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message 1: by Nicole D. (new)

Nicole D. | 1490 comments By default this will be political and I'm very left leaning, so if that bothers you please skip

I think I was looking for some solace in this book. I didn't find it.
I relate to Clinton - I can be gruff, aggressive and come off bitchy, but inside I'm a bleeding heart liberal. It is hard to reconcile the two and a lot of people don't like me. Something I have to deal with, as does Clinton on a much larger scale. She's just not that endearing. When you hear her speak, she doesn't give you that warmth you want to be able to feel inspired by her and loyal to her. At least that's my take.

I didn't need the warmth, however, to vote for her and sincerely want her to be president. She should be, and not a day goes by that I don't wish she was.

This book was defensive - how could it not be? And it did sound like she was really trying to justify "what happened." I was hoping to get some understanding, but Clinton is as baffled as everybody else. Trump's propaganda machine worked well enough to win the electoral.

There were some good insights and some satisfying digs at Trump. In the end, I was left a bit flat.

She asked a question at the end of the book:

"Why is the burden of opening our hearts only on half the country?"

And it's such an interesting question, because so many Trump supporters (in my family for example) are hardcore conservative Christians, and I cannot reconcile their support of Trump with their supposed beliefs. My family voted for Trump because of a 2011 prophecy:

The following is Taylor's original prophecy from 2011:

The Spirit of God says, I have chosen this man, Donald Trump, for such a time as this. For as Benjamin Netanyahu is to Israel, so shall this man be to the United States of America! For I will use this man to bring honor, respect and restoration to America. America will be respected once again as the most powerful and prosperous nation on Earth, (other than Israel). The dollar will be the strongest it has ever been in the history of the United States, and will once again be the currency by which all others are judged. (the whole thing can be googled.)

I guess the left and right have different versions of opening their hearts. I remain baffled.

message 2: by Nicole R (new)

Nicole R (drnicoler) | 7782 comments While I am interested in reading this book, I need more time to heal before reopening those wounds. I am still upset on a daily basis about the election, and may need to wait until our next Democratic president has us back on track to dive into an analysis—even a one-sided one from HRC—of what happened.

message 3: by Amy (new)

Amy | 8853 comments I think all of us are trying to still figure out what happened. Honestly, I never thought it had much to do with Comey and the emails. I felt that there were truly no undecideds, and that we were speaking to a serious divide in our country. One that I only think gets healed by a centrist who can speak towards unification. We were all so confident - those of us who were talking about the death of civility, the death of social discourse, values. There has never been a time before, that an administration has brought on such mockery and vitriol. We all assumed Hillary would prevail.

At the same time, my parents too voted for Trump. Not because they liked the guy, but because they hated Hillary and Obama and wanted change. I think my parents thought Trump would be better suited to fight terror, tighten security, and would be stronger for Israel. They have been democrats for most of their lives, and it's only been recently that they have developed a republican sensibility. They are pro gay, pro choice, po environment, pro school's, pro women's rights, and pro science and climate change. Trying to reconcile that divide with two people I respect so deeply, has been difficult, and often hard to defend. Despite the daily devastating and horrifying things that come out every day, we have actually managed not to speak about it since before the election. I like to think that recent events have finally changed my parents minds, but there is a possibility that is not the case. I think part of the problem with is the spin of the news. The same story is spun so differently on FOXNews, then it is on CNN. So I don't even know that they're playing with the same information. They have never liked him personally, but felt I fronted at the idea of Hillary being president. Where is our universe is completely reversed. It's painful for me, that our views are so different. And it's hard since I don't even really know where their stance is now. My mother happens to hate to be wrong, and if she has reversed her position as I suspect she might have, she will now say that she never liked the guy and had her concerns from the absolute beginning. My biggest question has to do with this phenomena. Well, I actually have many huge questions. But one of them is, have the people who voted for Trump regret their decision? For various reasons or various Choice points. The approval numbers continue to go down, so I'm wondering. Of course there are always going to be staunch supporters. But are there people out there who are regretting their decision? Other huge questions I have, has to do with why we are talking about revamping electoral college, rather than doing away with it. I do get my fathers argument, about how the middle states would have no voice, and that a candidate would only have to campaign and four to six states. But I have still believed in this idea that we should be one person one vote. And that we are now equipped technologically to be able to manage that. It solves so many problems, if we can vote from our homes. I also wonder about state ballot questions. In this last election, I was offered the opportunity to vote whether there should be more than charter schools, whether or not to legalize marijuana, whether or not to take good care of farm animals, and whether or not some schmuck could own a casino (no, no, yes, yes). So what I want to know, is if we could truly been one person one vote, why wouldn't there be a national referendum on women's rights and pro-choice? I may not even like the answer. But I think it would be important to know how do you has this country actually feel about that question. Rather than leaving it for nine old men, or eight of men and one old women to decide for me. I think the justices should know where our country's moral conscience is at. I also think that a president would like to know how the country might feel on certain issues of the day. Just to be informed. I'm not saying to get rid of states rights were senators, but we now have the technology to truly have our voices be heard in a way that is measurable. So I guess I'm a little like my parents, in thinking the whole system has to change. Because as evidenced in this last election and recent events, we are not set up to have voice, we are not set up to be able to win for humanity's sake or unity's sake, and our mockery and lack of civility deteriorates to new levels every day. These are just my thoughts. But about what happened, I think it's more important to figure out how do we come together and try to raise ourselves and our country. Forget what happened, although I do feel for Hillary, and I'm sure what she has to say is somewhat interesting. I think we have to figure out how to move forward. Thanks for listening.

