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message 1: by Emy (new)

Emy (EmyPT) | 4458 comments On the surface, magazines are simply NO, but this is about the specific type of magazine which is, in effect, a serialised production of short stories. Examples which are on Goodreads currently would include individual issues of Clarkeworld, Asimov's, and so on.

There are a number of online-only and subscription-only short story magazines around. At present we seem to neither allow the stories as stand-alones (e.g. Anthony's Vampire will probably need deletion), but we also don't seem to add the Magazines as they're electronic only.

Some are released as "Books" on Amazon, so we end up with records for them. This gives a destination for merging the shorts, all good.

The question I have, is whether it would be acceptable to add these kinds of Magazine issues as they exist more as serial anthologies than traditional magazines.

Example for the above short-story book record, would be having a record for this instead covering all the stories/authors contained.

Secondary to this, would we differentiate between subscription serials which don't make their contents available for free later, and ones like the above?

My main impetus on this is that I dislike removing all trace of short stories which are published and freely available BUT only exist as part of a whole. Physical ones seem to be acceptable for Goodreads, but I would appreciate some clarification about online issues.

Options as I see it:

1. Neither the stories nor the Issues are valid for Goodreads - loss of reading data, especially for authors who specialise in short-form work.
2. Issues are valid IF freely available. Short stories should be merged into the relevant issue. Short stories from subs issues would be deleted completely as not publicly available.
3. All issues of this type are valid, including those which are subscription-based. Merge shorts into the issue.

message 2: by David (last edited Jul 04, 2017 08:47AM) (new)

David H. (farrakut) | 25 comments Your 3rd option is the policy that seems closest to what is being implemented now, as seen from a search history of this group and official comments from rivka.

If you're wondering about why magazine issues (electronic or otherwise) aren't consistently imported into Goodreads, the reason is that Amazon treats magazine subscriptions differently. No magazine is likely to have an ISBN, but an 8-digit ISSN (with the new S standing for Serial). There's no agreed upon way to identify individual issues of a magazine. The ASIN for a magazine subscription usually applies to the entire magazine, not an individual issue. (This proved a common issue as whatever algorithm Goodreads was using to import from Amazon would make errors by importing the latest cover of an Asimov's SF issue and applying it to a random Asimov's SF issue with an ASIN for the whole magazine--very time consuming to fix.)

Therefore, most magazine runs need a human to import them. I've been concentrating on a few magazine runs myself lately, with some side projects.

So that should explain why magazine issues aren't listed consistently across the site.

You listed an example of "Anthony's Vampire" by Seanan McGuire, which had been published in Nightmare Magazine. The reason why it had its own entry despite not being published on its own? It's a combination of 1) no one is making a project of importing Nightmare Magazine issues, and 2) Seanan McGuire is incredibly popular so it's likely a McGuire-fan created the entry for "Anthony's Vampire" because they were reading it (assuming they even read the rest of the magazine issue).

That's INCREDIBLY common for short stories on Goodreads unfortunately, where the original publication is ignored in favor of only the most popular stories or authors.

What should happen in this case? The Nightmare Magazine issue should be created, and "Anthony's Vampire" merged with that issue.

Your points about subscription/free magazines don't really make any sense to me. You had it right when you compared these magazines to "serial anthologies"--that's exactly what they are. If a story was only available in a real anthology, we'd either delete it or merge it with the anthology, whether or not it was available online. Same with a literary magazine like Nightmare Magazine, or Clarkesworld Magazine, or Asimov's SF.

message 3: by Emy (new)

Emy (EmyPT) | 4458 comments Thanks for your thoughts David.

message 4: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 32149 comments Mod
David wrote: "Your 3rd option is the policy that seems closest to what is being implemented now, as seen from a search history of this group and official comments from rivka."

Can you please link to some of my comments that you believe support this?

message 5: by David (last edited Jul 04, 2017 12:22PM) (new)

David H. (farrakut) | 25 comments Rivka, I had seen your comment here from March 2015:

In that thread, you told the commenter to merge the short stories into the relevant issue of Clarkesworld Magazine.

In October 2015, you replied to me in this thread: where you suggested that I merge a short story into the anthology it had come from.

Thus, of Emy's options she listed: "3. All issues of this type are valid, including those which are subscription-based. Merge shorts into the issue."

I took this "option" to mean that all issues of fiction magazines can be added to Goodreads (whether free online or paid subscription, a distinction I don't believe should exist on Goodreads), and if any short stories are listed for magazine stories that only exist in that magazine or anthology, they (and any reviews) should be merged with the relevant issue.

If I misunderstood you a couple years ago, that's fine, I'm happy to have any clarification. I know that the Librarian Manual says to delete all short stories that aren't published alone, which I also see from you in other threads (such as this giant one, your relevant comment at #24: Throughout the thread you mention merging stories with their anthologies. The same thread has Emy in comment #60 summarizing her understanding at the time (in March 2013).

Am I missing something, Rivka? You obviously think I'm completely wrong... The only other thing I can think of is that there's been an unspoken "merge and delete "?

message 6: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 32149 comments Mod
The issue of Clarkesworld in question is a Kindle edition. And an anthology -- which is usually quite clearly a book -- is a very different question than the one Emy is raising. While I think a discussion is fine, until now the policy has certainly not been that 3rd one.

message 7: by David (new)

David H. (farrakut) | 25 comments Well, it turns out that the issue of Nightmare Magazine that "Anthony's Vampire" is from Issue 46, which has a specific Kindle edition and a Goodreads page here: (It doesn't seem as though anyone has organized the issues of Nightmare Magazine into a series yet.)

Many of these scifi/fantasy/horror short story magazines have Kindle subscriptions and often have a Kindle edition. But others are simply for sale on their publisher's website as epub/mobi/PDF ebooks. I'm not sure offhand of any online magazine that publishes stories for free that also don't have a purchase-issue button for an epub/mobi/PDF/Kindle/whatever version. (Maybe Emy knows of some? was the closest I recall before they got better about having their free stories on Amazon for $0.99)

And we can put ebooks on Goodreads even if they weren't sold on Amazon, right?

This is part of my confusion in this thread... all of the issues of magazines we've been talking about can be bought individually and often have ebook (and oftentimes Kindle) formats that can be bought, so I'm still struggling to see what's wrong with the merge-short-stories-into-original-publication option if that's what we're supposed to do with traditional book anthologies and Clarkesworld Magazine issues?

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