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James Morcan | 11222 comments If President "Ike" Eisenhower were alive today, would he be warning against a Security Industrial Complex instead of the Military Industrial Complex? Or is the former simply yet another extension of the military juggernaut of the U.S. Empire (not to be confused with America)?

The Emergence of a 'Security Industrial Complex: https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...

William Keller Ph.D. worked as a security analyst for the US Congress for ten years and has held the highest security clearances. In the first half of Thursday's show , he spoke about the creation of the "Security Industrial Complex," an "internal security state-within-the-state" fueled by tech companies, private security firms, and the intelligence community, and how it's intruding on civil liberties to an unprecedented extent. This complex has really expanded post 9-11, he pointed out, and includes lesser known organizations such as the Bureau of Intelligence at the State Dept. and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, as well as commercial companies like Google, Apple, AT&T, and Verizon, who've been very complicit in conducting surveillance on American citizens.

"The sheer size and the magnitude of the surveillance security state is really unprecedented," he continued, noting that some 1.5 million Americans have top security clearances. Given the small number of terrorist attacks in the US since 9-11, he believes the country is overspending and overreacting to such threats, and citizens' privacy and freedom have taken a hit because of it, as security is prioritized over liberty. To preserve our democracy, Keller suggested that the Security Industrial Complex should be ramped down to 2001 levels. "We're a lot smarter than we were (before 9-11)," he remarked, "but we don't need to be organizing large parts of our government around this. We don't need to be engaging in endless foreign wars to track down the last terrorist."


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James Morcan | 11222 comments The Rise of China's Security-Industrial Complex https://www.cfr.org/blog/rise-chinas-...

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James Morcan | 11222 comments The ongoing march of the EU’s security-industrial complex
The reinforcement of pervasive, high-tech security measures has long been the primary consideration for EU security strategists, egged on by private interests. Time for a new direction before it is too late.

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James Morcan | 11222 comments AI-assisted imposters, IoT and crypto-jacking: cyber security in 2019 https://www.computerworld.com.au/arti...
With the cyber security industrial complex in full swing for 2019, Computerworld wonders what horrors this dystopian hell world will spew forth next

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James Morcan | 11222 comments Dunno mate, I guess I'm thinking the Security Industrial Complex (SIC) might be the 21st Century's version of the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) in that Big Tech is somehow allowing the military and various other power structures like Big Pharma, Big Business, Big Mining, Big Banks, corrupt governments, private prisons etc, to all work in unison.

So l just wonder if the SIC might exaggerate or even create "cyber threats" as an excuse to bring in certain legislation to curb our freedom of expression online. A bit like how the MIC created false flag attacks to bring in national security laws and gain more control. Could there be a cyber 9/11 for example, that's the equivalent of a physical false flag attack?

I'm not sure where private security firms fit into all this?

At some point, does someone in power like an Eisenhower have to step up and say the SIC needs to be monitored carefully as it's starting to become a threat to our populations rather than a protective force?

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James Morcan | 11222 comments Iain wrote: "going beyond ethical boundaries, falsifying evidence to retrofit to appease their clients, destroying families and marriages and so on. SIC is an apt acronym"

fully sic(k) (sic)

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James Morcan | 11222 comments The Rise of China's Security-Industrial Complex https://www.cfr.org/blog/rise-chinas-...
Echoing former U.S. President Eisenhower's concerns, a new security-industrial complex is emerging in China. Unlike Eisenhower, however, China's leaders are embracing the security companies, who see them as critical to regime survival.

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James Morcan | 11222 comments Iain wrote: "Sharing is caring. Didn't you get the memo? ..."

Yes! I got it...from your favourite movie.

Anyway, butt out of this...this is between me and Emma...


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Lance Morcan | 2797 comments The Omnipresent Surveillance State: Orwell’s 1984 Is No Longer Fiction https://www.globalresearch.ca/omnipre...

You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.”—George Orwell, 1984

Tread cautiously: the fiction of George Orwell has become an operation manual for the omnipresent, modern-day surveillance state.

It’s been 70 years since Orwell—dying, beset by fever and bloody coughing fits, and driven to warn against the rise of a society in which rampant abuse of power and mass manipulation are the norm—depicted the ominous rise of ubiquitous technology, fascism and totalitarianism in 1984.

Who could have predicted that 70 years after Orwell typed the final words to his dystopian novel, “He loved Big Brother,” we would fail to heed his warning and come to love Big Brother.

“To the future or to the past, to a time when thought is free, when men are different from one another and do not live alone— to a time when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone: From the age of uniformity, from the age of solitude, from the age of Big Brother, from the age of doublethink — greetings!”—George Orwell

1984 portrays a global society of total control in which people are not allowed to have thoughts that in any way disagree with the corporate state. There is no personal freedom, and advanced technology has become the driving force behind a surveillance-driven society. Snitches and cameras are everywhere. People are subject to the Thought Police, who deal with anyone guilty of thought crimes. The government, or “Party,” is headed by Big Brother who appears on posters everywhere with the words: “Big Brother is watching you.”

We have arrived, way ahead of schedule, into the dystopian future dreamed up by not only Orwell but also such fiction writers as Aldous Huxley, Margaret Atwood and Philip K. Dick.

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”―George Orwell

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James Morcan | 11222 comments Is a cyber 9/11 now possible? And would this be a devious way of justifying the expansion of the Security Industrial Complex?

The Cyberpandemic has Begun: SolarWinds + FireEye - Anything can happen now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe3y-...

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