.
Here is the group I am with...

February, 2018 4:45 PM – 6:15 PM Cormac McCarthy 1: Revising Violence, Evil, and Power in Blood Meridian (Fiesta III Katherine Sugg)

Proposals : Yahwism and Gunpowder: Blood Meridian’s Judge Holden as the Prophet Elijah, Wielding Anaximander: A Study of the Intellectual Roots of the Judge’s Evil in Blood Meridian, Questions of Power, Agency, and Abjection in Blood Meridian: Kid vs. Judge
Presenters : Christopher Porter, Eric Howerton , Katherine Sugg

February, 2018 9:45 AM – 11:15 AM Cormac McCarthy 2: Futurity and Prophecy in Cormac McCarthy (Fiesta III Katherine Sugg)

Proposals : “Everything Uncoupled From Its Shoring”: The Road’s Placeless South in the Globalized Order, Cormac McCarthy’s Outer Dark: The Tinkerer, Classic Prophecy, and the (Initial) Refusal of the Child to Die, The Suppressed Design of THE COUNSELOR and NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN Viewed Through Spenser’s EPITHALAMION.
Presenters : Claire Martin, Daniel Weiss, Candy Minx

Then by the spring I plan on driving out to the west coast to help a friend convert her barn into a guest house. I will see my family out there too in Canada.

I hope to get into some discussions with you folks around here...hopefully our energy will be refreshed from the holiday and winter us a chance to connect here. I'll continue to post the weekly Sonnet...even if no one shows up.

I've had a number of personal messages from members here saying they do lurk...they read along...and they really want to join in discussion its a matter of making time.

Its easy all you need to do is jump in!

What are some of your dreams or goals this year? I'd love to hear them!


message 2: by Lucinda (last edited Jan 02, 2018 02:26AM) (new)

Lucinda Elliot (lucindaelliot) | 583 comments Candy, you are a model of vitality and creative endeavour. Happy New Year to you, and all the other members.
This year I want to write a novella, to bring out on the bicentenary of The Peterloo Massacre of 1819. I don't know if people in the US have heard of it, but it's the brtual attack on the Manchester cotton workers by the Yeomanary cavalry that inspired Shelley to write those immortal lines: 'Rise like lions after slumber, Rise in unvanquishable Number.'
Loads of research required, of course, and I have a heap of books on my desk and will see if I can get specialised information from the museums in Manchester.
I also want to read another Shakespeare play this year. But which one? I have read Henry IV part I, but never parts I and III. I am ashamed to admit I have never read 'The Tempest'. Oddly enough, I was thinking about 'Anthony and Cleopatra' (I always call it 'Tone and Cleo') the other day, and how I enjoyed the play, but the BBC depiction I saw years ago seemed to miss the note somehow. The female lead was so loud, not in a 'Give 'em hell' way, but in her 'clamorous grief' - not sure where I got that quote; maybe it comes from the play itself...

message 3: by Candy (new)

Candy | 2730 comments Mod
Hi Lucinda, great to hear from you.

I am not familiar with the Peterloo Massacre and just now looked at a couple of sites about the event. I am sure you are going to do an astounding job of it! Thanks for sharing some of your plans.

I had a customer the other day and he had a Walter Benajamin book and a note pad....looked like a grad student. He was. He said his advisor for his PHD....said ONLY read what is directly relevant to your work.


Best of luck and hope to see you around here when you have the time

Happy new year Lucinda!

message 4: by Lucinda (new)

Lucinda Elliot (lucindaelliot) | 583 comments Thank you, Candy, and I'll keep an eye on what's happening on here. I think if we only read what is relevant to our work, we end up lke efficient cogs, not fully rounded, somehow! I was sorry to miss my favourite tragedy/history play, 'Julius Caesar' last year....

message 5: by Janice (JG) (new)

Janice (JG) Happy New Year Candy! I don't make New Year's Resolutions, but if I did, it would be to get back to engaging with the sonnets, and reading the plays with the group. As it is, it is my intention, even if not a resolution. There are so few groups, if any, that concentrate solely on Shakespeare. Why is that?

Is there a list or a plan for play readings in 2018? We read so many comedies last year, I think I'm ready to take on some meaty dramas now.

message 6: by Lucinda (new)

Lucinda Elliot (lucindaelliot) | 583 comments Happy New Year, Janice. One of my New Year's resolutions is to go back to participating in this group. It is the one I hope to keep! I'd be interested to hear of any proposed readings.

message 7: by Paula (new)

Paula As for my goals with reading, I always list a biography or memoir to read every year. I also pick at least 2 non-fiction books on subjects new to me or to learn more about my work-life goals.
I've created a list of yearly goals for the past 5 or 6 years and keep it in my calendar to take out and get motivated ... or to check one off! (That's always satisfying.) When I haven't achieved a goal during the year, I don't let it bother me too much. I may or may not add it to the next year, after I evaluate how important it is to me or how realistic it will be during the coming year.
Thanks for asking and for moderating our group.

