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message 1: by Niki Hawkes, I made it past GOTM... barely (new)

Niki Hawkes - The Obsessive Bookseller | 7427 comments Mod
This is a Buddy Read for House of Chains by Steven Erikson starting June 29, 2018.
House of Chains (The Malazan Book of the Fallen, #4) by Steven Erikson


message 2: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Get ready for a lot of Karsa Orlong.


message 3: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 24, 2018 05:08AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Also I forgot how long some of these early chapters are.

Prologue

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Chapter 1

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message 4: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 25, 2018 07:46AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 2

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Chapter 3

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message 5: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 26, 2018 05:07AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 4

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Book 2

Chapter 5

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message 6: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 26, 2018 07:35AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 6

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Chapter 7

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message 7: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 27, 2018 05:21AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 8

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Chapter 9

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message 8: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 28, 2018 04:09AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 10

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Chapter 11

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message 9: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 28, 2018 10:55AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Book 3

Chapter 12

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Chapter 13

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message 10: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 29, 2018 05:05AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 14

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Chapter 15

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message 11: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 29, 2018 01:28PM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 16

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Chapter 17

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message 12: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 30, 2018 05:03AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Book 4

Chapter 18

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Chapter 19

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message 13: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jul 01, 2018 07:33AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 20

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Chapter 21

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message 14: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jul 01, 2018 04:02PM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 22

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Chapter 23

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message 15: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jul 02, 2018 04:39AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 24

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Chapter 25

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message 16: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jul 02, 2018 05:46AM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Chapter 26

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Epilogue

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Andorion (ruineleint) In


message 18: by Mayim (new)

Mayim de Vries | 2918 comments In chains already. And waiting.


message 19: by Lundos (new)

Lundos | 392 comments In.


message 20: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan I'll join in on this one.


message 21: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Was Karsa in DHG?


message 22: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Just bought the book on Kindle.


message 23: by Solseit (new)

Solseit | 1460 comments I am joining again! It was where I left my re-read!


message 24: by Veronica (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments I'll be here.


message 25: by Brian (new)

Brian | 1082 comments I’m in. But might be a bit late starting.


message 26: by Rick (new)

Rick Newland | 21 comments I’m sorry. I’ve had to move ahead of the proposed dates. I’ve found that reading other books in between these doesn’t work for me. I forget too much and that can’t happen in this series.


message 27: by jess (new)

jess (nu6586) | 1722 comments I’m so excited! And I just can’t hide it!

Unfortunately for me, I’ve got Lord of Chaos to finish first.


message 28: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Through chapter 2. Much easier reading this portion of the book this time around.


message 29: by Veronica (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments I'm hoping to start later today.


message 30: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Veronica wrote: "I'm hoping to start later today."

Cool. I have the first seven chapters done with notes. I got a really late start so I'm just doing notes on series impacting things for the most part. Luckily the first 4 chapters are all Karsa and they're really long so most of it is just his journey and change.


message 31: by Veronica (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments I'm only on page 52 or so, so not even through all of chapter one, (view spoiler)


message 32: by Mayim (new)

Mayim de Vries | 2918 comments I am starting tonight. As always thank you Scott for the summaries.


message 33: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Mayim wrote: "I am starting tonight. As always thank you Scott for the summaries."

You're welcome.


message 34: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Veronica wrote: "I'm only on page 52 or so, so not even through all of chapter one, but Karsa is one arrogant little snot. Seems like he's the dupe too, not the father he's so ashamed of. I'm rather hoping one of h..."

Karsa learns a lot on his journey. (view spoiler)

From your status update what was ridiculous?


message 35: by Veronica (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments Scott wrote: ".From your status update what was ridiculous?"

The whole Karsa thing. (view spoiler)

Sorry. I'm just having a hard time getting through this long Karsa introduction and it's making me grumpy. Aside from getting some small interesting tidbits about the history of the Teblor, I'm just not interested in Karsa's character. I'm skimming the fight scenes and I've not done that with this series before.


message 36: by Veronica (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments I'm through the end of chapter two, read your summary Scott and yes, FINALLY seeing (view spoiler)


message 37: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan 35% in.

[1] I enjoyed Karsa's story. It was certainly a stylistic departure for SE to write what amounts to a novella at the beginning of this book. I figure Karsa must have a big future to warrant such detailed attention.

[2] So now we know (view spoiler) neatly filling in some backstory there.