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Booknblues | 6191 comments I don't usually talk about politics here, but I'm sure many have blocked me on facebook because I do there and I use it to express my continual rage.

I wore white to work on election day expecting a victory. The day after , I wore black. I was in mourning.

I like Hillary, I think she is smart resourceful and makes every attempt to dot her i's. She doesn't come across warm, but I've read things that makes me think that she is a really caring person that doesn't broadcast it. She is also deeply religious, which Trump is not and nobody can convince me that he is.

He isn't doing his best for the country he is doing his worst.

I have a cousin who is half Puerto Rican and she is deeply worried about her family there which she can not get a hold of. It is a mess there it is not going well.

I have to stop and like Nicole and Amy much of my family on both my side and my husband's voted Trump. I will not talk to them about it as I am just too angry. How can anyone possibly see anything good in this man? I just don't know.

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Booknblues | 6191 comments Nicole D. wrote: "By default this will be political and I'm very left leaning, so if that bothers you please skip

I think I was looking for some solace in this book. I didn't find it.
I relate to Clinton - I can ..."

I do want to read this book. I read The Secretary: A Journey with Hillary Clinton from Beirut to the Heart of American Power and was deeply impressed by Clinton.

message 6: by Tracy (new)

Tracy (tstan) | 1207 comments It's still too fresh.
And I'm still hurt and confused by friends and family that voted for that orange creature from the sewers of NYC. For many of them it was about those emails. That were probably all ads from Macy's.

message 7: by Booknblues (new)

Booknblues | 6191 comments Tracy wrote: " That were probably all ads from Macy's. "

We all feel the need to keep those.

message 8: by Nicole D. (new)

Nicole D. | 1490 comments Amy (all) writing from phone and don’t want have a bigger political convo anyway. I think we all “feel” each other here. Grappling. I can answer one of Amy’s questions - my family has no regrets. They are full on TrumpTrain. It’s a bitter bitter pill

message 9: by Susie (new)

Susie | 4488 comments Nicole, that must be so hard. From over here in Australia I feel very emotional about what happened too. I followed the election closely and thought the idea of Trump winning the nomination preposterous, let alone what followed. I like that quote above, about only half of the population's hearts being open. I constantly despair about how anyone could believe that he is the right person for such an important job.

In Australia our left political party is Labor and our right is Liberal. I'm constantly confused as your liberals are your left!! My parents vote right and I certainly do not. In a previous election they voted for the Liberals (we vote for a party, not its leader) when the leader was a conservative man who was against so much of what I believe in. I had such a hard time accepting my parents' choice and had many arguments with them where I just couldn't back down. It caused a rift between us for a time. Nicole, I sense that you and I are alike in many ways!

message 10: by Jen (new)

Jen | 1545 comments You and I are very similar politically. I can't bring myself to read this book yet. I'm fortunate enough not to have family who voted for him because that would have been heartbreaking. The majority of my family lives in (or is from) Costa Rica. They think the country has gone crazy.

I can understand people disagreeing with her policies or political stance on issues but I was so disappointed by the level of vitriol directed toward her that seemed unrelated to any policy but more a function of her gender or "personality" (a.k.a her gender).

message 11: by Book Concierge (new)

Book Concierge (tessabookconcierge) | 6004 comments I'm glad that you read it and am glad to read your review, Nicole D. I won't be reading it, because I'm not sure it will answer any of my questions about Clinton or about the campaign/election.