message 8: by Lucinda (new)

Lucinda Elliot (lucindaelliot) | 583 comments Anyone, like me, eager to fit in a Shakespeare play even if busy? I think one of the problems is that everyone dreads 'Leading the Discussion' as it's time consuming digging out links and so on and it can be humilating if you only have one person joining in - well, on a discussion on 'All's Well That Ends Well a few years ago (not the latest one), it ended up with me alone posting, so I felt like a lunatic talking to herself. Hopefully, some people were reading.
Candy deserves a medal for keeping on as group moderator, when she is so busy herself.

message 9: by Janice (JG) (new)

Janice (JG) Lucinda wrote: "Anyone, like me, eager to fit in a Shakespeare play even if busy? I think one of the problems is that everyone dreads 'Leading the Discussion' as it's time consuming digging out links and so on and..."

Good, Lucinda, I'm glad you have decided to hang in there. I am not here as much as I'd like to be, but I have not abandoned the group. And yes, it's amazing how Candy keeps this group open and interesting all on her own.

message 10: by Cynda (new)

Cynda Hi. I'm new here. I was part of anotjer Shakes geoup, but no one hardly talked. You all talk. So I will be here.
I found this group when I saw that three of my GR friends are here:
Anastasia, Melody, and James. I would rather hang out with my friends when talking about lit.

message 11: by Lucinda (new)

Lucinda Elliot (lucindaelliot) | 583 comments Hello, Janice and while it is Candy's part as group moderator to welcome Cynda, I'll be cheeky and say 'Welcome to the group'.
As I see it, I think I said it elsewhere on a discussion on here - repetitive, or what? - reading Shakespeare arouses deep emotions, as reading light fiction doesn't. I don't know how many people relate to this. This can be painful and cathartic, and I hope I don't sound pretentious in saying so.
I was surprised to read (not here) that some people claim that at moments of personal crises (berevaement, serious worries etc) they turn to reading escapist trash (by way of an irrelevant side not, I was interested to find the expression 'trash' in Shakespeare - in 'Julius Caesar') .I enjoy a bit of trash myself, but I know it for what it is, and for me, it's Shakespeare every time for bringing personal sorrows into perspective.
That was a very personally revealing post forsomeone British...

message 12: by Cynda (new)

Cynda Lucinda wrote: "Hello, Janice and while it is Candy's part as group moderator to welcome Cynda, I'll be cheeky and say 'Welcome to the group'.
As I see it, I think I said it elsewhere on a discussion on here - re..."

Thanks Lucinda. It is nice to be welcomed by anyone of the group :-) I have turned to Hamlet when I feel a bit trapped by my perceptions.
Hamlet: I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space.
Hamlet: . . . there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.
So another reason I feel comfortable here already.
Have a beautiful day Lucinda.

message 13: by Lucinda (last edited Jan 14, 2018 05:35AM) (new)

Lucinda Elliot (lucindaelliot) | 583 comments You are so right, Cynda.
One of my favourites for cathartic tragedy is in King Lear, Edmund's comment when he is dying, and discovers that Goneril has poisoned Reagan over him: 'Yet Edmund was beloved'. He has acted very evilly; but his motivation is made clear, in four words.
Then there is Brutus's, 'I shall find time, Cassisus.' And he never does...

message 14: by Candy (new)

Candy | 2730 comments Mod
Hello...what a lovely surprise to see so many comments here.

And welcome Cynda!!!! Hope you find some challegges and topics you are interested in!

All of us together...are what keeps discussion's so easy to lose momentum as Lucinda says...if we are posting feels like a lunatic.

It is the leap of faith...just post...just think and write a's mazing how confidence grows and how one's passion...will help one and time to participate here.

I have found when we have a couple of memory gets jogged and my motivation grows. I tend to get very excited and return to read and discuss stuff. It's that first jump into the river that can slow one down...

We can try to figure out a new reading list this year...I will start a thread. Even if it takes us some time to work out a schedule...

message 15: by Janice (JG) (new)

Janice (JG) When you start the reading list thread, Candy, could you post the link in this thread? It will make it easier for me to get to it, and whatever saves me time and effort is a plus : )

message 16: by Candy (new)

Candy | 2730 comments Mod
Okay I will post the link.

I’m just on Amtrak returning to Chicago. I should tidy up and link things late tonight or tomorrow.

For anyone interested in the Southwest Conference on Popukar Culture I just attended...I posted a lot of photos on my blog. Scroll down for the past week


message 17: by Mohammed (new)

Mohammed Humran | 1 comments Happy new year ,

message 18: by Candy (new)

Candy | 2730 comments Mod
Janice...does this link help you find the topic thread?

message 19: by Janice (JG) (new)

Janice (JG) Candy wrote: "Janice...does this link help you find the topic thread?"

Yes, thank you... the discussion has just taken off!

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