[3] I have no idea who the strong guy was who punches Karsa and breaks his ribs, and how he fits in. But I'm suspecting he's (view spoiler)


message 38: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Veronica wrote: "
The whole Karsa thing. [spoilers removed"


I don't pretend the Karsa chapters were easy so I kind of figured that was it. All I can say is he and the reader both need the transformation. There's a social message there and in some of Karsa's future actions and points. I'll also say with near certainty when you reevaluate Karsa down the road your opinion will change again and again. Nothing in this world is simple or as it might seem initially.


message 39: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Graeme wrote: "35% in. "

Yes to all three of your spoilers.


message 40: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Scott wrote: "Veronica wrote: "
The whole Karsa thing. [spoilers removed"

I don't pretend the Karsa chapters were easy so I kind of figured that was it. All I can say is he and the reader both need the transfor..."


That's the great thing about character development, they can progress, re-evaluate their world view, even their values and start making different decisions.

There are some very dramatic shifts in character so far. I mean Tattersails dies and get's reborn, same with Ganoes Paran, in fact it happens a lot.


message 41: by Graeme (last edited Jun 28, 2018 03:33AM) (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Scott wrote: "Graeme wrote: "35% in. "

Yes to all three of your spoilers."


On the third one there were the (view spoiler) I still feel really 'gappy,' around my understanding of that part.


message 42: by Veronica (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments I totally get what you guys are saying about character development but...(view spoiler)


message 43: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
Veronica wrote: "I totally get what you guys are saying about character development but...[spoilers removed]"

I don't think the author or myself are saying it's acceptable. (view spoiler)


message 44: by Veronica (last edited Jun 28, 2018 08:07AM) (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments Scott wrote: "I don't think the author or myself are saying it's acceptable."

Oh I know that! I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was just juxtaposing my stance with that of Karsa and the Teblor culture.

I'm just mad that I've come across a section of Malazan lore where I feel like I'm having to slog through it...although, given the length of these books it's something of a miracle that this hasn't happened before. Because even though Felisin annoyed me to no end, I was still interested in what was happening around her so the pages still flew by. I am hoping, though, that once I'm done with this book things will have developed enough to make these first 263 pages of Karsa shenanigans (in my mmp version) feel like less of a chore on future re-read.

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement for DoD, lol. It's going to be hard to top (view spoiler) I'm scared to see what that could be. I'm glad though that Erikson doesn't romanticize war.


message 45: by Rob (new)

Rob (nefariasbredd) | 1914 comments Ok, who took the book out of the Mid-Hudson Library system!? Only copy is out.

Only one I don't own, so time to buy it anyway :)

The first time I read this book, I found it rather frustrating with the focus on Karsa especially coming off of Memories of Ice and wanting those plot lines to continue. Pretty sure I'll enjoy it more this time and will be the hunt for more long-term hints.


message 46: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
I was the same way Rob.

Veronica, the DoD scenes I'm talking about are for me the most cringeworthy thing I've ever read barnone. Angela and Miche are starting that one soon I'll be interested to see their opinion. Sean who previously read the entire series wasn't as affected by it as I was.


message 47: by Veronica (last edited Jun 28, 2018 11:59AM) (new)

Veronica  (readingonthefly) | 3611 comments Just wanted to pop in and say that I'm somewhere in chapter 3 (lord but these are long chapters!) and Torvald Nom is totally saving this last bit of part one for me. Things are looking up! :-)


message 48: by Angela, I'm Silverfox lost (new)

Angela | 3555 comments Mod
Karsa does grow on the reader. He really goes through a transformation. I felt with this one that yes the long Karsa chapter was a slog. It was also the first time in the series that we were with one character for so long.


message 49: by Scott , Karsa Orlong (last edited Jun 28, 2018 12:40PM) (new)

Scott  Hitchcock (lostinthewarrenofchaos) | 8082 comments Mod
There's no doubt these chapters are endlessly long and a slog. It's the only time in the series we get this approach. The good news Veronica is there is payoff at the end of chapter 4 which ends the Karsa only campaign. After that you get to catch up with some familiars. :)


message 50: by Graeme (last edited Jun 28, 2018 03:27PM) (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Veronica wrote: "I totally get what you guys are saying about character development but...[spoilers removed]"

Completely understandable. In fact, Karsa's development is dramatic over his novella. But what we are seeing on display is fully within Teblor culture and that's "just the way it is for them," they are a savage and violent people who (view spoiler) plus also there are their gods (view spoiler)


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