My husband and I consider ourselves Republicans, but we cannot reconcile our beliefs with what the far right is doing to "our party." We voted for Obama, and we voted for Hilary.

Yet ... as soon as the conventions were over, I predicted to my husband: "Just you watch. A day before the election there will be some release of information regarding her emails that she will not have time to react to, and she won't win."

We were appalled on election night. My husband was depressed for several days and commented "I feel like a man without a country." He had just about gotten over it when the inauguration came and he was thrown into depression again.

Now, reading your review and the quote on the prediction .... I'm just speechless. I just do not understand how educated, seemingly rational people can believe such claptrap.

I don't "like" Hillary. But I recognize her qualifications and think she would have made a good President. Still, I'm angry at the Democratic Party for not being able to come up with better candidates. I'm angry at the Republicans for scattering opposition support among 14 or 15 other candidates, leaving the path open for this ignorant, blow-hard, egomaniac, and pathological liar who cannot even put together a complex sentence!

Mostly I don't talk about this ... it's just too upsetting.

message 12: by Book Concierge (new)

Book Concierge (tessabookconcierge) | 6004 comments I should say ... while we consider ourselves Republicans, we are both pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro women's rights, pro education, etc.

message 13: by Amy (new)

Amy | 8853 comments I think I was trying to make a similar point, that there are the staunch Pro Trump republicans, but there are also highly educated moralistic people out there who are not necessarily liberal, but are also grappling with some of the complicated issues that we have today. There are many Republicans, who are pro-choice, pro gay, pro education, pro environment. I fear that we (certainly not me) have gotten so divided, that we think of the Republicans as uneducated rednecks, that are entirely racist, or are religious, wealthy, or missing teeth. It's so much more complicated than that, and I have greatly admired Mitt Romney, John McCain, The Bush family, and others for standing up for their personal believes as well as for our country. I do feel that there are Democrats, there are Republicans, and then there's job. Which we all know is a whole different category. Living here in Massachusetts, outside Boston, it feels sometimes like I not only have to defend who my parents are his people, but that there are actually some inherently not so terrible ideas that come from the other side. Which is hard to do, in the face of a man who is very severely mentally ill, putting the low class issues aside, running our country, and being an international and domestic embarrassment. I fear that we have really lost sight of the unity question, and at looking at issues in a way that can be dealt with thoughtfully. I also don't have a clear vision of how we heal this in a post Trump era, and that scares me. I rather liked Hillary a lot, and of course like virtually everyone else would've chosen a monkey over our current situation. I remain baffled about how this actually happened. And even more baffled about what to do about it. What if I go out on a limb here, I would say that the extreme left Democrats are not helping. I had an interesting experience of that at the women's march. Of feeling like I could completely understand why we lost in that moment, Which was also in other ways and very incredible and deeply moving day. My brother-in-law in San Francisco, keeps talking about Bernie Sanders, and I really do feel that that's not the answer. And continuing to have extremist both sides roll each other's policies back, it's certainly not the answer. I am looking for a leader who can raise us. Raise the conversation back, raise the civility and decorum back, raise the humanity and the unity back, and bring us back to a higher ideal. In the meantime, I've been talking a lot with folks about how we talk to her children about this. How we raise them to make their own decisions, and understand why the other side of any debate usually have some points of merit. And to be able to be future leaders who respect and earn respect. Anyway, those are my thoughts this early morning. I think we have to start respecting the folks at both sides of the issue that have earned it. I so hope my phone has a mangled my words and my intentions, which is so often the case. Everyone have a good day. My heart goes out to Las Vegas this morning.

message 14: by Joi (last edited Oct 02, 2017 12:03PM) (new)

Joi (missjoious) | 3822 comments I've added this to my TBR list, but like Nicole R said- I can't read it now. Coming from a very liberal background, and city- I was honestly SHOCKED when the presidential outcome was announced. I hope writing this book gave Hillary some closure on the situation for herself, but this book is not going to bring any "closure" to what is currently happening. This is daily life now that we are dealing with. I feel embarrassed for our country.

I think we can all say as readers we want to be educated in whatever we believe, think, and follow. I honestly don't believe this country can come together with the current president- but hopefully mindfulness, willingness to accept others, and people becoming more educated on the subjects they're speaking about can help unify us for the future.

Also- I totally think this fits the 'society' tag!

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